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Probably a mistake in my registration - am french based in ... Indonesia :) and long term Paris supporter. Totally agree we are still far from Real / Barca / Bayern and from POV they are stronger than us - but not Chelsea.

Agree that you had / have good teams in the past but at this moment now I really think objectively that we have a better team. Look how the ball was going from feet to feet - you need solid technicals skills to achieve that. Drogba / Remy (far from being in my heart as former Marseille players) being your options once Diego Costa (who is definitely not Aguero / Suarez or Rooney -)) that is not great...

We have a legal team built properly. You have a team that was illegally assembled and was sanctioned by FFP. Your team lost the title to Montpellier and are now losing to Lyon even with all the stars you bought illegally.

We have a good base of young players who didn't play their best on the night(perhaps due to fatigue? we play 4 games in 10 days when you guys are on holiday) In no way do I think you guys have a better team, you were better on the night but that's about it.

Good luck to you in the next round.

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We have a legal team built properly. You have a team that was illegally assembled and was sanctioned by FFP. Your team lost the title to Montpellier and are now losing to Lyon even with all the stars you bought illegally.

We have a good base of young players who didn't play their best on the night(perhaps due to fatigue? we play 4 games in 10 days when you guys are on holiday) In no way do I think you guys have a better team, you were better on the night but that's about it.

Good luck to you in the next round.

Team built illegally ? The club was sanctioned and paid for it. If FFP would have been active a few years ago - Chelsea would have been in the same situation rite ? and might have not been able to win all these titles. Not sure Chelsea is in the best position to give lessons...

But without FFP it took ard 10 years to win the Champion's league with Bernard LD so all that shows that football has and will keep an irational bit and that's why we love it.

On the rest, am not gonna battle but I am still convinced that player by player Chelsea is a really good team not a top team. Not saying that PSG is but objectively thinking that Paris has more talent and potential. I think Terry, Cahill, Ivanovic, Drogba, are not at their best times of their lives and aside Hazard / Courtois (top players) all the others ones are really good but not top or not there yet: Azpi (used to play a lot in France), Ramires, Matic, Cesc, Luis...

Silva recently said in the press that PSG is the best team he ever played for. And he played in good teams...

Overall what I am saying is that I think the english football underestimated our team and seem to think that Chelsea is the one who lost the game. No, Paris won it because better and should have won it in a more easy manner.

On the rest and to adress prior comment - I don't think neither that we have a great coach. Laurent Blanc only answered to what Mourinho was doing. Getting Rabiot into the pitch is to avoid Verratti to take another yellow...and we had no more offensive player. We do have young players but nonne of them acceed the first team aside Rabiot. Marquinhos, Verratti, Matuidi...are expensive acquisition and our local players are not really pushed.

Anyway that's my advise and am open to debate - thats only football :)

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Team built illegally ? The club was sanctioned and paid for it. If FFP would have been active a few years ago - Chelsea would have been in the same situation rite ? and might have not been able to win all these titles. Not sure Chelsea is in the best position to give lessons...

But without FFP it took ard 10 years to win the Champion's league with Bernard LD so all that shows that football has and will keep an irational bit and that's why we love it.

On the rest, am not gonna battle but I am still convinced that player by player Chelsea is a really good team not a top team. Not saying that PSG is but objectively thinking that Paris has more talent and potential. I think Terry, Cahill, Ivanovic, Drogba, are not at their best times of their lives and aside Hazard / Courtois (top players) all the others ones are really good but not top or not there yet: Azpi (used to play a lot in France), Ramires, Matic, Cesc, Luis...

Silva recently said in the press that PSG is the best team he ever played for. And he played in good teams...

Overall what I am saying is that I think the english football underestimated our team and seem to think that Chelsea is the one who lost the game. No, Paris won it because better and should have won it in a more easy manner.

On the rest and to adress prior comment - I don't think neither that we have a great coach. Laurent Blanc only answered to what Mourinho was doing. Getting Rabiot into the pitch is to avoid Verratti to take another yellow...and we had no more offensive player. We do have young players but nonne of them acceed the first team aside Rabiot. Marquinhos, Verratti, Matuidi...are expensive acquisition and our local players are not really pushed.

Anyway that's my advise and am open to debate - thats only football :)

Yes the team was built illegally! You broke the rules to get the team you have right now. This isn't about Chelsea, when the rules were implemented it gave everyone, including PSG 3yrs to get their house in order and you failed and were sanctioned. What we did and are STILL doing is perfectly in the rules of the game... What you guys attempted to do and failed at is breaking them.

Who are Paris' top players? Zlatan is marching towards the glue factory and Cavani, while being paid a kings ransom isn't really a talismanic figure for PSG is he? Thiago Silva is a stud! David Luis is our reject... Verratti has a long way to go before he can be considered a top player and Pastore rightfully struggles to get into your squad. Moura I like but there is little evidence he is a world class player. So who am I missing in all of this? Motta? Matuidi?

Diego Costa love him or hate him is one of the worlds best strikers, he proved it in La Liga and is proving it in the EPL. Hazard and Courtois are without question world class or thereabouts and Fabregas is definitely one of the best midfielders in the world. You would also be hard pressed to find a better defensive midfielder in world football than Matic. Who on your squad even comes close to Matic and Fabregas?

What is Silva gonna say? This is the 3rd best team I've played for? hahaha! Take what a player says with a grain of salt.

You say we underestimated PSG, you could be right, but in saying that aren't you alluding to the fact we have the superior team? PSG played their asses off, no one will say they didn't. They went out and actually won the tie without actually winning to be honest. My hats off to your squad for getting a result like that against the odds for sure. We clearly didn't play to our potential and tactically didn't get it right, but I fail to see where you can now draw conclusions that you are the better squad.

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These are endless arguments.

Somebody said to Alf Ramsey once after England had played Scotland "did you watch Charlie Cook, that Chelsea player nearly won them the match", to which Ramsey replied "no, he lost the match for them" - because England had won 1-0.

It can be argued that the placid Mourinho system worked, and we went ahead by 1-0. Major fly in the ointment was the Cavani open goal chance we allowed before that.

But they equalized.

Same story -action replay- in extra time. 2-1, almost 3-1 then 2-2 !

Given the 1-0 and the 2-1 it's not as if we were left with so much time to increase the score.

Of course I 'm against this system because it was bad in other occasions too, namely Everton and Burnley.

But can you tell for certain that if we had gone 1-0 up after say 39 minutes rather than 81, we were going to do better in the end ?

All in all I fail to understand the lamentations when last year we had a 3-3 aggregate result again against the same team and when in fact they rank well in Europe, at this level (we can't take it away from them).

agree with your point there, but the only thing i can say is that last year we had a team with lesser quality than this year. and we were playing vs 10 men for most of the game,

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I don't think Psg are better, the two teams are in the same level maybe Chelsea have something extra, but it is clear that PSG had more heart, and play a better football for me.

Mourinho has many responsibilities of this defeat.

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Hey guys!

Just so happy for defeating you yesterday. PSG totally deserved to go through!

Mourinho didn't respect the club and he got punished. He also got punished by David Luiz who played two incredible games. He definitely worth 50M don't you think?

Your coach was probably the best a few years ago but he changed. To win, you have to play football and yesterday, his team didn't play. Almost no opportunities though you were one more on the pitch, it's unbelievable and unforgivable.

Besides, how can Costa end the game on the field? This player is the "bitchest" one I've ever seen. Matic also should have been sent off or at least booked! You should have got a penalty in the first half but apart from this mistake, you were clearly advantaged by the ref' and yet, you lost. I'm afraid your team and your coach are over rated... Hazard is brilliant against Blackburn but never decisive in big games!

Paris est M.A.G.I.Q.U.E ;)

A PSG Fan!

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Hey guys!

Just so happy for defeating you yesterday. PSG totally deserved to go through!

Mourinho didn't respect the club and he got punished. He also got punished by David Luiz who played two incredible games. He definitely worth 50M don't you think?

Your coach was probably the best a few years ago but he changed. To win, you have to play football and yesterday, his team didn't play. Almost no opportunities though you were one more on the pitch, it's unbelievable and unforgivable.

Besides, how can Costa end the game on the field? This player is the "bitchest" one I've ever seen. Matic also should have been sent off or at least booked! You should have got a penalty in the first half but apart from this mistake, you were clearly advantaged by the ref' and yet, you lost. I'm afraid your team and your coach are over rated... Hazard is brilliant against Blackburn but never decisive in big games!

Paris est M.A.G.I.Q.U.E ;)

A PSG Fan!

as a Psg Fan i don't agree, Chelsea is clearly top 5 teams in the world, sure a more solid team than Real and Barca. Hazard is a fantastic player, and was a constant danger, but I think Mourinho, very limited him.

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Yes the team was built illegally! You broke the rules to get the team you have right now. This isn't about Chelsea, when the rules were implemented it gave everyone, including PSG 3yrs to get their house in order and you failed and were sanctioned. What we did and are STILL doing is perfectly in the rules of the game... What you guys attempted to do and failed at is breaking them.

Who are Paris' top players? Zlatan is marching towards the glue factory and Cavani, while being paid a kings ransom isn't really a talismanic figure for PSG is he? Thiago Silva is a stud! David Luis is our reject... Verratti has a long way to go before he can be considered a top player and Pastore rightfully struggles to get into your squad. Moura I like but there is little evidence he is a world class player. So who am I missing in all of this? Motta? Matuidi?

Diego Costa love him or hate him is one of the worlds best strikers, he proved it in La Liga and is proving it in the EPL. Hazard and Courtois are without question world class or thereabouts and Fabregas is definitely one of the best midfielders in the world. You would also be hard pressed to find a better defensive midfielder in world football than Matic. Who on your squad even comes close to Matic and Fabregas?

What is Silva gonna say? This is the 3rd best team I've played for? hahaha! Take what a player says with a grain of salt.

You say we underestimated PSG, you could be right, but in saying that aren't you alluding to the fact we have the superior team? PSG played their asses off, no one will say they didn't. They went out and actually won the tie without actually winning to be honest. My hats off to your squad for getting a result like that against the odds for sure. We clearly didn't play to our potential and tactically didn't get it right, but I fail to see where you can now draw conclusions that you are the better squad.

You can't be serious... Coming from the very first team built by a russian bilionnaire...

And FPF is not a law... it's only a rule that apply to uefa competition... And it might be illegal according to european law (it's beeing currently discused in European court). So get a hold of yourself, it's embarassing...

As for our players, yes Zlatan is getting old... but we actually didn't need him to tie you 2-2 10v11 on wednesday... Cavani isn't that good in French L1, but he scored 6 goals this year in Champion's League. How many for Diego Costa???

The only 2 players I would take from your team are Hazard and Courtois. To be honest, if it wasn't for Courtois, we would have won 4 or 5-1 in the first leg... And I wouldn't be proud to call Luiz "our reject". He's the one who won the game for you last year against us, and he was just awesome last wednesday...

In addition, don't talk about fatigue... You guys got out of the cup after loosing to somme 5th division team so that you could have a full week of rest before the 1st game. You also got a full week before the second one. We are still playing 4 competitions, and we play every 3 or 4 days since January!

We won because our player wanted to win more thant yours, that's it. Both team have amazing assets, but this year you lacked fighting spirit, which is odd considering how strong Chelsea used to be on that point over the last decade.

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Yes the team was built illegally! You broke the rules to get the team you have right now. This isn't about Chelsea, when the rules were implemented it gave everyone, including PSG 3yrs to get their house in order and you failed and were sanctioned. What we did and are STILL doing is perfectly in the rules of the game... What you guys attempted to do and failed at is breaking them.

Who are Paris' top players? Zlatan is marching towards the glue factory and Cavani, while being paid a kings ransom isn't really a talismanic figure for PSG is he? Thiago Silva is a stud! David Luis is our reject... Verratti has a long way to go before he can be considered a top player and Pastore rightfully struggles to get into your squad. Moura I like but there is little evidence he is a world class player. So who am I missing in all of this? Motta? Matuidi?

Diego Costa love him or hate him is one of the worlds best strikers, he proved it in La Liga and is proving it in the EPL. Hazard and Courtois are without question world class or thereabouts and Fabregas is definitely one of the best midfielders in the world. You would also be hard pressed to find a better defensive midfielder in world football than Matic. Who on your squad even comes close to Matic and Fabregas?

What is Silva gonna say? This is the 3rd best team I've played for? hahaha! Take what a player says with a grain of salt.

You say we underestimated PSG, you could be right, but in saying that aren't you alluding to the fact we have the superior team? PSG played their asses off, no one will say they didn't. They went out and actually won the tie without actually winning to be honest. My hats off to your squad for getting a result like that against the odds for sure. We clearly didn't play to our potential and tactically didn't get it right, but I fail to see where you can now draw conclusions that you are the better squad.

We broke the rules according to you but we paid for it this season. With no FFP we might have had Messi and Ronaldo in the squad.

Like someone doing a mistake, then paying for it then he is clean. We are in that situation. Consider the team built with the sanctions over the period.

After, I won't get into the comparisons you are looking for as I can perceive some irrational passion. My conviction is that Chelsea players are not top players except Hazard and Courtois or have been or will be :

Were better before: Terry, Fabregas, Drogba, Cahil, ivanovic

Average players in ligue 1 : Zouma / Azpi

Good good players but overated : Diego Costa / Oscar

Top players : Hasard, Courtois

Good good players" Matic / Ramires / Wilian

If I was a manager with all the money I can possibly imagine, the only players I would take would be Hazard and Courtois

If I do the same exercice with Real / Barca or Bayern that's nowhere near

If you look at the games, Chelsea didn't exist for 2 games. It is not me who says it - it is everybody - there might be a reason beyond referee, fighting spirit or Mourinho tactics...For me, we are just better. And we are inferior to Real / Bayern / Barca / even Atletico. As simple as that. Doesn't mean Chelsea is a average team.

But please do continue to underestimate us ...

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Hey guys,

Sorry to come back just now, I know it is not very brave now Paris won. I think everything has been said about the game so I have nothing to add for the moment.

Like last year, the result is the same, both times the team that deserved to pass passed in the last minutes ... Anyway, you got knocked out but you won the League Cup and will win the Premier League, not that bad.

Who are Paris' top players? Zlatan is marching towards the glue factory and Cavani, while being paid a kings ransom isn't really a talismanic figure for PSG is he? Thiago Silva is a stud! David Luis is our reject... Verratti has a long way to go before he can be considered a top player and Pastore rightfully struggles to get into your squad. Moura I like but there is little evidence he is a world class player. So who am I missing in all of this? Motta? Matuidi?

Diego Costa love him or hate him is one of the worlds best strikers, he proved it in La Liga and is proving it in the EPL. Hazard and Courtois are without question world class or thereabouts and Fabregas is definitely one of the best midfielders in the world. You would also be hard pressed to find a better defensive midfielder in world football than Matic.

So basically Paris completely dominated the first leg, played better than Chelsea in the second leg with only 10 men and Chelsea are still better? Be honnest at least.

About Diego Costa, you strangely forgot to mention how great he did during the World Cup and the Champions League. Hazard is a world class player? Against Sunderland or QPR, yes he is. In big european games, he is just a regular player. About Courtois, I totally agree with you. But the fact that he had so many chances to show it should be a big worry to you. Because without him, Paris could have almost passed after the first leg.

About fatigue, sure Paris had a break during the winter, Chelsea did not. But Chelsea also had 6 days to prepare both games.

Do not get me wrong, I still consider Chelsea a great team. But I feel like you're still thinking "we are the best team in the best league in the world so we are one of the best teams in the world". I love watching EPL games so I can say that this is still the most entertaining league in the world but the golden age is over for the moment. Liverpool got eliminated by Basel, you got knocked out, Man City will get knocked out and Arsenal will probably get knocked out by Monaco.

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agree with your point there, but the only thing i can say is that last year we had a team with lesser quality than this year. and we were playing vs 10 men for most of the game,

PSG at the same time improved and I can't really use a dynamometer to give precise measurements in Newtons !

I have already stated that I 'd like to see faster action by our attackers, like Real for example (in those days they play seriously). The endless litany of back passing does n't work.

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So basically Paris completely dominated the first leg, played better than Chelsea in the second leg with only 10 men and Chelsea are still better? Be honnest at least.

About Diego Costa, you strangely forgot to mention how great he did during the World Cup and the Champions League. Hazard is a world class player? Against Sunderland or QPR, yes he is. In big european games, he is just a regular player. About Courtois, I totally agree with you. But the fact that he had so many chances to show it should be a big worry to you. Because without him, Paris could have almost passed after the first leg.

About fatigue, sure Paris had a break during the winter, Chelsea did not. But Chelsea also had 6 days to prepare both games.

Do not get me wrong, I still consider Chelsea a great team. But I feel like you're still thinking "we are the best team in the best league in the world so we are one of the best teams in the world". I love watching EPL games so I can say that this is still the most entertaining league in the world but the golden age is over for the moment. Liverpool got eliminated by Basel, you got knocked out, Man City will get knocked out and Arsenal will probably get knocked out by Monaco.

You performed better over the 2 legs no doubt about that but we are the better team. We have better players but we've been going through a slump since new year.

We've played 15 games this year and have only played well in 2 games. Most of the other games we did just enough to win them but that's about it.

If we played the way we did in the beginning of the season we would have beaten you and gone through to the next round. atm we just have too many players that are off form.

Costa is one of the players that is off form. Like chelsea legend said he's a proven goalscorer in the spanish league and in the PL. He IS a worldclass striker (poacher) but he's just off form.

Hazard just a regular player ? :lol: Don't be ridiculous. Your club has been after him since forever and he's repeatedly turned you guys down.

Sounds to me like you're just bitter that he slammed the door in your faces once and for all by saying he'll never play for another French team besides Lille.

Seems like you guys finally took the hint(s) after Hazard stated for the 1000th time that he didn't want to go to your team. ^_^

About the first leg, thought the first half was quite even between the 2 teams. Second half you did dominate us but while you did have a number of good chances i didn't think Courtois had to make any real WC saves.

The saves he made were saves that i expect a goalkeeper at this level to make.

About the second leg, though we were slightly better in the opening 30 minutes. We made life difficult for you with our pressing and Hazard had some real joy down that right-hand side of yours.

We both had our dangerous moments but we also both lacked the final pass to score. After the red card we stopped pressing and allowed you to get into the game. As the game continued you guys got better and better and in that second half you played better with 10 men then we did with 11 and in the end both teams got what they deserved based on both legs.

Golden age might be over but the PL is still one of the best leagues in the world. It's still the most competitive and most physical league out there for me.

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First match at the bridge since 2009. Was a really disappointing performance in many aspects for me. I think jose still wants to be the man that says we go ahead in the game we will shut up shop and you won't score, arrogantly. Unfortunately this isn't the team of 10 years ago, I feel that we have lost some winners in the team. Ash, Frank, Didier only coming on late on. Call it whatever you want but they had that winning character in games like this. I question cesc, Oscar, Ramires in particular.

People blame mourinho but first time I've seen him go 2 up top in a while. He's been let down by the players as much as us. I thought psg were outstanding aswell.

The crowd for me was terrible. A couple in front of me left after 60 mins. A boy to the right of me left after 65 mins. Wtf! This was the East stand, didn't want to be in there but hey ho. MH looked good but we still don't generate noise levels that we should be in a big European tie. It's almost like people are embarrassed to get vocal. Too many business types bringing along potential customers and charging their companies for tickets etc. that's what it seems like to me. Fuck them. Let the real fans back to the bridge and if the stadium was like what for example celtic park or anfield was on European nights, we would never have lost that game on Wednesday. Just my thoughts guys.

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We broke the rules according to you but we paid for it this season. With no FFP we might have had Messi and Ronaldo in the squad.

Like someone doing a mistake, then paying for it then he is clean. We are in that situation. Consider the team built with the sanctions over the period.

After, I won't get into the comparisons you are looking for as I can perceive some irrational passion. My conviction is that Chelsea players are not top players except Hazard and Courtois or have been or will be :

Were better before: Terry, Fabregas, Drogba, Cahil, ivanovic

Average players in ligue 1 : Zouma / Azpi

Good good players but overated : Diego Costa / Oscar

Top players : Hasard, Courtois

Good good players" Matic / Ramires / Wilian

If I was a manager with all the money I can possibly imagine, the only players I would take would be Hazard and Courtois

If I do the same exercice with Real / Barca or Bayern that's nowhere near

If you look at the games, Chelsea didn't exist for 2 games. It is not me who says it - it is everybody - there might be a reason beyond referee, fighting spirit or Mourinho tactics...For me, we are just better. And we are inferior to Real / Bayern / Barca / even Atletico. As simple as that. Doesn't mean Chelsea is a average team.

But please do continue to underestimate us ...

Hey guys,

Sorry to come back just now, I know it is not very brave now Paris won. I think everything has been said about the game so I have nothing to add for the moment.

Like last year, the result is the same, both times the team that deserved to pass passed in the last minutes ... Anyway, you got knocked out but you won the League Cup and will win the Premier League, not that bad.

So basically Paris completely dominated the first leg, played better than Chelsea in the second leg with only 10 men and Chelsea are still better? Be honnest at least.

About Diego Costa, you strangely forgot to mention how great he did during the World Cup and the Champions League. Hazard is a world class player? Against Sunderland or QPR, yes he is. In big european games, he is just a regular player. About Courtois, I totally agree with you. But the fact that he had so many chances to show it should be a big worry to you. Because without him, Paris could have almost passed after the first leg.

About fatigue, sure Paris had a break during the winter, Chelsea did not. But Chelsea also had 6 days to prepare both games.

Do not get me wrong, I still consider Chelsea a great team. But I feel like you're still thinking "we are the best team in the best league in the world so we are one of the best teams in the world". I love watching EPL games so I can say that this is still the most entertaining league in the world but the golden age is over for the moment. Liverpool got eliminated by Basel, you got knocked out, Man City will get knocked out and Arsenal will probably get knocked out by Monaco.

You can't be serious... Coming from the very first team built by a russian bilionnaire...

And FPF is not a law... it's only a rule that apply to uefa competition... And it might be illegal according to european law (it's beeing currently discused in European court). So get a hold of yourself, it's embarassing...

As for our players, yes Zlatan is getting old... but we actually didn't need him to tie you 2-2 10v11 on wednesday... Cavani isn't that good in French L1, but he scored 6 goals this year in Champion's League. How many for Diego Costa???

The only 2 players I would take from your team are Hazard and Courtois. To be honest, if it wasn't for Courtois, we would have won 4 or 5-1 in the first leg... And I wouldn't be proud to call Luiz "our reject". He's the one who won the game for you last year against us, and he was just awesome last wednesday...

In addition, don't talk about fatigue... You guys got out of the cup after loosing to somme 5th division team so that you could have a full week of rest before the 1st game. You also got a full week before the second one. We are still playing 4 competitions, and we play every 3 or 4 days since January!

We won because our player wanted to win more thant yours, that's it. Both team have amazing assets, but this year you lacked fighting spirit, which is odd considering how strong Chelsea used to be on that point over the last decade.

The fact you guys are coming to a Chelsea fan forum 3 days after the game to attempt to talk up your team speaks volumes about what a small team you guys are. When Chelsea win a big game we talk about it amongst ourselves then move onto the next one hrs later... All of you are similar to the to a guy with a small dick who buys a big fancy car to compensate for what you don't have between your legs.

You guys won, finally, congratulations! You're entire club have celebrated it like you won the cup, I expected to see your owner to hand out medals the way you guys carried on.... We've won it already! You guys haven't even been to a finals! Get there first, better yet get past a Q-finals then start talking. The truth of the matter is you guys needed this a lot more than we did because your confidence is so low, you spend and spend and spend and all you have to show for it is a couple of q-finals and a couple ligue 1 titles(A league that no one cares about or watches) and a sanctioning.

Honestly, no sarcasm involved here, good luck! After the Souleymane S fiasco we didn't deserve to beat you guys, much like last year when your fans were throwing and spitting on disabled fans. The football Gods have spoken, you guys are the victors, now move on! Not just from this discussion group or with your lives but also in the Cup! get past a Q-finals for once.

We're still carefree because we are one of the elite clubs in the world. You guy have so much to do to be considered one of us.

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I subbed to Juventus forum and wished them to beat Olympiakos Piraeus 7-0. But that was that.

Also Anderlecht last year and they told me "don't have any hopes with us".

I don't make other clubs supporters unhappy.

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PSG fans can celebrate now, but no one will remember that a month from now when they will get kicked out of the CL.

We will (probably) lift the title at May, our second trophy of the season. PSG are losing the title with the biggest budget in France.

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