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Team will rarely win anything significant by signing just inexperienced kids with big potential, never a bad idea to balance things out with a couple experienced world class players. Vidal is turning 30 by next season but that's hardly too old, he should have at least a good 3-4 years in him and he already knows Conte's system well so would assume adaptation period to be minimal.
Vidal or Nainggolan would be perfect but don't think we'll get either. Can't think of any reason why Bayern would be tempted to sell because it's not like their season is going that well and they'd need a replacement, which is difficult in January. And even if he were to go, the player himself would probably prefer a summer move in off-season to get one more league title and a CL title push with Bayern first before moving.


The price is the issue. £40m isn't good business IMO.
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age24 11/12 7.68 - Juventus
age25 12/13 7.77 - Juventus
age26 13/14 7.46 - Juventus
age27 14/15 7.34 - Juventus
Sold to Munich for €40m
age28 15/16 7.40 - Munich 
age29 16/17 6.99 - Munich

 

This is his whoscored ratings for last 6 years. I take whoscored rating with grain of salt but can be a good measurement to see how players performed in yearly basis. He is surely in decline(albeit still a good player he is) and 2 yrs older than he was when Munich got him for £34m and why the heck we need to splash £40m for soon-to-be 30 yrs old player who is in decline? Not a good business if you ask me. 

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Chelsea are planning to sign Bayern Munich's Arturo Vidal in the January transfer window. The midfielder had already played under Antonio Conte in his Juventus days and he is one of Conte's favourite players.

The Blues made a huge sum recently with Oscar's transfer to a Chinese team. Conte told that he will be spending money sensibly in the transfer window and sign only if he really needs the player.

http://www.batngoal.com/arturo-vidal-becomes-chelseas-target/

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16 minutes ago, Sasikumar said:

Chelsea are planning to sign Bayern Munich's Arturo Vidal in the January transfer window. The midfielder had already played under Antonio Conte in his Juventus days and he is one of Conte's favourite players.

The Blues made a huge sum recently with Oscar's transfer to a Chinese team. Conte told that he will be spending money sensibly in the transfer window and sign only if he really needs the player.

http://www.batngoal.com/arturo-vidal-becomes-chelseas-target/

Way I see it we have made enoygh out of Oscar to buy a player that will only cost us a few quid in this day and age. So whether we are going to buy him foir the present and get a great player at near his best form for 3 years or so then sell him to China and treble our investment then I'm all for it.

Either that or we invest it on the future and buy a player that will stay and grow with the team.

But in this day where the contract isn't worth the paper its written on and where its unusual for a player to stay the length of them then does it really matter?

Its whoever Conte thinks will suit us the best.

We have  just had him make a dig at whoever bought Bats saying

To spend for spending's sake, I don't like this. I prefer to buy players, adapt our system, people who can come into our team and pass.

So Bats was obviously a board buy.

 

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On 12/30/2016 at 10:48 PM, OneMoSalah said:

Im not sure why we are after another "destroyer" although he is a bit more than that but he is hardly a playmaker. We need someone like Cesc but more mobile and defensively aware.

Like who? These types aren't exactly plentiful

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Just now, Sideshow Luiz said:

Verratti.

Maybe Koke or Saul

Not that any of those 3 would be easy to get.

Kind of my point. Hard to see any of those names move before the summer if at all.

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4 minutes ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

Kind of my point. Hard to see any of those names move before the summer if at all.

You're right, and that's why players like this for teams like us are expensive.  Not many alternatives at a certain quality level.

When you can name, off the top of your head, the players that would fit what you want, they are going to cost a lot.

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Apparently we are looking!

Chelsea want more: already preparing two galactic signings

Https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.donbalon.com/noticia/detalle/44856/el-chelsea-quiere-mas--ya-prepara-dos-fichajes-galacticos&prev=search

Chelsea boss Antonio Conte believes Bundesliga duo can win Blues the title

CHELSEA have reportedly set their sights on signing Bayern Munich and Wolfsburg stars Arturo Vidal and Ricardo Rodriguez.

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/751541/Chelsea-Transfer-News-Antonio-Conte-Arturo-Vidal-Ricardo-Rodriguez-Bundesliga-Bayern-News

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He's a good player, though he shines best when he stands out.

When I first read about Vidal being linked with Chelsea, I felt he would be quite ideal but the more thought that goes into the potential move - the more I think the money could be better spent. It depends on if you want a player for more than a few seasons, he won't be at the highest standard forever and really the 40m could be used to sign a defender or a few players with potential. He would probably give 3-4 seasons where he was in his prime, and this for the price tag seems steep.

Certainly I think he's the right style of player who would be massive for the club, its just the price and his.

You've been linked with a few Real Madrid players, the likes of James Rodriguez (which is supposed to be off now) and of course West Ham's Dimitri Payet. These would be quite costly, though Payet may be the cheaper option (though I think he's no way near Vidal in terms of class).

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If you see a team with Vidal in their side, you expect them to be the league winners. If you see a team with Verratti in their side, you expect them to challenge for the title. We aren't investors, so I don't care about the fact these are different aged players, what we are is a football club which is expected to be at the very top, and this would go a long way to ensuring that remains the case for 2-3 years, which may be all we need to enter our next phase of dominance. Juventus do well without making sure everyone they buy is under 24, and so will we.

Take both these players, and hypothetically, add them to Madrid/Barcelona/Bayern/City individually. I say without a shadow of doubt that all those teams would be more imposing with Vidal. I can't actually imagine Verratti making any waves for Bayern/City/Madrid. Like I say, all he is is a tidy passer, so he's a fine watered down version of Xavi for the 3 teams in Europe that play the style of football which makes him useful.

1 of those teams being PSG. Who are woefully underperfoming. If he's such a team-changer, why on earth does PSG's midfield look like it's made of tree stumps? If Verratti is the difference between a team (us) winning or not winning a title, why is the current team he's in, barely even going to get into Europe next season? Cavani is on form. Thiago is on form. Both the attack and defence are being lead properly. It's the midfield PSG are losing, but you're not going to see why if a tidy pass is enough to amaze you for 5 minutes.

Put Vidal in PSG's current side and they'd be at least 2nd :dunno:

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9 hours ago, Leif said:

If you see a team with Vidal in their side, you expect them to be the league winners. If you see a team with Verratti in their side, you expect them to challenge for the title. We aren't investors, so I don't care about the fact these are different aged players, what we are is a football club which is expected to be at the very top, and this would go a long way to ensuring that remains the case for 2-3 years, which may be all we need to enter our next phase of dominance. Juventus do well without making sure everyone they buy is under 24, and so will we.

Take both these players, and hypothetically, add them to Madrid/Barcelona/Bayern/City individually. I say without a shadow of doubt that all those teams would be more imposing with Vidal. I can't actually imagine Verratti making any waves for Bayern/City/Madrid. Like I say, all he is is a tidy passer, so he's a fine watered down version of Xavi for the 3 teams in Europe that play the style of football which makes him useful.

1 of those teams being PSG. Who are woefully underperfoming. If he's such a team-changer, why on earth does PSG's midfield look like it's made of tree stumps? If Verratti is the difference between a team (us) winning or not winning a title, why is the current team he's in, barely even going to get into Europe next season? Cavani is on form. Thiago is on form. Both the attack and defence are being lead properly. It's the midfield PSG are losing, but you're not going to see why if a tidy pass is enough to amaze you for 5 minutes.

Put Vidal in PSG's current side and they'd be at least 2nd :dunno:

Vidal is going to his past prime relatively quickly.

Besides why compare us to Real and Bayern? They already have Modric, Kroos and Xabi, Thiago. They dont need another playmaker. We on the other hand do.

Even when Vidal was at top, juve had playmaker in Pirlo.

If we want to rule, we need playmaker. Kante-Vidal/Bakayoko is strong, but you need someone to pull the strings and dictate. 

Psg is shit as whole this year. Unfair to say Verratti is poor. Same was us last year, but you would still take Eden in heartbeat because of his quality.

If we pull Verratti deal, we will have top 5 midfielder for next 10 years if he stays here.

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7 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

Vidal is going to his past prime relatively quickly.

Besides why compare us to Real and Bayern? They already have Modric, Kroos and Xabi, Thiago. They dont need another playmaker. We on the other hand do.

Even when Vidal was at top, juve had playmaker in Pirlo.

If we want to rule, we need playmaker. Kante-Vidal/Bakayoko is strong, but you need someone to pull the strings and dictate. 

Psg is shit as whole this year. Unfair to say Verratti is poor. Same was us last year, but you would still take Eden in heartbeat because of his quality.

If we pull Verratti deal, we will have top 5 midfielder for next 10 years if he stays here.

I compare to Madrid because despite all of their playmakers, they'd be considered an even greater side, more capable of winning the CL again, by slotting Vidal into their side. As would City, as would Bayern as opposed to having Marco. Playmakers don't win games; strikers and defenders do. Your midfield can look however you want it to look.

If we want to rule, we do indeed need players capable of launching attacks, but the idea that a 'playmaker' has to be a central midfielder who plays alongside the main destroyer just pinging the ball around beautifully is bogus. Far too many incredible players are & have been the playmakers for their teams from the wing, or as a 2nd-striker, and that's what we'd benefit from far more. Who was our playmaker during our best 4-3-3 years when we had Lampard-Essien-Makelele/etc? I understand, times were different, but our wingers did then what wingers still do now - they provided the opportunities, while the midfield tried to make sure nothing got past them. There's no coincidence that system brought us more success than any other. 

If we sign Verratti, sure, we'll have a great midfielder.

But do you think Messi would still be hailed as the best in our team? He wouldn't. He'd go downhill, and his weaknesses would be most exposed in the Premier League, just like Verratti.

Just like if you take the best action actor in the world, and put him behind the camera of some group & directors who really only have lengthy experience in making chick-flick comedies, you get half-an-actor. We are not the team for Verratti; he would fail here, and again that is why Conte will not go for him. He's not prey to PR. He already knows the player and we'd know if he was interested, which he isn't.

As for the man Verratti on the inside; fuck a player who grew up supporting Juventus, wanted to play for them more than any other team, become Pirlo's heir even, yet didn't want to wait the 1 season it'd take for Juve to move some players around to get their funds in order, and jumped to PSG instead (Juve were more interested in him than any other player; he just needed to be rational in his patience.) What a damn weirdo.

Even the great Xavi wouldn't work in this system in this league. He'd have his moments over a season but not consistently be one of the top 5 midfielders. So why on earth would the watered down technically, watered down physically, version be better? Because he's more capable at 2-footed tackles? Because the majority say so? The majority who championed Alonso & Bats as greatness?

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6 hours ago, Leif said:

I compare to Madrid because despite all of their playmakers, they'd be considered an even greater side, more capable of winning the CL again, by slotting Vidal into their side. As would City, as would Bayern as opposed to having Marco. Playmakers don't win games; strikers and defenders do. Your midfield can look however you want it to look.

If we want to rule, we do indeed need players capable of launching attacks, but the idea that a 'playmaker' has to be a central midfielder who plays alongside the main destroyer just pinging the ball around beautifully is bogus. Far too many incredible players are & have been the playmakers for their teams from the wing, or as a 2nd-striker, and that's what we'd benefit from far more. Who was our playmaker during our best 4-3-3 years when we had Lampard-Essien-Makelele/etc? I understand, times were different, but our wingers did then what wingers still do now - they provided the opportunities, while the midfield tried to make sure nothing got past them. There's no coincidence that system brought us more success than any other. 

If we sign Verratti, sure, we'll have a great midfielder.

But do you think Messi would still be hailed as the best in our team? He wouldn't. He'd go downhill, and his weaknesses would be most exposed in the Premier League, just like Verratti.

Just like if you take the best action actor in the world, and put him behind the camera of some group & directors who really only have lengthy experience in making chick-flick comedies, you get half-an-actor. We are not the team for Verratti; he would fail here, and again that is why Conte will not go for him. He's not prey to PR. He already knows the player and we'd know if he was interested, which he isn't.

As for the man Verratti on the inside; fuck a player who grew up supporting Juventus, wanted to play for them more than any other team, become Pirlo's heir even, yet didn't want to wait the 1 season it'd take for Juve to move some players around to get their funds in order, and jumped to PSG instead (Juve were more interested in him than any other player; he just needed to be rational in his patience.) What a damn weirdo.

Even the great Xavi wouldn't work in this system in this league. He'd have his moments over a season but not consistently be one of the top 5 midfielders. So why on earth would the watered down technically, watered down physically, version be better? Because he's more capable at 2-footed tackles? Because the majority say so? The majority who championed Alonso & Bats as greatness?

How can you say that? Midfield is as crucial as is attack or defense. We got overrun in middle by spurs and we lost 2:0. And we defintely have better attack then them and at least equaly good defence based on form. Yet we lost. Because their midfield was too quick, strong and at same time technicaly brilliant to give us no chance. Against such midfield all you can do (if you want to control game) is to hide the ball. And players like Verratti are best. 

Madrid won two CLs with Modric-Kross. But obviously they would be stronger with Vidal since they already have playmakers. They dont need another one. We however only have destructors in Matic and Kante. Vidal would improve us, but Verratti-Kante-Matic sounds alot better than Matic-Kante-Vidal.

Besides you aint gonna get full of energy Vidal these days. His time of being allround runner are over. He is now much more composed and tidy player. Runs alot less. If we were to buy Vidal, we should have done it 3 years ago. He aint Yaya or Dembele to use sheer strenght either.

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9 hours ago, Leif said:

I compare to Madrid because despite all of their playmakers, they'd be considered an even greater side, more capable of winning the CL again, by slotting Vidal into their side. As would City, as would Bayern as opposed to having Marco. Playmakers don't win games; strikers and defenders do. Your midfield can look however you want it to look.

If we want to rule, we do indeed need players capable of launching attacks, but the idea that a 'playmaker' has to be a central midfielder who plays alongside the main destroyer just pinging the ball around beautifully is bogus. Far too many incredible players are & have been the playmakers for their teams from the wing, or as a 2nd-striker, and that's what we'd benefit from far more. Who was our playmaker during our best 4-3-3 years when we had Lampard-Essien-Makelele/etc? I understand, times were different, but our wingers did then what wingers still do now - they provided the opportunities, while the midfield tried to make sure nothing got past them. There's no coincidence that system brought us more success than any other. 

If we sign Verratti, sure, we'll have a great midfielder.

But do you think Messi would still be hailed as the best in our team? He wouldn't. He'd go downhill, and his weaknesses would be most exposed in the Premier League, just like Verratti.

Just like if you take the best action actor in the world, and put him behind the camera of some group & directors who really only have lengthy experience in making chick-flick comedies, you get half-an-actor. We are not the team for Verratti; he would fail here, and again that is why Conte will not go for him. He's not prey to PR. He already knows the player and we'd know if he was interested, which he isn't.

As for the man Verratti on the inside; fuck a player who grew up supporting Juventus, wanted to play for them more than any other team, become Pirlo's heir even, yet didn't want to wait the 1 season it'd take for Juve to move some players around to get their funds in order, and jumped to PSG instead (Juve were more interested in him than any other player; he just needed to be rational in his patience.) What a damn weirdo.

Even the great Xavi wouldn't work in this system in this league. He'd have his moments over a season but not consistently be one of the top 5 midfielders. So why on earth would the watered down technically, watered down physically, version be better? Because he's more capable at 2-footed tackles? Because the majority say so? The majority who championed Alonso & Bats as greatness?

You are seriously not making a case for being a smart person.
Being a football player is a job, and the footballing world is fickle. One year can change everything, Verratti could have broken his leg, Juventus could have changed their minds etc. It would be absolute idiotic to refuse such an opportunity as going to PSG. 

Other than that I concur with most other posters, Verratti has a lot going for him. I would love him here, but I have my concerns whether he is what Conte is targeting. 

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I really dont mind  which we bought. Vidal or Veratti.

Look. A Vidal for 3/4 years right now when hes needed would be great. And we would make a big sale on for him to China.

Yeah Veratti would make a good buy for longer prospects but theres no assurity he would hang around any longer than Vidal would be his fittest for.

I would like to think in this Conte era we would try to get a good spine of top class players that could stay together and grow for a long time and keep bringing in the best we can find to fill other positions hopefully upgrading current lads if the chances come. And throw only our best academy lad in but making sure he fits the squad and not just to hype them up.

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3 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

From Chile: Chelsea board agree to move for Arturo Vidal, Conte telephoned player

http://sportwitness.co.uk/chile-chelsea-board-agree-move-arturo-vidal-conte-telephoned-player/

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Brilliant player but He's 30 in may and Bayern will probably be looking £40m for him that's to much for 30 year old 

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