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Yep I agree but he is a bit too good for a back up and the club feel we could get some OK money for him. Has he even played this season yet? And because he is English, a bit well known in England and is still worth £5m. The club feel we could use those fund for better signings and who could blame them.

I'd much rather have a loyal and solid back up like him who has no problems being on the bench and delivers when called upon than some lousy 5m.

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2/3rds of our trio behind the striker in the 2012 final.

pathetic fans over here, I alway said he is the best english lb after Ashley... he is a superb player, fast as a thunderbolt, superb technique (you could see it when he was loand to championship and s

He's still needed here. all we have to do is switch azpi back to his natural position and let him be back up to filipe. The funny thing is that what he's doing this season at Southampton, He was also

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One thing from this article about Chelsea loaning players: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2541149/Chelseas-Bertrand-joins-Villa-loan-Mourinho-23-players-farmed-clubs.html

The picture of Omeruo and Chalobah in Middlesborough kits. Omeruo is doing a hand gesture which I have seen plenty of Chelsea players do on pictures.

Does anyone know what it means? If it means anything that is....

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I rate Bertrand highly, he always plays well when called upon and would have happily seen him start for us this season - or start more anyway. Although obviously if you don't rate him as highly then I can see why you may not be as bothered but I do think people who pass him off as just a 'dependable squad player, and nothing more' underestimate his ability.

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So if Mancienne waited and showed loyalty he would be in the team now ?

Cole has been in decline since 2010 and since then we have had 5 managers and not one made the change full time, you would think if he was THAT good then atleast one would have done it.

Bertrand is a good, solid dependable squad player but that's his ceiling.

In general we simply dont trust our young players and that is the problem. We would play Bertrand only if he would shine in another club and his worth would be like 30mio. Then we would spend that money and play him. Even if he wouldnt be any better than now, as long he would have hype and be proven. Its been always like that...

Ryan put good performances every time he played this year, but still Mou didnt trust him when Cole got injured. Its pathetic as it gets in our club and "new youth players project". Its not that player isnt good, its the board who dont give him a real shot. Couple straight games, is that such a problem? Same was with Danny...look, he aint doing bad is he??

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Just a theory but there is a chance that Jose has decided that Ashley Cole has not been good enough this season and may not offer him a new contract. Now, Bertrand loaned till the summer gives Jose the chance to get a fullback in now and when Cole leaves in the summer, Bertrand assumes the backup role again

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Why not just put him out of his misery and sell him permanently then. I have always believed that you sell players who aren't in the club or managers plan out of respect for the player rather than jerk them around. Kakuta is the perfect example of that in recent times (when it became increasingly clear that he was likely not going to make it here) and I'm afraid Bertrand is going that way under Mourinho as well because he simply doesn't rate him.

what's going to change when he gets back? back to square one i.e warming the bench regularly? complete waste of everyone's time.

Because this loan move puts him in the shop window. Let's not forget that the guy has barely played in the last 7 months, which for a professional footballer is an eternity. Bertrand has less minutes this season than Mark Schwarzer.

There's also the issue of selling players requiring a buyer. One team he was linked to was Liverpool - you want to help them out?

please try and understand what people here are saying and worried about. bertrand was the 3rd choice LB or more correctly put he was the 4th choice full back. no one here is disagreeing with this. right? but it is also true that bertrand was a good and a viable option.having some1 like bertrand in case of an injury/suspension to our full backs would still be an okay situation than what it is right now. injuries and suspensions to defenders is nothing new. during the CL final of 2011-12, we had 2 suspended defenders (JT and iva) and 2 defenders who were coming back from injuries and had not played a game in close to a month (GC and DL).

That's fine, but is it fair to Bertrand himself to keep him around when there's little chance of him playing? People bring up rubbish about Mourinho being unfair to him, yet how is this not the fairest thing he can do for someone not in his plans? Yes if Ivanovic, Azpi and Cole get injured then we might be in trouble, but that's the same for lots of clubs.

You don't make decisions based on worst-case scenarios. When that stuff does happen on the rare occasion then the best managers adjust, plugging gaps with the likes of Luiz at left-back and Kalas at right-back. Is it perfect? No.

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Am very dissapointed Betrand is not in Mourinho's plan..I thought after that Champions League sucess he was the heir aparent to the left back position..Personaly if I have to rate Betrand he is good enough to be in our squad and since Cole has past his best I thought he could eclipse him this year.. Injuries this year hasn't helped his cause either..I believe if Mourinho believed in him and gave him a descent run in the starting 11 we wouldn't need Shaw. The problem with us is we don't believe in the young talent in our team unless they shine else where... Hate to criticise but Mourinho being our Manager doesn't help our cause!

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That's fine, but is it fair to Bertrand himself to keep him around when there's little chance of him playing? People bring up rubbish about Mourinho being unfair to him, yet how is this not the fairest thing he can do for someone not in his plans? Yes if Ivanovic, Azpi and Cole get injured then we might be in trouble, but that's the same for lots of clubs.

You don't make decisions based on worst-case scenarios. When that stuff does happen on the rare occasion then the best managers adjust, plugging gaps with the likes of Luiz at left-back and Kalas at right-back. Is it perfect? No.

fair??? Yes it is fair. A playrr like bertrand, ba, essien know the risk of being a squad player in a big team like chelsea, being the 4th choice full back, 3rd choice striker or the 5/6th choice midfiders. Every squad has those players and more than that every squad needs players like these who can fill in the hole once in a whilr, put in a good to average performance and simply do their job. Bertrand was such a playrr.

Also I am sure no plane would fall down on azpi, iva and cole (talk about exagerratong a situation and taking a cheap shot), but none the less, we needed bertrand. We don't have a decent srriker (I am not using world class or even good here), we have pivot issues which I hope can be solved by matic and the last thing we would want is playing make shift left back or right back in the team

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Saw some quotes from Mourinho that Ake will be part of the first team as reserve defender now that Bertrand is on loan. Anyone know if he can play LB or is he mainly CB/CDM?

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fair??? Yes it is fair. A playrr like bertrand, ba, essien know the risk of being a squad player in a big team like chelsea, being the 4th choice full back, 3rd choice striker or the 5/6th choice midfiders. Every squad has those players and more than that every squad needs players like these who can fill in the hole once in a whilr, put in a good to average performance and simply do their job. Bertrand was such a playrr.

Oh, so Jose was being fair to Ryan since Ryan understood that he was only ever a squad player who would appear if 3 other players got injured?

Honestly the type of player you're describing doesn't sound like a specialist left-back but more like a John O'Shea who can fill in a multitude of positions if required. I actually think Luiz can fill that role for us as an emergency left or right-back.

Saw some quotes from Mourinho that Ake will be part of the first team as reserve defender now that Bertrand is on loan. Anyone know if he can play LB or is he mainly CB/CDM?

Perfect. Can play full-back in a pinch plus CB and in midfield. Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the Dutch John O'Shea.
Nathan O'Ake.
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Oh, so Jose was being fair to Ryan since Ryan understood that he was only ever a squad player who would appear if 3 other players got injured?

Honestly the type of player you're describing doesn't sound like a specialist left-back but more like a John O'Shea who can fill in a multitude of positions if required. I actually think Luiz can fill that role for us as an emergency left or right-back.

Perfect. Can play full-back in a pinch plus CB and in midfield. Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the Dutch John O'Shea.

Nathan O'Ake.

are we really going to talk semantixs here? While u conviniently left off my main point of squad strength and making up for our lack of strikers thru quality in other areas. But somehow " tha fair" point took precendence. As far as we are on the subject, I expected bertrand to probably start the 3 Coc matcjes, fa cup match, and a couple of league and CL matcjes here or there, specially since cole dint set the league on fire with his performances. So in that ways he was underused. But it would still mean bertrand sitting on the bench for a major part of the season and that is " fair".

And its so weird that u don't have a problem with an 18 year old ask and 20 year old kalas being underused ( or rather not used at all), rather than bertrand. Strange since I would be worried more about their "development" rather than bertrand's who one can say has done all the "developing" he could.

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And its so weird that u don't have a problem with an 18 year old ask and 20 year old kalas being underused ( or rather not used at all), rather than bertrand. Strange since I would be worried more about their "development" rather than bertrand's who one can say has done all the "developing" he could.

I did have a problem with Ake not being used and Kalas's injury came at the wrong time. Now they both look like they're part of the squad and that gives us decent cover.

I get that you liked Bertrand (or maybe the idea of him). You put him in your predicted team each week and each week he'd be overlooked. He wasn't being used in the team so now he's gone somewhere we he can get regular first-team football. That's great for him and we've lost a third-choice left-back who wasn't playing and replaced him with Ake. That's good for young Nathan too.

Honestly I can't be bothered talking about this further because it simply doesn't warrant it.

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I did have a problem with Ake not being used and Kalas's injury came at the wrong time. Now they both look like they're part of the squad and that gives us decent cover.

I get that you liked Bertrand (or maybe the idea of him). You put him in your predicted team each week and each week he'd be overlooked. He wasn't being used in the team so now he's gone somewhere we he can get regular first-team football. That's great for him and we've lost a third-choice left-back who wasn't playing and replaced him with Ake. That's good for young Nathan too.

Honestly I can't be bothered talking about this further because it simply doesn't warrant it.

after all we have debated, u go on and say that kalas and ake are "decent cover". If bertrand was not played what's the expectations of either of them one game (combined).

I did like bertrand as a playrr. Plus in all honesty I expected him to have a break thru season with mou but its gone totally the opposite way. Seems like a hard worker, has a great workrate, is solid defensively... seened so much like a mourinho playr. For some reason it simply dint work out.

Anyways by this point, I am out of points. Its safe to say u agree with the deal. I really don't.

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I rate Bertrand highly, he always plays well when called upon and would have happily seen him start for us this season - or start more anyway. Although obviously if you don't rate him as highly then I can see why you may not be as bothered but I do think people who pass him off as just a 'dependable squad player, and nothing more' underestimate his ability.

I have family in Reading and i was up there a lot when Ryan was at the club on loan and from that time i said what im saying now, he's decent at everything but isnt outstanding at anything, that formula makes for a good squad player.
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I did have a problem with Ake not being used and Kalas's injury came at the wrong time. Now they both look like they're part of the squad and that gives us decent cover.

I get that you liked Bertrand (or maybe the idea of him). You put him in your predicted team each week and each week he'd be overlooked. He wasn't being used in the team so now he's gone somewhere we he can get regular first-team football. That's great for him and we've lost a third-choice left-back who wasn't playing and replaced him with Ake. That's good for young Nathan too.

Honestly I can't be bothered talking about this further because it simply doesn't warrant it.

Even Bertrand's injury came at the wrong time. He was out injured until January. I think between Kalas, Bertrand and Ake, Bertrand is clearly my pick for squad player since there's only one other recognised left-back at the club and he isn't really playing extremely well this season either. Azpilicueta at left-back has been decent defensively but he had his best game at Right back vs Liverpool.

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Even Bertrand's injury came at the wrong time. He was out injured until January. I think between Kalas, Bertrand and Ake, Bertrand is clearly my pick for squad player since there's only one other recognised left-back at the club and he isn't really playing extremely well this season either. Azpilicueta at left-back has been decent defensively but he had his best game at Right back vs Liverpool.

So every time one of our players get injured, we send them out on loan? someone should have sent jose the memo regarding others who came back from injury as well like Luiz, torres et al

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So every time one of our players get injured, we send them out on loan? someone should have sent jose the memo regarding others who came back from injury as well like Luiz, torres et al

Football careers are about momentum. Bertrand's career was stalled by injuries a bit like Romeu's. He now gets a chance to start moving forward again in his career, maybe playing his way back into our first-team or more likely putting himself in the shop window for a move in the summer.

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