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1 minute ago, Tomo said:

If we want proper competition at left back then we have to get rid of both and sign two new players as neither do or ever will cut it playing regularly.

That'll likely be the case but I doubt we'll sign 2 new LBs at the same time. We'll likely sign one next summer and then another one in 2021. But between the two to choose as back-up, I'll take Emerson. Younger than Alonso, which means he potentially has room to get better (we don't need a snail in the team!) and is on lower wages than Alonso (I think). 

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He hasn't even kicked a ball yet for us and you guys are moaning.  Just remember who we currently have at RB. Moving Azpi over there alone would be a huge upgrade and if Alonso can become a consis

Hell of a struggle for him yesterday and he was clearly being targeted. An upgrade is a must and I think Conte knows by now. That's not to say Alonso won't be a useful squad player for a few year

The scenes on here when he starts alongside Ivanovic.  

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22 hours ago, Tomo said:

Even in a back four he can still be useful against the fodder who barely bother to attack, he was good against Brighton and the difference against Newcastle.

However he shouldn't be playing (in a four) against top teams agreed.

I agree with you, his also our most clinical player, and that Emerson chance against Bournemouth would have been buried if it was him, at this point in time I would rather have Alonso at the back than Azpi playing LB, it totally kills us when we have a right footed full back. 

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1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

 

It is amazing how biased people can be, For instance, in our match against spurs, Alonso was clearly one of our best players and still there were people in the forum posting how bad he is. I don't mind the bashing since the guy pisses me off more often than not, but when he is playing good, the least you can do is acknowledge it instead of moaning for no reason.

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6 minutes ago, BlueSunshine said:

It is amazing how biased people can be, For instance, in our match against spurs, Alonso was clearly one of our best players and still there were people in the forum posting how bad he is. I don't mind the bashing since the guy pisses me off more often than not, but when he is playing good, the least you can do is acknowledge it instead of moaning for no reason.

I agree. On Whoscored after Willian 9.2 Alonso was our best rated player with 7.8.

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On 12/23/2019 at 3:52 AM, Jason said:

But if the first choice gets injured and Alonso suddenly becomes temporary first choice...? Between Alonso and Emerson, I'd rather keep the latter. Has more years left in him than Alonso. Besides, we need competition and Alonso isn't going to provide it.

I kinda agree that for backup Emerson is the better choice. Not because of he will provide competition but because he is just ok at everything hence it is easier to use him as backup. 

But if our new lb is not a nailed down starter material, I much rather have Alonso. With Alonso you need to compensate but at least with Alonso you get contribution offensively. Now that Emerson has played regularly, I can safely say that it is not even close. 

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31 minutes ago, communicate said:

I kinda agree that for backup Emerson is the better choice. Not because of he will provide competition but because he is just ok at everything hence it is easier to use him as backup. 

But if our new lb is not a nailed down starter material, I much rather have Alonso. With Alonso you need to compensate but at least with Alonso you get contribution offensively. Now that Emerson has played regularly, I can safely say that it is not even close. 

Really? Think it is well established by now that Alonso is useless in a back 4 and if we want to get more out of him, we basically need to switch to a back 3/5. Otherwise, we would basically be playing with fire in hoping the "good" Alonso turns up. It's amusing some people bash Azpi for his poor offensive play and yet are somehow okay with Alonso who is so SLOW and immobile for a modern full back. Stats don't obviously tell the whole story but here's a comparison between Alonso and Emerson (and Chilwell for good measure).

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Also, Alonso turns 29 on Dec 28 and is on big wages. If we can get it off the books to open space for others, then all the better. 

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1 minute ago, Jason said:

Really? Think it is well established by now that Alonso is useless in a back 4 and if we want to get more out of him, we basically need to switch to a back 3/5. Otherwise, we would basically be playing with fire in hoping the "good" Alonso turns up. It's amusing some people bash Azpi for his poor offensive play and yet are somehow okay with Alonso who is so SLOW and immobile for a modern full back. Stats don't obviously tell the whole story but here's a comparison between Alonso and Emerson (and Chilwell for good measure).

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Also, Alonso turns 29 on Dec 28 and is on big wages. If we can get it off the books to open space for others, then all the better. 

You don't have to play back 5,if you play a good defensive winger as lw and have a very good defensive right back. So Alonso can play almost like a wb. That what I mean by compensate. Or if you play opp that have very little threat from their rw.

With Emerson you don't need to compensate but he offer very little in both. 

Your Stat is pretty much on team Alonso. He has same goal and assist as Chilwell with half of his minute. I don't even need to look at stat to compare Alonso vs Emerson. It is pretty clear this season. 

 

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17 minutes ago, communicate said:

You don't have to play back 5,if you play a good defensive winger as lw and have a very good defensive right back. So Alonso can play almost like a wb. That what I mean by compensate. Or if you play opp that have very little threat from their rw.

But it is stupid to handicap yourself for someone who is inconsistent and prone to making defensive errors. We want to be right up with the very best - Liverpool, Man City etc - and yet want to compensate for average players. :doh: 

17 minutes ago, communicate said:

With Emerson you don't need to compensate but he offer very little in both. 

Your Stat is pretty much on team Alonso. He has same goal and assist as Chilwell with half of his minute. I don't even need to look at stat to compare Alonso vs Emerson. It is pretty clear this season. 

The fact that you only focus on the Alonso's goals and assists says it all, because those are the only stats favor him way more often than not. Other stats show Emerson matches or betters Alonso's contribution.

What is pretty clear this season that Alonso is rubbish in a back 4 (always is), can't be trusted defensively, and got binned for like 8 straight games prior to last weekend. 

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42 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

ffs

we were asking 30m euros, then 35m euros

now 40!

more Marina bullshit

she fucked us over doing the SAME thing to Real in 2018 when we could have gotten 45m QUID, and then she raised it to 50m, and then 55m!!!!!

he is 29yo in 4 days

ffs

take 33m euros and buy Telles!!!!!!!

hell take 30m if that is what it takes to do it

we are going to fuck about

lose out on Chilwell in the summer

not do shit now or in summer about Telles

and be stuck with the same two we have now, and basically get SHIT if/when we finally do sell Alonso

or he walks on a free after being here three and a half more (SHOOT ME NOW!) years :rant:

 

 

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