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I really want to see Tuchel here. He is good at developing youth and he is a lot more progressive than Allegri which can suit our group of players better. 

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14 minutes ago, 0007 said:

I really want to see Tuchel here. He is good at developing youth and he is a lot more progressive than Allegri which can suit our group of players better. 

Everyones talking playing styles as if thats the most important. Someone who’s well respected as a coach who will improve and set high standards that the player will have to meet every week is a priority. Can keep the more progressive football if its going to be good one week, then 3/4 weeks where we don’t show up. We seen from Sarri and now Lampard where thats taken us. Maybe Tuchel would be different maybe not but there needs to be something because this is a young group and they need something/someone to put them en route to being a proper team. Not just a team that plays good football like Arsenal under Wenger after 2008 or whatever but were never truly competitive and struggled when games got shitty/tough.

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42 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Everyones talking playing styles as if thats the most important. Someone who’s well respected as a coach who will improve and set high standards that the player will have to meet every week is a priority. Can keep the more progressive football if its going to be good one week, then 3/4 weeks where we don’t show up. We seen from Sarri and now Lampard where thats taken us. Maybe Tuchel would be different maybe not but there needs to be something because this is a young group and they need something/someone to put them en route to being a proper team. Not just a team that plays good football like Arsenal under Wenger after 2008 or whatever but were never truly competitive and struggled when games got shitty/tough.

And we have seen with Conte and Jose's second term that pragmatic football was not sustainable in the long-term. And not only in the long-term, but in Europe too. We sacrificied our development for an instant success and we ended up in a complete mess. 

Proactive approach doesn't  always mean Wenger levels of naivety. In fact almost all of the big teams have an attacking-minded managers. Liverpool and City are doing quite good with Pep and Klopp, Flick transformed Bayern, Ten Hag was praised for his Ajax CL run, Naggelsman too. 

I don't think Lampard and Sarri are good examples. Frank is inexperienced and although he has good ideas, I am yet to see him implementing  them. Being attacking-minded is far from enough and he has shown it. Sarri had a squad that was far from suited to his style.And he  insisted on only   one way of playing despite the lack of quality we had in attack. 

Tuchel seems to me as  way more flexible tactically than Sarri. Not to mention how much more experience he has  than Frank. I am not saying he will be the roght choice but he is the one I am the most keen on. Allegri inherited a winning squad which had already been developed by Conte.Squad that had a rock-solid defence with some of the best CBs in the world and a fantastic midfield. We have a completely different situation here. Young squad with a lot of exciting talents in attack that don't seem to know what to do. 

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6 hours ago, 0007 said:

I really want to see Tuchel here. He is good at developing youth 

Lol. Have you seen the insane amount of youth players who have left PSG because they saw no chance to play nor develop further?

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2 minutes ago, Alabama said:

Nagelsman would eventually face the same problem we are experiencing right now...

Maybe but we would likely be playing better football and have a manager with more tactical ingenuity and innovation. 

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2 hours ago, Vesper said:

Lol. Have you seen the insane amount of youth players who have left PSG because they saw no chance to play nor develop further?

You can laugh all you want but his Dortmund side was notorious for its youthfulness. He bought 19-years old Dembele and made him a star. Weigl was the first name on the team sheet despite being 19 at the time. Pulisic was not even 19 when Tuchel started to counting more on him and he actually played more than CHO at the same age. Ginther was another nailed on starter and he was 21 at the time  IIRC. If that's not called developing youth players , I don't know what should be. 

PSG was never about the youth and their investment on already proven players screams for an instant success,not for developing  their own academy prospects.

 

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5 minutes ago, 0007 said:

You can laugh all you want but his Dortmund side was notorious for its youthfulness. He bought 19-years old Dembele and made him a star. Weigl was the first name on the team sheet despite being 19 at the time. Pulisic was not even 19 when Tuchel started to counting more on him and he actually played more than CHO at the same age. Ginther was another nailed on starter and he was 21 at the time  IIRC. If that's not called developing youth players , I don't know what should be. 

PSG was never about the youth and their investment on already proven players screams for an instant success,not for developing  their own academy prospects.

 

I am still 100% against Tuchel coming here.

I have said this from the beginning. 

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2 hours ago, Vesper said:

Lol. Have you seen the insane amount of youth players who have left PSG because they saw no chance to play nor develop further?

Are they any good?

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19 minutes ago, 0007 said:

You can laugh all you want but his Dortmund side was notorious for its youthfulness. He bought 19-years old Dembele and made him a star. Weigl was the first name on the team sheet despite being 19 at the time. Pulisic was not even 19 when Tuchel started to counting more on him and he actually played more than CHO at the same age. Ginther was another nailed on starter and he was 21 at the time  IIRC. If that's not called developing youth players , I don't know what should be. 

PSG was never about the youth and their investment on already proven players screams for an instant success,not for developing  their own academy prospects.

 

That's one vital thing we need to make clear to any manager that youth development is now deemed a critical goal. We have far too much talent at this point.

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13 minutes ago, lucio said:

Are they any good?

    
to buy the lot now, if a normal market, would cost around £250-300m or so

with COVID, say £200-250m

Loïc Mbe Soh    
Centre-Back

Adil Aouchiche    
Attacking Midfield

Tanguy Nianzou    
Centre-Back
    
Moussa Diaby    
Left Winger

Christopher Nkunku    
Attacking Midfield

Stanley Nsoki    
Left-Back

Timothy Weah  
Centre-Forward

Arthur Zagre   
Left-Back
    
Gonçalo Guedes    
Left Winger

Odsonne Edouard    
Centre-Forward

Yacine Adli    
Attacking Midfield

Jonathan Ikoné    
Right Winger

Antoine Bernede    
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As fans we most be accepting to have new manager every two years it is the way of the Chelsea.
One of the reasons why we will never have a Klopp at Chelsea

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Problem is that we can sell our new golden generation of youth players because our next new managers needs 200 million investments to make his new team and then guys like Soonsup bell, Broja, Anjorin will play for other Pl clubs or for Bayern [emoji23]

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I actually wouldn't put it past our board to actually consider Rafa Benitez again. Almost the same situation as last time and it would be beneficial to both sides. Chelsea gets a "safe," boring, experienced and pragmatic manager to steady the ship. Maybe luck out and go on a run in Europe like last time. Benitez gets to put himself in the shop window again and gets himself another PL gig. And with no fans in the Bridge there won't be huge backlash this time.

Of course that's not what I want by any means but I wonder if they're considering it...

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1 hour ago, killer1257 said:

One of the reasons why we will never have a Klopp at Chelsea

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Eventually Klopp will get stale at Liverpool. Whether it's next season or two. Pep at City is already slowly becoming stale. City are not monsters as they were two seasons ago.

When it comes stale, either you get new players that want to play for the manager, or the manager leaves.

Oh, and Lampard isn't the next "Klopp", so when we do find the next "Klopp", I'm sure a bit more time will be given.

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8 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Problem is that we can sell our new golden generation of youth players because our next new managers needs 200 million investments to make his new team and then guys like Soonsup bell, Broja, Anjorin will play for other Pl clubs or for Bayern emoji23.png

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5 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Problem is that we can sell our new golden generation of youth players because our next new managers needs 200 million investments to make his new team and then guys like Soonsup bell, Broja, Anjorin will play for other Pl clubs or for Bayern emoji23.png

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Why can't we do both? Many successful teams (including the current Champions of England) have combined top prospects with big spending. Even the one's who don't quite become good enough to start for us can still provide the squad depth which frees up funds for star signings as opposed to squad filler.

The two ain't mutually exclusive.

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