Sarri But Not Sarri Thread

[Superblue 6,372]

1 minute ago, Tomo said:

Defensively and positionally he is non existant (Alonso's poor but he's Bosingwa level), the one thing he has over him is pace .Put it this way, in their minimul games in the EL/LC i think Zappa and Cabellero have performed better than him but yet we don't see any false positive reviews about them because most are happy with who's ahead of them.

Don't mistake this for me being happy with Alonso, i was cursing his every movement tonight and i want LB as our first port of call this summer market, but if Emerson gets the run of games people want him to have, i personally believe he will surprise for all the wrong reasons.

Whilst that may well be true, I think fans would rather see Emerson have that run of games to prove that theory, as opposed to the odd game and back to Alonso. It's difficult to guage him properly when he's never had a proper run in the team. If he does prove to be worse than Alonso, I cannot see it being by much.

[Superblue 6,372]

1 minute ago, Tomo said:

Mourinho's (first) departure would have trumped both had we had a home game immediately after.

I'm pretty sure Roman went in with the fans in the stands for a game after Mourinho was sacked just to try and appease them.

[MoroccanBlue 5,320]

45 minutes ago, Clockwork said:

So you are saying no one, Sarri only camp?

No. I am saying the deeper issue are the players. You can bring any manager here, but if we still have the current crop, the same issues will arise. 

We used to go deep in the Champions League every season. There is a reason we are doing incredibly poor and that stems from our players.

I'd like Sarri to get a chance, but if you can guarantee me that if we sack Sarri, the likes of Alonso, Willian, Pedro, Zappacosta, Drinkwater, etc will all fuck off. I'll press that button right now. 

 

[Tomo 21,733]

Just now, Superblue_1986 said:

I'm pretty sure Roman went in with the fans in the stands for a game after Mourinho was sacked just to try and appease them.

Did he? I'd be very surprised if it's true and all his advisors would have strongly recommended against it. At that time Mourinho was like god here and 99% of fans were effectively grieving his departure. 

[Superblue 6,372]

Just now, Tomo said:

Did he? I'd be very surprised if it's true and all his advisors would have strongly recommended against it. At that time Mourinho was like god here and 99% of fans were effectively grieving his departure. 

May not have been to watch a full game but I'm sure it was something like that. I could be completely wrong though, it feels like a lifetime ago supporting this club!

[kobematabryant 400]

Where are all those Sarri fanboys gone, who have been defending this cunt for past few weeks?

[MoroccanBlue 5,320]

1 minute ago, kobematabryant said:

Where are all those Sarri fanboys gone, who have been defending this cunt for past few weeks?

Still here and still stating the issues are more than Sarri. From the owner, to the board, to the manager, to the players. 

[Clockwork 1,794]

4 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Defensively and positionally he is non existant (Alonso's poor but he's Bosingwa level), the one thing he has over him is pace .Put it this way, in their minimul games in the EL/LC i think Zappa and Cabellero have performed better than him but yet we don't see any false positive reviews about them because most are happy with who's ahead of them.

Don't mistake this for me being happy with Alonso, i was cursing his every movement tonight and i want LB as our first port of call this summer market, but if Emerson gets the run of games people want him to have, i personally believe he will surprise for all the wrong reasons.

Come on Tomo, for one Alonso is statically one of the worst crosser in Europe, and you are telling me you are not giving the advantage to Emerson here? Pace is very important though, especially in the PL. It gives Emerson the ability to overlap, quicker feet allows to play in tight space, and beat a player 1 one 1. Pace also allows to return to defense quicker.

Alonso is a huge liability game in and game out, in fact him constantly underlapping into the box makes it  more congesting for Hazard and makes it easier to defend him.

But don't you think at this point it has reached beyond the point of making a change for the sake of change? Even if you are not convinced by Emerson it really has reached the point where the status quo is abysmal and you have try the alternative. 

You simply can't play the same players game after game, embarrassing efforts after another. 

I get why Alonso is playing though, i think at this point he is playing because Sarri has invested a lot of time on him. And he feels with his back against the wall, he is going to go with the players he has invested in, hoping they make the breakthrough. 

[kc_blue 265]

1 minute ago, kobematabryant said:

Where are all those Sarri fanboys gone, who have been defending this cunt for past few weeks?

I wouldn't call myself a Sarri fanboy unless I guess I was a Conte fanboy and Mourinho fanboy etc. etc. but I have tried to defend him and give him time.  It's getting impossible to do so.  I can see not changing his tactics, they are what got him the job and might even be what the board is wanting the club to move towards, but his line ups and subs show either a lack of understanding of what's going wrong or just an unwillingness to fix it. 

I liked to watch his Napoli but we most definitely aren't playing like that.  I would have liked to see him get a shot with a full preseason and some more players that play his style, but that's not going to happen and I think he's only got himself to blame for that.  

I don't want to join in the pile on that's going on here, but I don't see much choice besides moving on to someone else.

[Irakozium257 350]

All this sentimental deluded BS about giving him time because we can't keep sacking managers bla bla bla. He's a freakin' leech sucking the life out of the club. A fraud. A useless, lifeless, clueless fraud. It was a joy to watch the fans at the stadium suddenly have that collective epiphany about this leech.

Most fans would have been understanding and patient despite the results if he was showing humble willingness at tweaking stuff that wasn't working and yet he keeps showing this stubbornness that, honestly speaking, is sickening. This has been going on for ages. Thank heavens he finally lost the match-going fans. 

[Blue Armour 4,317]

 

[robsblubot 3,539]

1 hour ago, Clockwork said:

Come on Tomo, for one Alonso is statically one of the worst crosser in Europe, and you are telling me you are not giving the advantage to Emerson here? Pace is very important though, especially in the PL. It gives Emerson the ability to overlap, quicker feet allows to play in tight space, and beat a player 1 one 1. Pace also allows to return to defense quicker.

Alonso is a huge liability game in and game out, in fact him constantly underlapping into the box makes it  more congesting for Hazard and makes it easier to defend him.

But don't you think at this point it has reached beyond the point of making a change for the sake of change? Even if you are not convinced by Emerson it really has reached the point where the status quo is abysmal and you have try the alternative. 

You simply can't play the same players game after game, embarrassing efforts after another. 

I get why Alonso is playing though, i think at this point he is playing because Sarri has invested a lot of time on him. And he feels with his back against the wall, he is going to go with the players he has invested in, hoping they make the breakthrough. 

Heh every time I read that I cringe to myself.  It's akin to saying that Hazard is a liability defensively and therefore should be dropped and sold.

Or that Azpi is a liability in attack and therefore needs to be dropped or sold.

Players have different characteristics and roles and the system should support them in those roles. If Alonso is not adding enough given his attacking role, sure, let's get someone better... who does not seem to be Emerson. The liability word is a bit overused here tbh... all players appear a liability when exposed even an excellent defender like Azpi.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

I still dont get that Zappacosta sub. What was he trying to do? Protect the goal differential?

 

Massively disrespectful to the captain, the players, and the fans. 

 

He needs to go.

[Fernando 6,488]

Looking at the first page shows that many people where right on with the board in hiring Sarri. 

And at the end here we are. I guess to have a similar problem to Mourinho, Conte and just regressing even worse shows that the players are going down in quality. And the back up are even worse 

We have regress badly as a club. 

[kc_blue 265]

1 hour ago, Fernando said:

We have regress badly as a club. 

It starts from the top.  It's been happening for years now and it's finally built to a point that it's hard to argue against.  The league wins with Mourinho and Conte just put a gloss on things and made it easier to dismiss people bringing up issues with player recruitment and other board issues.  Now it's there big and bold and ugly in our faces, our squad just isn't up to par with our ambitions and/or expectations.  Managers have come and gone but the issues remain.  

[NikkiCFC 8,060]

4 hours ago, Nicco said:

Even Solari will come a round or 2 short of winning the CL this season, any fucking average manager could do it or come close. The difference is this guy had some incredible luck. To no ones surprise he struggled in La Liga.

I also think that Pep and Zidane would have zero CL's combine if VAR existed 10 years ago.

[Clockwork 1,794]

If you are going to sack him then you have to do it now. If you believe in him and his vision that is one thing. But at this point you know what you have with Sarri as far as what he has with the players at his disposal. He is not going to change, if a 6-0 defeat doesn't change him than nothing will. He will in fact be more stubborn, he thinks the players he has invested the most in give him the best chance at results. He is not going to play  CHO for example, because he is a novice at his system for him it is not worth the risk. 

The worst decision would be to sack him down the line, while you could have salvaged as many games as possible. 

[Tomo 21,733]

15 minutes ago, kc_blue said:

It starts from the top.  It's been happening for years now and it's finally built to a point that it's hard to argue against.  The league wins with Mourinho and Conte just put a gloss on things and made it easier to dismiss people bringing up issues with player recruitment and other board issues.  Now it's there big and bold and ugly in our faces, our squad just isn't up to par with our ambitions and/or expectations.  Managers have come and gone but the issues remain.  

The confusing thing is at every other level we are practically flawless, we dominate youth level and the women's game in a way that makes the Greek league look competitive so why can't we translate that to the mens first team? 

Those teams are all managed by through and through Chelsea people, so maybe the next move is to try similar at first team level? Be it Lamps or the traditional boot room.