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For the money better then torres and morata combine!  It is good that for once we have a manager that trust youth. Something I been wanting for ages. I think since Carlo was here but we always we

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Think he has one of the best goal to game ratios in the league, excluding penalties, since the start of last season. 

Think we could realistically get a combined 60-70 million from Tammy and Tomori sales. 

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8 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Funny how Timo Werner PR is so harsh on other strikers¬†ūüėĚ

I just do what you always like to do - breaking down the numbers, anti Mason Mount PR. 

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Abraham level is Crystal Palace not Chelsea or any top four team might be good enough for Spurs dough ha ha.

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Thomas Tuchel admits Tammy Abraham is "struggling" with his "hard decision"

Tammy Abraham was left out of Chelsea's 18-man matchday squad against Man Utd but Thomas Tuchel insists he has to make tough selection calls

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/Chelsea-thomas-tuchel-tammy-abraham-23582313

Thomas Tuchel insists it is his job to make "hard decisions" after opting to leave Tammy Abraham out of Chelsea's matchday squad.

The young striker was not even on the bench for their clash with Manchester United.

Olivier Giroud started at Stamford Bridge with Timo Werner coming off the bench in the second-half.

Tuchel opts to play with one centre-forward in his preferred system meaning competition for places is intense.

Abraham was a favourite under former Blues boss Frank Lampard.

This season he has scored six league goals - more than Werner and Giroud.

Tuchel admits the 23-year-old is "struggling" with his decision, but maintains he has his full support.

 

"Selection. We have 21 strong players and only 18 possible [to be picked]. It is my job to take hard decisions," said the German.

"This was the decision for 18 guys and Tammy was not with the group.

"At the moment he is only struggling with my decision. We have a strong squad. We have only Thiago Silva injured that means we have to make hard decisions.

"We can nominate 18 players, plus goalkeepers so it is clear.

"It was also an unfair decision for Billy Gilmour because Billy played well in the cup and he was very strong in training.

"It was a hard decision. It was about judging the alternatives that we have and we opted for Olivier Giroud to begin, Timo Werner on the bench.

"We have Kai Havertz who can play as a number nine so there was no need to bring a fourth number nine to the pitch.

"Things are difficult for him. Things are not as easy as they should be for him in the moment and he will get full support. This was the decision."

 

 

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9 hours ago, Jason said:

In Europe, Juventus are expected to be in the market for a striker, while Paris Saint-Germain and Borussia Dortmund may have to replace Kylian Mbappe and Haaland if they clinch big moves.

I hope whoever wrote¬†the article is seriously not suggesting Juventus, PSG or Dortmund will want to sign Tammy Abraham ūü§£

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2 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

I hope whoever wrote¬†the article is seriously not suggesting Juventus, PSG or Dortmund will want to sign Tammy Abraham ūü§£

Think Abraham would do good in the Bundesliga where the standards aren't so high.

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3 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

I hope whoever wrote¬†the article is seriously not suggesting Juventus, PSG or Dortmund will want to sign Tammy Abraham ūü§£

Matt Law wrote it. ūü§£

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5 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

I hope whoever wrote¬†the article is seriously not suggesting Juventus, PSG or Dortmund will want to sign Tammy Abraham ūü§£

Kean, Morata, Michy, Chupo Moting played lately or are still playing for them. 

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7 hours ago, R2D2 said:

Think Abraham would do good in the Bundesliga where the standards aren't so high.

He would absolutely crush it there. Just look at Mishy who is also in principle also a good goalscorer but lacks any kind of game intelligence and technique and he tore bundesliga up. Tammy could do wonders at a team with a decent offensive setup in bundesliga like dortmund, gladbach or leverkusen.

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5 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Kean, Morata, Michy, Chupo Moting played lately or are still playing for them. 

And all are probably better.

Well Michy isnt and Chupo-Moting isnt but hes the ultimate squad player, small salary, play 4 different positions, plays 10-20 minutes most weeks/dead rubbers without any fuss when everyones fit.

Morata has scored goals for Juventus, Real Madrid and also Spain (18 goals in 36 games). He has scored over 100 club goals in all competitions since 2014 playing for Juventus twice, Real Madrid, Atletico and us. Moise Kean is having an pretty good season in terms of goals at PSG, hes in double figures in all competitions IIRC. 

No way Tammy is going to go there and play every week particularly at PSG where their main 9 is probably Mauro Icardi who is a better player comfortably and Juventus who dont even always start Morata... Dortmund if Haaland goes, they would go for someone better undoubtedly. I think he’d maybe score goals but Michy did there and hes hardly an good player either. 

8 hours ago, R2D2 said:

Think Abraham would do good in the Bundesliga where the standards aren't so high.

Maybe. His goal record isnt actually all too bad here in all comps I suppose for someone who hasnt got a huge deal of experience at a high standard, 30 goals in 80 games, but his general play hasnt kicked on much and that will limit him as a player because when the goals dont come he isnt any help to the team. Start of the season it looked like he has improved it a bit but he slowly regressed. I think regardless if he wants to stay or go, we will go for another number 9 of a high level. So the balls in his court. Tuchel has a reputation for improving players so it may be a big loss for him in terms of his career development if he goes and drops down to a smaller club perhaps. Although not necessarily as playing every week is also appealing and can help immensely. If he went to Leicester for example, but I can see Brendan Rodgers going for a reunion with Eduoard from Celtic, or even go to the other half of Glasgow for Morelos, as I think both will inevitably leave the Old Firm in the summer and if its a matter of Eduoard/Morelos or Abraham, I think theres no doubt who are the much better all round footballers. 

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1 hour ago, OneMoSalah said:

30 goals in 80 games

Actually if you count minutes it is 30 goals in 50 games because he played around 4500mins in Chelsea shirt.

The point about players comparation is that Tammy is doing better in Chelsea than Kean was doing in Everton (much better), and wherever Moting played. Also he has better record then Alvaro in Chelsea.

So my point is that I would not be surprised if some top European club go for him. Do I think he is material for Chelsea or any top club as a starter? No.

And there are probably more than 10 PL clubs where he would not be a starter.

English strikers I rate over him: Kane, Vardy, DCL, Bamford, Ings, Wilson, Watkins and Rashford as number 9.

Just show you how clueless Southgate is when he picks him over majority of them.

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On 01/03/2021 at 15:56, Jason said:

Not sure if you have answered it before but I'll ask anyway - do you think Abraham is a title winning striker? Do you think Abraham is the striker that will lead us to major titles or at the very least challenge for them? 

And don't you mean 12 goals and 6 assists in 1500 minutes or so? 

Getting 15 league goals in his first season last campaign with us was a good return but if you just break it down, 7 of those goals came in the first 5 games, meaning he scored only 8 more in his subsequent 29 appearances. Add that tally with this season, Abraham has scored only 14 goals in his last 49 league appearances. His last league goal was 2 months ago, although admittedly he's played just over 200 minutes between the end of December and now. But the numbers may partly explain why the club aren't convinced with him to be the leading striker. 

I have already talked with @Magic Lampsabout that topic.

Currently, I do not think he is a title winning striker, but in my opinion, he is underrated. 

 

He had his goal drought for a period of time last season, but he also played with an ankle injury for a while, which people tend to forget. If he ever manages to fix his headers, I can see him becoming a top striker, yes. He is fast for his size, tall, wins his headers (sadly, he misses them lol), his hold up play improved compared to last year in my opinion and his conversion rate of total shots has improved a lot. He also plays in the most competitive league in the world. Haaland for instance still has to show how he handles PL defenders that will try to get the ball from him and also mark him. Rarely happens in Bundesliga. 

He is still top scorer as far as I know, even though he rarely plays these days. I think with better players like Maddison, he could easily score 20+ goals per season. Even without having any creative players in our squad, he manages to score goals. Is he Drogba? No. I think we have players in our youth team that overall have more skill, but if Tammy ever fixes his heading abilities, I am convinced he will be a top striker. Haaland btw is not good with his head either. Calvert Lewin for instance is very, very good at that

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The thing is I think Tammy wants to be the main man, the first choice striker. I would think that if hes confident in his abilities then he should stay and fight for his place, grab the game by the balls and create that winning moment. Last time I saw him do that was last season at the emirates where he got the winning goal.

Also did Didier shy away when Torres arrived? The mentality was there. Not to mention Torres cost a hefty 50M back then.

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3 hours ago, chelsea_4_eva said:

The thing is I think Tammy wants to be the main man, the first choice striker. I would think that if hes confident in his abilities then he should stay and fight for his place, grab the game by the balls and create that winning moment. Last time I saw him do that was last season at the emirates where he got the winning goal.

Also did Didier shy away when Torres arrived? The mentality was there. Not to mention Torres cost a hefty 50M back then.

First of all, Torres was a horrible striker back in the day. Drogba was much better, but AVB still played Torres before Drogba. When AVB was sacked, Drogba was again a starter, but before that, he was often on the bench watching Torres play. 

Tammy knows that Chelsea will not give him a fair chance. Tuchel always substitutes Tammy or CHO. Tuchel never subbed of Werner or Giroud during half time break. Why? Because they are big names. Tammy is just a youth team player. Tomori left and look what he is doing right now. 

Look at what Lukaku did. He knew Mou will never let him play. He left and did his own thing. He is one of the highest goalscoring CFs in Europe right now. He would still be sitting on our bench besides Tammy if he did not take his own career into his hands and left. 

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10 hours ago, killer1257 said:

First of all, Torres was a horrible striker back in the day. Drogba was much better, but AVB still played Torres before Drogba. When AVB was sacked, Drogba was again a starter, but before that, he was often on the bench watching Torres play. 

Tammy knows that Chelsea will not give him a fair chance. Tuchel always substitutes Tammy or CHO. Tuchel never subbed of Werner or Giroud during half time break. Why? Because they are big names. Tammy is just a youth team player. Tomori left and look what he is doing right now. 

Look at what Lukaku did. He knew Mou will never let him play. He left and did his own thing. He is one of the highest goalscoring CFs in Europe right now. He would still be sitting on our bench besides Tammy if he did not take his own career into his hands and left. 

Yes I agree Drogba was miles better but what I meant was Drogs thrived under the competition.

And regarding Tammy, yes he has to take his career into his own hands and if he decides to leave then I wish him the best of luck, but if his preference is to stay with Chelsea his boyhood club then he will have to fight for places.

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Tuchel on Abraham's ankle problem, which may explain why he hasn't played much...

I'm a bit concerned because the pain from the tackle against Newcastle is still there. It's been a long time since he's been 100% free and comfortable in training. Even if he finishes in training, I can see he isn't 100% free. I have complete trust in our medical department and they will take care of him.

Tammy had to leave the pitch during the warm-up yesterday and he will get all the time he needs. It's important he feels zero pain and then we can think about his comeback.

He also had a similar issue last season.

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Uncertainty growing over Tammy Abraham’s future at Chelsea

https://theathletic.com/2445233/2021/03/13/uncertainty-growing-over-tammy-abrahams-future-at-Chelsea/

It’s finally clear that Tammy Abraham is struggling with more than Thomas Tuchel’s selection decisions.

‚ÄúHonestly, I am a bit concerned because it‚Äôs the same (ankle) pain from the tackle against Newcastle,‚ÄĚ Chelsea‚Äôs head coach said when asked about Abraham in a press conference on Friday. ‚ÄúSo it‚Äôs been a long time now where he‚Äôs not been 100 per cent free and comfortable in training. Even if he finishes in training, I can see he doesn‚Äôt have 100 per cent trust that he is totally free. So I am a bit concerned but at the same time I have complete trust in our medical department and they will take care of him now.

‚ÄúIt was a bit of a setback (on Thursday) that he had to leave the pitch during the warm-up, but he will get all the time he needs. It‚Äôs most important he feels zero pain and then we can think about his comeback.‚ÄĚ

A more cynically-minded observer might argue Abraham’s enforced absence simplifies things for Tuchel. The challenge of getting Timo Werner scoring again has been his No 1 attacking priority since taking the Chelsea job. Olivier Giroud was the favoured No 9 against Atletico Madrid and Manchester United. Kai Havertz was the hub of this team’s most fluid and impressive attacking performance to date against Everton. All three are higher in the pecking order than the 23-year-old from across the road at Cobham.

Tuchel made that much clear by playing down Abraham‚Äôs ankle injury as the reason why he was omitted from Chelsea‚Äôs match-day squad against United. ‚ÄúIt was a hard decision,‚ÄĚ the head coach explained. ‚ÄúIt was about judging the alternatives that we have and we opted for Olivier Giroud to begin, Timo Werner on the bench. We have Kai Havertz who can play as a No 9 so there was no need to bring a fourth No 9 to the pitch.

‚ÄúThings are difficult for him. Things are not as easy as they should be for him in the moment and he will get full support. This was the decision.‚ÄĚ

Viewed within the context of Chelsea’s earnest pursuit of Borussia Dortmund scoring sensation Erling Haaland, every mention of Abraham seems to spark a referendum on his future at Stamford Bridge. His contract is not the pressing issue it was previously claimed to be; The Athletic reported in November that by scoring his 15th Premier League goal of the season against Liverpool at Anfield in July, he automatically triggered a two-year extension clause in his current deal that commits him to the club until June 2024. But even if the clock isn’t ticking just yet, Marina Granovskaia will have a delicate situation to navigate this summer.

Haaland will have his pick of elite European clubs if he decides to leave Dortmund in the next transfer window, his list of suitors limited only by the vast financial commitment it will take to sign him and satisfy his agent, Mino Raiola. There is no obvious reason why Chelsea would emerge at the top of his wish list, even if last summer’s success in attracting Werner and Havertz will reinforce Roman Abramovich’s belief that Stamford Bridge is attractive to the most coveted young names in the sport.

Giroud is also out of contract and if Chelsea opt not to bring him back for another year, Abraham could feasibly be the only true No 9 left on the first-team books. That isn’t a problem if all parties are prepared to buy into the long-term vision of him taking on the mantle of Didier Drogba and Diego Costa as Abramovich’s next talismanic, trophy-winning centre-forward. But the current reality is riven with doubt that such an idyllic scenario will ever come to pass.

Beyond their interest in Haaland, Chelsea have already invested heavily in players who are now taking Abraham’s minutes, and Tuchel has made it clear that he is prepared to play without a conventional No 9 altogether. Abraham could be forgiven for not feeling properly valued by his club or his head coach, despite his 12 goals across all competitions leading the entire squad.

The contract is understood to be a significant factor in this regard. Abraham got a pay bump when he triggered the extension last season but his salary, believed to be in the region of £70,000 a week, is relatively low within the Chelsea first-team pay structure. Sources have told The Athletic he has no interest in discussing a new deal while he remains on the fringes of Tuchel’s thinking and the club continue to chase attacking reinforcements but if he were to do so, Callum Hudson-Odoi’s weekly wage of £120,000 should be considered a relevant benchmark.

An alternative path would be to sell Abraham for maximum value this summer to a club prepared to make him their main man. He would have no shortage of suitors, though it remains to be seen whether any could make an offer that would tempt Granovskaia in a transfer market still feeling the aftershocks of the COVID-19 shutdown. If they could, Chelsea might even be able to offset his loss by bringing back another academy graduate, Armando Broja, from a highly productive loan at Vitesse Arnhem to serve as squad competition next season. It would certainly be a timely statement of faith in the academy, if also a bold one.

In order to commit to Abraham, Chelsea need to satisfy themselves that he is good enough to merit building around. That looked easier to do last season, when the advanced stats indicated that he was scoring at a similar rate to Harry Kane in his breakthrough campaign at Tottenham. So far in 2020-21 his attacking threat has declined, both in terms of quantity and quality.

Smarterscout is a tool that uses advanced metrics to give players a rating from zero to 99 based on how often they perform a specific action compared to others playing in their position, or how effective they are at it. Here is Abraham’s profile from last season:

pizza_tammy_abraham_ST_2019-20.png

And here is his profile for 2020-21. You can see that, while his numbers in possession and without the ball remain broadly comparable, almost every aspect of his attacking contribution has taken a noticeable hit:

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Abraham has gone from taking 3.57 shots per 90 minutes in the Premier League in 2019-20 to 2.74 shots per 90 minutes so far this season, and his non-penalty expected goals (npxG) rating per 90 minutes has also fallen from 0.57 to 0.5. Compare his shot map in the Premier League last season…

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… with his shot map so far this season…

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… and it’s clear that while he is still broadly shooting from good positions, he is doing so less often. Part of the reason for that is Chelsea as a team are threatening the opposition goal less regularly; they average 14.07 shots per 90 minutes in the Premier League this season, down from 16.29 in 2019-20. Another part of it is that last summer saw the arrival of Werner and Hakim Ziyech, two other high-frequency shooters at Stamford Bridge. Both are averaging more shots per 90 minutes in the Premier League this season than Abraham, as is Giroud when he plays.

Chelsea's most frequent shooters
PLAYER
  
SHOTS/90 IN 2019-20
  
SHOTS/90 IN 2020-21
  
90038701.pngTammy Abraham 3.57 2.74
90026266.pngOlivier Giroud 3.53 3.06
90051388.pngMason Mount 2.45 2.3
90026984.pngChristian Pulisic 3.24 2.13
90055953.pngCallum Hudson-Odoi 2.29 1.93
90027327.pngTimo Werner 3.77 2.76
90031586.pngHakim Ziyech 4.98 2.74
90045056.pngKai Havertz 2.13 1.25

No attacker has found it easy to shine in a Chelsea team that has spent this season trying to establish a reliable identity in the final third, first under Frank Lampard and now under Tuchel. The stakes feel higher for Abraham, though, because he is an academy graduate competing against some of Abramovich’s shiniest new signings and because as recently as last season his career trajectory seemed so much more encouraging; when COVID-19 first brought the Premier League to a grinding halt in March 2020, he was in pole position to fill the injured Harry Kane’s boots leading the line for England at Euro 2020.

A year on, now it is far from clear if he would even make Gareth Southgate’s squad for the delayed tournament. An indicator will be the forthcoming World Cup qualifiers against San Marino, Albania and Poland later this month. As well as Kane, Danny Ings, Dominic Calvert-Lewin, Marcus Rashford, Mason Greenwood and Patrick Bamford could all make credible arguments that they have a stronger claim for inclusion.

If these decisions go against Abraham, they could further raise the temperature on the conversations regarding his future in the months ahead.

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