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wasnt coleman who first trying to wind costa to get him sent off? i think costa did that back in retaliation at coleman for getting a y/c for him. stupid and childish, but i would had probably mock at coleman too.

howard's reaction was unncessary.

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I saw numerous comments raising the question as to how would Fabregas fit in a Mourinho's team if Juan Mata (and to a lesser extent de Bruyne) could not. It is to misunderstand what was the situation

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Already has more medals for Chelsea than Arsenal.

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After the goal, Fabregas actually turns and celebrates with the Chelsea fans who are seated in the stand the cameras are situated in. Then he picks the ball up and actually pulls Costa away from the melee to calm him down, which is exactly what he needed.

Think some people are making mountains out of molehills. I remember some people saying another player who spent 8 years at Arsenal before joining us in his mid-20s would never be 'proper Chelsea'.

Howard comes running out moaning but literally at the split second he goes for Costa, Fabregas turns his head. As soon as he turns back around and sees Costa and Howard he pulls Costa (who is already on a booking) away. He does the right thing. Anyway, that's far too much time spent talking about a complete non-incident.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-MGbWwyoSo

LOL FOREVER

he kept discussing and quoting people who disagreed about what he described as Cesc's actions - but he never answered or quoted your post and video that show evidence that what he said is bollocks and not only he's wrong but saying something that's not true (even though I don't think on purpose). I never ceases to amuse me... but it's funny seeing him answering everyone's post and debating about his weird take of the events, but ignoring your facts about what really happened...

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LOL FOREVER

he kept discussing and quoting people who disagreed about what he described as Cesc's actions - but he never answered or quoted your post and video that show evidence that what he said is bollocks and not only he's wrong but saying something that's not true (even though I don't think on purpose). I never ceases to amuse me... but it's funny seeing him answering everyone's post and debating about his weird take of the events, but ignoring your facts about what really happened...

Facts?

So u actually can't see cesc looking right at howard charging cesc? He looks right staright at him. Right before he makes a 180 degree turn to catch the ball, he is looking rigjt at howard.

TOPTB says it as if cesc does not that this is happening. That he turns his head rihht at the instant where howard goes for costa that he turns as if he was unaware of tje situation. Which is crazy!!! Look at tje video damn it!!! Just look at it!!! Costa knows howard is coning dor him cos I can bet that he would be screaming and abusing, u think cesc don't hear.

I mean for the love of god just look at the video. Cesc probably even gives a reaction to howard just before turning. A nod of head, rigjt before he turns and howard grabs costa.

I dint reply to toptb's post cos it was just WRONG!! And also as everone said, it was a non-issue and simply dint want it to get any furthwr.

But this "sisterhood of the travelling pants" thing is getting beyond ridiculous.

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Facts?

So u actually can't see cesc looking right at howard charging cesc? He looks right staright at him. Right before he makes a 180 degree turn to catch the ball, he is looking rigjt at howard.

TOPTB says it as if cesc does not that this is happening. That he turns his head rihht at the instant where howard goes for costa that he turns as if he was unaware of tje situation. Which is crazy!!! Look at tje video damn it!!! Just look at it!!! Costa knows howard is coning dor him cos I can bet that he would be screaming and abusing, u think cesc don't hear.

I mean for the love of god just look at the video. Cesc probably even gives a reaction to howard just before turning. A nod of head, rigjt before he turns and howard grabs costa.

I dint reply to toptb's post cos it was just WRONG!! And also as everone said, it was a non-issue and simply dint want it to get any furthwr.

But this "sisterhood of the travelling pants" thing is getting beyond ridiculous.

what happened after he got the ball though? He quickly dropped it and got Costa out of the situation.

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What are we even arguing about?! :lol:

As if that one incident, whatever happened in it, proves on thing or the other...

but the main thing is that what he said happened never did in the first place. So it isn't about what Cesc's attitude represents, but how he acted in the first place. TOPTB's description of the facts matches the vid he posted and Cesc never ignored the situation. Actually he was the one that embraced Costa and took him away from the crowd of players. The point isn't of what it says or not about Cesc, but how what didierforever described never happened in the first place...

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but the main thing is that what he said happened never did in the first place. So it isn't about what Cesc's attitude represents, but how he acted in the first place. TOPTB's description of the facts matches the vid he posted and Cesc never ignored the situation. Actually he was the one that embraced Costa and took him away from the crowd of players. The point isn't of what it says or not about Cesc, but how what didierforever described never happened in the first place...

Even less reason to discuss it any further :)

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Facts?

So u actually can't see cesc looking right at howard charging cesc? He looks right staright at him. Right before he makes a 180 degree turn to catch the ball, he is looking rigjt at howard.

TOPTB says it as if cesc does not that this is happening. That he turns his head rihht at the instant where howard goes for costa that he turns as if he was unaware of tje situation. Which is crazy!!! Look at tje video damn it!!! Just look at it!!! Costa knows howard is coning dor him cos I can bet that he would be screaming and abusing, u think cesc don't hear.

I mean for the love of god just look at the video. Cesc probably even gives a reaction to howard just before turning. A nod of head, rigjt before he turns and howard grabs costa.

I dint reply to toptb's post cos it was just WRONG!! And also as everone said, it was a non-issue and simply dint want it to get any furthwr.

But this "sisterhood of the travelling pants" thing is getting beyond ridiculous.

I can see Cesc seeing Howard running towards someone and turning around probably brushing it off as nothing. The moment he turns around is when howard actually charges Costa. Then when he turns around yet again he sees the confusion and promptly gets involved and is actually the one to put Costa apart.

Your main point here seems to be a comparison between Ramires and Cesc (you posted this same paragraph of words in three different threads, two of them being Cesc and Ramires) - which quite honestly - is laughable. Ramires is the guy who's got a suspension for elbowing someone or for creating this kind of situation in the first place. It's no wonder he runs across the box to get involved... We should be thankful he didn't pick a yellow out of it. In that case, I'm even more thankful if our players don't get involved in this kind of quarrel.

and what sisterhood of traveling pants you're talking about? I don't have any idea how big or small TOPTB is, but I'm sure my size 2 jeans doesn't fit him. nice try though (or not).

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I don't know if it's been mentioned already but I've just seen the incident again and it's pretty clear to me what happened.

Costa picks up the ball, goads Coleman and then throws the ball away. Cesc doesn't see this but sees Howard running out. I believe Fabregas thought Howard went to get the ball from Costa to restart the game quickly, that's why he turned around to give Howard the ball. In fact he was trying to defuse any potential situation. But by the times he's picked the ball up and turned around he sees all the drama. :lol:

Fabregas wasn't scared, he just didn't have a clue what was going on.

Just look at Fabregas here:

http://gfycat.com/ScratchyInsidiousArabianwildcat

I'm not sure anymore what the hell was going on there, but the mere concept of Fabregas being scared of an altercation is hilarious. That kid wasn't scared of altercations with big boys when he was 16-17. :lol:

Kevin Mirallas stamps on Cesc Fabregas’ arm, Chelsea man hits back with cheeky response.

Now that's hilarious.

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I can see Cesc seeing Howard running towards someone and turning around probably brushing it off as nothing. The moment he turns around is when howard actually charges Costa. Then when he turns around yet again he sees the confusion and promptly gets involved and is actually the one to put Costa apart.

Your main point here seems to be a comparison between Ramires and Cesc (you posted this same paragraph of words in three different threads, two of them being Cesc and Ramires) - which quite honestly - is laughable. Ramires is the guy who's got a suspension for elbowing someone or for creating this kind of situation in the first place. It's no wonder he runs across the box to get involved... We should be thankful he didn't pick a yellow out of it. In that case, I'm even more thankful if our players don't get involved in this kind of quarrel.

and what sisterhood of traveling pants you're talking about? I don't have any idea how big or small TOPTB is, but I'm sure my size 2 jeans doesn't fit him. nice try though (or not).

So this is one version where cesc sees howard running towards "sonething".

There was TOPTB's version of cesc not knowing.

The first guy who quoted me said that cesc was "disgusted" with what costa said and hence turned around.

All of these are "versions" of the same video that people are watching. Yet, some of the people are so quick to judge others opinions even though they themselves are not sure of wht happened.

I ll go with the latter one. I think cesc knew exactly what he was doing. He dint want to get involved in the altercation. Fair enough to him. But like I said it to the person before, I think a player should have stood up for his teammate. And I loved it that azpi and rambo did that. That's exactly what I woulf have done.

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So this is one version where cesc sees howard running towards "sonething".

There was TOPTB's version of cesc not knowing.

The first guy who quoted me said that cesc was "disgusted" with what costa said and hence turned around.

All of these are "versions" of the same video that people are watching. Yet, some of the people are so quick to judge others opinions even though they themselves are not sure of wht happened.

I ll go with the latter one. I think cesc knew exactly what he was doing. He dint want to get involved in the altercation. Fair enough to him. But like I said it to the person before, I think a player should have stood up for his teammate. And I loved it that azpi and rambo did that. That's exactly what I woulf have done.

FFS. There's a reason I dislike reading Oscar's thread.

Fine:

1) Whatever the reason for Cesc's not interfering immediately ( a) he was uncomfortable with Costa's behavior; b.) he didn't see the altercation coming; c) he thought Howard went to get the ball from Costa to restart the game quickly, that's why he turned around to give Howard the ball), whatever the reason is, he did end up being involved in the altercation. He was the one who pulled Costa away and tried to calm him down. Yet you keep ignoring it.

2) He stood up for his teammates plenty of times this season, but you keep ignoring it too because it doesn't suit your argument. Watch Chelsea-Burnley highlights . 6:50. Cesc is the first to run to the referee and try to defend Costa when the referee wanted to give Costa a yellow. JT had to actually push him back. You seriously think that guy would shy away from the altercation? Seriously? Fabregas is many things but shy, quiet and indifferent isn't one of them. He's the guy who wasn't scared to fight with the big-name players like Lampard when he was a teen. Hell, he's the kid who threw a pizza at Sir Alex Ferguson and caused the infamous pizzagate when he was 17. :lol:

Fabregas is the last guy I'd suspect of shying away from an altercation.

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well, talking about what really matters, I think it's apparent he's struggling a bit to get reacclimatized to the physicality of the league. After three years in the cake walk known as La Liga (in terms of physicality, theirs might be one of the lightest leagues in the world), he's feeling a bit the rhythm in EPL even if he played 8 years here before...

I don't feel like he gave up on running sometimes because he was lazy, but because he didn't have gas in his tank. He's the kind of player that doesn't bottle (at least I don't think so), and he seems committed enough with the team - despite some opinions around here... so I suppose he's just physically struggling, which is where Oscar compliments him so well, he takes from where Cesc stops and keeps it going, although of course, not at all times.

Our midfield problems in the first two matches weren't big and weren't related to him imo, but yesterday he had a bad day in the office controlling the midfield just like the other two. At some point he was well marked by Barry as well, and also had trouble dictating the tempo, linking up our attack, etc... That's again where Oscar is important. As useful as Ramires is and as physical as he can get, opposition doesn't pay him much attention when we have the ball and more often than not his passing is atrocious. Oscar hasn't been passing on his best either, but except for the assists and very high in the pitch - nearly Everton's box - Ramires didn't offer anything to relieve the midfield. Remember how we were criticizing Oscar (and then I said it was a team thing, not only an Oscar thing) to pass (or get rid of) the ball quickly in triangles? Well that was effective to keep possession, gaining time, fooling the opposition. While Everton's midfield is a huge upgrade to Leicester's and Burnley's I missed that quick exchange of passes and as I said after the Burnley match I think it's Mourinho's request because he commentated on training that kind of situation as we've been some bits of drills like that on CTV. We missed it yesterday because it tires down the opposition, they have to keep running from one side to the other trying to intercept the quick passes, until any of the involved players passes it somewhere else. It's confusing, it's tiring and quite effective, even if there's no creativity coming from that.

Football these days is such a tactical sport, it's not only about defending and attacking anymore, there are a lot of variables involved and those quick pass exchanges that at first glance look like waste and lack of creativity play an important role tiring the opposition and may even lead to mistakes as after a few times the opponent may want to guess what's the next pass and offer an open. It's a good way to create spaces if done well.

Cesc continues to be one of our best players imo and one of the responsible for our change compared to last season, but I think we haven't seen his best yet (obviously) because I think he's still going to need some time (though not much) to acclimatize himself again in the league. Once this mini-transition is over I think our midfield will look better.

I want to see a combo of Matic - Cesc - Oscar + Willian although I still believe our best combo is Matic - Cesc - Oscar + Schurrle. It would be nice to see Matic - Ramires - Oscar/Cesc too.

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I don't feel like he gave up on running sometimes because he was lazy, but because he didn't have gas in his tank.

Contrary to the popular belief, he actually ran the 2nd most in the team after Matic with 7.6 miles if I remember correctly.

Agree with most of the rest of your post though.

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Contrary to the popular belief, he actually ran the 2nd most in the team after Matic with 7.6 miles if I remember correctly.

Agree with most of the rest of your post though.

I'm wondering the reason why he stopped running, but I caught him stopping his runs a few times... for me it was clear he was tired or out of gas, but no doubt sometimes he stopped running - although I remember this happening more often we had the ball (it happened only a couple as far as I can remember when Everton had it).

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Contrary to the popular belief, he actually ran the 2nd most in the team after Matic with 7.6 miles if I remember correctly.

Agree with most of the rest of your post though.

Do you know where I can find the stats on distance run for all players? Can't find it anywhere.

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