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2 minutes ago, lucio said:

getting your team to 15th doesn't qualify you for the chelsea job. sorry

"he was the youngest manager in the Football League when appointed Bournemouth manager in January 2009.[2] Howe rescued Bournemouth from relegation out of the Football League in his first season in charge, after the club started the season on -17 points, then led them to promotion the next. After a brief spell as manager at Burnley Howe returned to Bournemouth and led them to two further promotions in three seasons resulting in the club playing in the top flight of English football for the first time in their history. Howe's successes with Bournemouth resulted in him being given the inaugural Football League Manager of the Decade Award in 2015".

This is from wikipedia. Its not like he just got the team and getting them to 15th place. He got them from relegation in the football league to the PL for the first time in the clubs history! He is also young (38) and has proved that he can stay at one club for a long time. He is also English, which some value dearly on this forum. Some people also wanted Zola to be our manager. While he is a legend, he didn't get the team promoted to the PL and is now managing in Qatar. Not that impressive either considering your logic.

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4 minutes ago, Yeboii said:

"he was the youngest manager in the Football League when appointed Bournemouth manager in January 2009.[2] Howe rescued Bournemouth from relegation out of the Football League in his first season in charge, after the club started the season on -17 points, then led them to promotion the next. After a brief spell as manager at Burnley Howe returned to Bournemouth and led them to two further promotions in three seasons resulting in the club playing in the top flight of English football for the first time in their history. Howe's successes with Bournemouth resulted in him being given the inaugural Football League Manager of the Decade Award in 2015".

This is from wikipedia. Its not like he just got the team and getting them to 15th place. He got them from relegation in the football league to the PL for the first time in the clubs history! He is also young (38) and has proved that he can stay at one club for a long time. He is also English, which some value dearly on this forum. Some people also wanted Zola to be our manager. While he is a legend, he didn't get the team promoted to the PL and is now managing in Qatar. Not that impressive either considering your logic.

so, a good showing in the lower leagues, and he's ready to challenge jose, pep , klopp? 

he needs to go somewhere like newcastle and get them into the europa spots.

It would just be too great a risk, he wouldn't attract any players, we need someone like conte to do that, without CL

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53 minutes ago, Yeboii said:

Am I the only one who is for an young manager who has done something great in recent years?
I know people like Pochettino, but what about Eddie Howe? Has been great at Bournemouth!
Mark Hughes at Stoke is also a good shout.

Man I wouldn't even be that against getting Brendan Rodgers. He knows English football, not Conte

Conte would be a good option though. I'm just afraid that he won't understand English football, and how to make his tactics work there. As we have seen, Italian football is very different from the PL.

I get where you're coming from, but i can't see how the board is going to hire a young coach like Howie who hasn't won jack shit so far.

It's a fantasy, therefore i don't bother, the board will go with an experienced one, too often we hired a coach whose already behind his former innovative line of thoughts,
but it seems that they are reluctant to learn.

For the record, i would welcome Conte here, think he is up for the job, but in the end we're almost always talking about this kind of coach.
That's the way it is at Chelsea, could be worse, could have had Wenger who is always throwing the towel when shit hits the fan...
At least we're competitive for better or worse...

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Just now, lucio said:

so, a good showing in the lower leagues, and he's ready to challenge jose, pep , klopp? 

he needs to go somewhere like newcastle and get them into the europa spots.

It would just be too great a risk, he wouldn't attract any players, we need someone like conte to do that, without CL

We had no manager when we attracted the worlds biggest young player at the time: Eden Hazard.

Well since you only base your logic on where his team is placed right now, then he is ready to challenge Mourinho. Mou didn't get us very high in the table this season did he?
Also keep in mind the squad he has and the squad Mou had.

Getting your low rated team from near-relegation in Football League 1 to the PL (and in a place where the team would still be in the PL next season) is not a "good showing" in the lower leagues. Its a terrific one! Hence the "football league manager of the decade award".

Some think I meant that we should go all out for Howe. I wasn't saying that. What I was trying to say is that he is worth a shout.

And do you think Conte is ready to challenge José, Pep and Klopp?

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3 minutes ago, Essien19 said:

I get where you're coming from, but i can't see how the board is going to hire a young coach like Howie who hasn't won jack shit so far.

It's a fantasy, therefore i don't bother, the board will go with an experienced one, too often we hired a coach whose already behind his former innovative line of thoughts,
but it seems that they are reluctant to learn.

For the record, i would welcome Conte here, think he is up for the job, but in the end we're almost always talking about this kind of coach.
That's the way it is at Chelsea, could be worse, could have had Wenger who is always throwing the towel when shit hits the fan...
At least we're competitive for better or worse...

I would also, of course, welcome Conte. However, I do worry about the transition from Italy to England (Cuadrado, Salah is doing great there now). Its a whole different playstyle and all that. 
Conte is said to be very smart so I think he will adapt. Just a question of do we want another season like this one in order for that to happen?

Reports say that Roman wants a long term manager. I can't think of a better "long term manager" than a young one who has been doing well.

Just my two cents :)

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4 minutes ago, Yeboii said:

We had no manager when we attracted the worlds biggest young player at the time: Eden Hazard.

Well since you only base your logic on where his team is placed right now, then he is ready to challenge Mourinho. Mou didn't get us very high in the table this season did he?
Also keep in mind the squad he has and the squad Mou had.

Getting your low rated team from near-relegation in Football League 1 to the PL (and in a place where the team would still be in the PL next season) is not a "good showing" in the lower leagues. Its a terrific one! Hence the "football league manager of the decade award".

Some think I meant that we should go all out for Howe. I wasn't saying that. What I was trying to say is that he is worth a shout.

And do you think Conte is ready to challenge José, Pep and Klopp?

hazard said "im signing for the champions league winner".   not the midtable club from london. won't be so easy this time.

and if the articles on conte are accurate, then yes, he is probably our best bet bar simeone to challenge,

maybe we will see howe in like 5 years

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36 minutes ago, Yeboii said:

In Italy yes. Rodgers was fucked over by Liverpool (transfer commitee) and Howe has done really well with what he had/has.

What a great point. Really great way to start a discussion on a forum ;)

Alright, lets do this.

1 hour ago, Yeboii said:

Am I the only one who is for an young manager who has done something great in recent years? Conte IS young and did something great in recent years.
I know people like Pochettino, but what about Eddie Howe? Has been great at Bournemouth! Pochettino is not much younger than Conte, nor have more impressive feats. About Howe, being great at Bournemouth doesn't mean anything, there are several steps between Bournemouth and Chelsea.
Mark Hughes at Stoke is also a good shout. Mark Hughes is crap and isn't young.

Man I wouldn't even be that against getting Brendan Rodgers. He knows English football, not Conte Yeah, let's get a crappy british manager because top Italian managers doesn't suit PL at all, remember that Ancelotti scrub that had no prior English experience?

Terrible post.

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4 minutes ago, Yeboii said:

I would also, of course, welcome Conte. However, I do worry about the transition from Italy to England (Cuadrado, Salah is doing great there now). Its a whole different playstyle and all that. 
Conte is said to be very smart so I think he will adapt. Just a question of do we want another season like this one in order for that to happen?

Reports say that Roman wants a long term manager. I can't think of a better "long term manager" than a young one who has been doing well.

Just my two cents :)

Managers and player are different and Mourinho probably did not know how to use Cuadrado.The premier league is not really that defferent to the Seri A.

9 minutes ago, Yeboii said:

We had no manager when we attracted the worlds biggest young player at the time: Eden Hazard.

Well since you only base your logic on where his team is placed right now, then he is ready to challenge Mourinho. Mou didn't get us very high in the table this season did he?
Also keep in mind the squad he has and the squad Mou had.

Getting your low rated team from near-relegation in Football League 1 to the PL (and in a place where the team would still be in the PL next season) is not a "good showing" in the lower leagues. Its a terrific one! Hence the "football league manager of the decade award".

Some think I meant that we should go all out for Howe. I wasn't saying that. What I was trying to say is that he is worth a shout.

And do you think Conte is ready to challenge José, Pep and Klopp?

And do you think that Howe would challenge Guardiola and Klopp? Conte has rebuild Juventus and has won 3 concesutive Seri A titles,won the SuperCoppa.Conte is tactically great and a great motivator.When Howe does somethink like this then maybe they consider him.

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3 minutes ago, Socur Toxanarosa said:

Alright, lets do this.

Terrible post.

My mistake. I thought Conte was much older than he is :)
I know Hughes isn't young. It was just an idea saying that sometimes the "small names" are good enough. Hughes isn't crap at all.

Ancelotti is a terrible example as he had won the CL recently, and is one in a thousand managers that everyone knows is a football genius. Howe is not "crappy" and has achieved a lot (some people don't think there are leagues under the PL in England apparently).

As I said before. Conte is a good manager and I would welcome him here. I was merely stating that maybe it would be a good thing to look in the direction of someone who knows "English football".

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11 minutes ago, Yeboii said:

I would also, of course, welcome Conte. However, I do worry about the transition from Italy to England (Cuadrado, Salah is doing great there now). Its a whole different playstyle and all that. 
Conte is said to be very smart so I think he will adapt. Just a question of do we want another season like this one in order for that to happen?

Reports say that Roman wants a long term manager. I can't think of a better "long term manager" than a young one who has been doing well.

Just my two cents :)

Conte has to adapt and it must happen quickly, otherwise he's a goner. Difficult to adapt to the PL;
anyone can beat anyone, heavy schedule piling up, training different than in other European countries, can't be that hard here because of the amount of matches,
youth development different, lower leagues aren't that competitive here, imo and so on.
Maybe the board will deny him the funds to severely strengthen the squad, the world is getting more and more expensive, maybe too much for Abramovich nowadays.

Alex Ferguson used the youth properly, class of 92 and so on, it only made his side stronger and stronger.
You can say what you want about Van Gaal but he showed the world how to handle the youth, he clearly made mistakes, but he has done more than Jose and most of the other managers in the league so far.

At Chelsea, you must have instant success, Jose's an exception because of his past, so very, very difficult to keep your job here, especially when the other teams are buying.

How do you keep the prospects at Chelsea?
Splash the cash, Loftus-Cheek is earning about ~60.000 every week these days, it's simple to see why he put pen to paper, lolz.

 

10 minutes ago, lucio said:

hazard said "im signing for the champions league winner".   not the midtable club from london. won't be so easy this time.

and if the articles on conte are accurate, then yes, he is probably our best bet bar simeone to challenge,

maybe we will see howe in like 5 years

It's much better to say i signed for the Champions than for the money. In my point of view, if i remember correctly, Ferguson didn't want to give in to his demands.
He is here, because we put money on the table and London, but that's just my 2 cents worth, maybe you're right, could be, or not, who knows.

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39 minutes ago, Yeboii said:

My mistake. I thought Conte was much older than he is :)
I know Hughes isn't young. It was just an idea saying that sometimes the "small names" are good enough. Hughes isn't crap at all.

Ancelotti is a terrible example as he had won the CL recently, and is one in a thousand managers that everyone knows is a football genius. Howe is not "crappy" and has achieved a lot (some people don't think there are leagues under the PL in England apparently).

As I said before. Conte is a good manager and I would welcome him here. I was merely stating that maybe it would be a good thing to look in the direction of someone who knows "English football".

Didn't say Howe was crappy, and a think Ancelotti is a perfect exemple, i remember people being very skeptical about him when he arrived, had no league sucess with Milan, he only got his reputation after Chelsea and Real Madrid. Conte already had massive league sucess, there's no point in not appoint him as the next manager, of course nothing is guaranteed, he may become a total flop, but right now he is the best option by far as i think Simeone is not leaving Atlético, and tbh i prefer Conte.

And yes, Hughes is total crap, ask any City fan if they miss him.

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Capello: “Conte is preparing for #CFC. He has the time to arrive and train Chelsea in the best way, as this is an important club" (FOX)

Roman Abramovich will meet Antonio Conte in Monte Carlo, where the Italian's brother and agent Daniele lives. (Eurosport) #CFC

Details of Conte's deal are expected to be ironed out, with the manager to be offered a 3-year contract for £5m per season (Eurosport) #CFC

Antonio Conte wants to bring younger brother Gianluca Conte to coach with him at Chelsea. #CFC (Sun)

Conte would like to add three training-ground coaches – his Italy number two Angelo Alessio, Massimo Carrera and Mauro Sandreani. #CFC (Sun)

Conte also uses Professor Paolo Bertelli as his fitness coach & Professor Julio Tous, a specialist in strength and conditioning. #CFC (Sun)

Conte used Claudio Filippi as a goalkeeper coach at Juve & Gianluca Spinelli with the national team, but is understood to be flexible. (Sun)

Antonio Conte has recommended new signings to Chelsea in anticipation of being named the club's manager this month. (Times) #CFC

Conte has held talks with #CFC about improving the development of young players and made aware Abramovich regards it as a priority (Times)

Conte has yet to meet Abramovich with Chelsea's negotiating team being led by Marina Granovskaia, the club director. #CFC (Times)

Conte is using Federico Pastorello, an intermediary so a meeting with Abramovich on his yacht in Monte Carlo is on the cards (Times) #CFC

Abramovich will hold a final face-to-face meeting with Conte before signing off his appointment as #CFC’s next permanent manager (Telegraph)

Chelsea will be with Antonio Conte on the bench, who thinks about Pjanic to reinforce the midfield. #CFC #ASRoma (TMW)

 

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23 minutes ago, Socur Toxanarosa said:

Didn't say Howe was crappy, and a think Ancelotti is a perfect exemple, i remember people being very skeptical about him when he arrived, had no league sucess with Milan, he only got his reputation after Chelsea and Real Madrid. Conte already had massive league sucess, there's no point in not appoint him as the next manager, of course nothing is guaranteed, he may become a total flop, but right now he is the best option by far as i think Simeone is not leaving Atlético, and tbh i prefer Conte.

And yes, Hughes is total crap, ask any City fan if they miss him.

You say that Hughes 'is total crap' and that's harsh. He is doing a good job at Stoke and was he really that bad at City?
He wasn't setting the world alight, alright, but it's not all black and white, there's more to come than a binary call at the end of the day, there's a third option,
the term 'okay' fits the bill nicely, imo.

Ancelotti had one great season here at Chelsea, just like Jose recently experienced, but they both don't use the youth properly and prefer having a small number of regulars. They both have problems and made mistakes over and over again.

Conte is an option, for sure, but how can you say it's the best option for us?
There are many coaches out there, i'm no judge, can't say i know all of them and who's the best one for Chelsea?
Remember, the most decorated man isn't always the best one for the Chelsea job. 

Personally speaking, i don't have problem with a 'small' name, the talking is done on the pitch. Would love someone like Thomas Tuchel or the new head coach of Hoffenheim here, he is a 28 year old no-name, but comes across very intelligent. Yes, Roman won't do it, the legend... ready for Pellers getting the job. :)

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2 minutes ago, Essien19 said:

You say that Hughes 'is total crap' and that's harsh. He is doing a good job at Stoke and was he really that bad at City?
He wasn't setting the world alight, alright, but it's not all black and white, there's more to come than a binary call at the end of the day, there's a third option,
the term 'okay' fits the bill nicely, imo.

Ancelotti had one great season here at Chelsea, just like Jose recently experienced, but they both don't use the youth properly and prefer having a small number of regulars. They both have problems and made mistakes over and over again.

Conte is an option, for sure, but how can you say it's the best option for us?
There are many coaches out there, i'm no judge, can't say i know all of them and who's the best one for Chelsea?
Remember, the most decorated man isn't always the best one for the Chelsea job. 

Personally speaking, i don't have problem with a 'small' name, the talking is done on the pitch. Would love someone like Thomas Tuchel or the new head coach of Hoffenheim here, he is a 28 year old no-name, but comes across very intelligent. Yes, Roman won't do it, the legend... ready for Pellers getting the job. :)

It's not about the most decorated mate, it's about recent retrospect.

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On 29. 2. 2016 at 11:06 PM, Chelsea4 said:

Conte's training are much harder than Mourinho's and Conte is not similar to Mourinho.Conte picks a system to suit the players he favours rather than the other way round so that doesn't mean he will use a 3-5-2.

Well he did play 3:5:2 and as soon Alegri took over, he restructured team to 4:3:1:2 with same players (bar Evra, but that makes you question, why didnt Conte buy natural LB in three years) and reached CL final.

Probably (hopefuly) Conte wont play 3:5:2 here, but I dont think he suits this team or league. He demands full loyalty and trust and has hard training. We dont have team of warriors and fighters anymore, not sure how current bunch of players would suit Conte, because no one can make for example Cesc a heavy worker,

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31 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

Well he did play 3:5:2 and as soon Alegri took over, he restructured team to 4:3:1:2 with same players (bar Evra, but that makes you question, why didnt Conte buy natural LB in three years) and reached CL final.

Probably (hopefuly) Conte wont play 3:5:2 here, but I dont think he suits this team or league. He demands full loyalty and trust and has hard training. We dont have team of warriors and fighters anymore, not sure how current bunch of players would suit Conte, because no one can make for example Cesc a heavy worker,

Allegri has tried this season to change Juventus but he failed so he returned to 3-5-2.The question is why didn't the Juventus board buy because Conte wanted 2 wingers and Juventus was really lucky to get to the final.

Tell me why does Conte not suit this team or league? Why do you think we have no warriors and fighters? Conte will make sure that every single Chelsea player fights to win or they will not play.Conte will also buy players.

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44 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

Well he did play 3:5:2 and as soon Alegri took over, he restructured team to 4:3:1:2 with same players (bar Evra, but that makes you question, why didnt Conte buy natural LB in three years) and reached CL final.

Probably (hopefuly) Conte wont play 3:5:2 here, but I dont think he suits this team or league. He demands full loyalty and trust and has hard training. We dont have team of warriors and fighters anymore, not sure how current bunch of players would suit Conte, because no one can make for example Cesc a heavy worker,

if conte does come to chelsea i hope he plays the 4-3-3 formation with fabregas koke Nainggolan has the midfied trio if we cant get koke get pjanic i miss 4-3-3 formation and sell oscar to balance the books  

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2 hours ago, Chelsea4 said:

Allegri has tried this season to change Juventus but he failed so he returned to 3-5-2.The question is why didn't the Juventus board buy because Conte wanted 2 wingers and Juventus was really lucky to get to the final.

Tell me why does Conte not suit this team or league? Why do you think we have no warriors and fighters? Conte will make sure that every single Chelsea player fights to win or they will not play.Conte will also buy players.

Why Conte doesnt suit league? Because his training methods dont suit it. Italian league is one thing, english is other. The competition and rhytm are much more difficult than in italy. He burns players and if our players couldnt cope under Mou, how will they survive under Conte? Conte is known for playing same players and doesnt like to rotate much which could be problem. He didnt even pick Insigne for italy despite he is on fire this season. Hazard would be burnt out soon under Conte. 

And our players warriors? Who? Who is willing to run whole game relentlessly regardless of result and fight for every ball? Willian, Azpi. Who else? Maybe Costa. The rest of the team is too slow or doesnt work hard enough to follow Conte methods and succeed. Not to mention Conte had great defense at juve. His team is oriented on balanced and organized defence. He would have lot of work with buying top defenders and midfielders and then creating a team out of it. He had bunch of italians and passionate players like Vidal at juve, which created special bond and mentality there. It would be alot harder to do that here because few players actualy showed they would 'die' for club. And without such players Conte wont get far.

Not to mention we will be back to square one with defensive tactics once again. I like strong defense, but with balanced play. Im sure if we pick Conte, we will watch more and more bunkers in every bigger game. And with all attacking players that we have, why not go for something more? Hiddink is doing fine job for example, IMO conte is just too defensive. Plus we dont have single italian here. Conte is known to be great mental leader and having so many italians back at juve surely helped create strong bonds and relationships. Never underestimate team players. Here I feel he would be somewhat out of place unless he brings couple of players he worked with before like Pogba, Vidal, Chielini, Verratti etc but good luck with getting any of those.

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9 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

Why Conte doesnt suit league? Because his training methods dont suit it. Italian league is one thing, english is other. The competition and rhytm are much more difficult than in italy. He burns players and if our players couldnt cope under Mou, how will they survive under Conte? Conte is known for playing same players and doesnt like to rotate much which could be problem. He didnt even pick Insigne for italy despite he is on fire this season. Hazard would be burnt out soon under Conte. 

And our players warriors? Who? Who is willing to run whole game relentlessly regardless of result and fight for every ball? Willian, Azpi. Who else? Maybe Costa. The rest of the team is too slow or doesnt work hard enough to follow Conte methods and succeed. Not to mention Conte had great defense at juve. His team is oriented on balanced and organized defence. He would have lot of work with buying top defenders and midfielders and then creating a team out of it. He had bunch of italians and passionate players like Vidal at juve, which created special bond and mentality there. It would be alot harder to do that here because few players actualy showed they would 'die' for club. And without such players Conte wont get far.

Not to mention we will be back to square one with defensive tactics once again. I like strong defense, but with balanced play. Im sure if we pick Conte, we will watch more and more bunkers in every bigger game. And with all attacking players that we have, why not go for something more? Hiddink is doing fine job for example, IMO conte is just too defensive. Plus we dont have single italian here. Conte is known to be great mental leader and having so many italians back at juve surely helped create strong bonds and relationships. Never underestimate team players. Here I feel he would be somewhat out of place unless he brings couple of players he worked with before like Pogba, Vidal, Chielini, Verratti etc but good luck with getting any of those.

So you're suggesting that the club should appoint a manager that's already working in the Premier League, because "x league is one thing, English is other"? 

Mourinho came from Portugal, Ancelotti came from Italy (!) and they were pretty successful even during their first season here. I think there is a question mark about the adaptability of Conte's methods, but it's not a sure thing that he won't be able to adapt. It's a risk, indeed, but anyone else rumoured to get the job would be a risk. 

About tactics and warriors, we do have warriors: Ivanovic, Azpi, Cahill, Matic, Costa, Willian, the young lads, they are all ready to put their head in the opponents' boot for a guy that knows how to motivate them. And we will buy more players, players that Conte wants. The tactics have to be changed, anyway, because we want to adopt another style. No more bus parking, of course devensive tactics will be back to square one. So what? After what we've been through this season, we can't expect someone to come here and perform miracles over the night. We want to change, so let Conte or whoever else change. 

P.S.: Hazard would be burnt out soon under anyone, if he doesn't wake the hell up for good and start running his heart out for the club. 

 

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