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4 hours ago, Jason said:

Exactly why I said I have no idea what squad is Lampard trying to build here.

Maybe he really wants to play like City?

          Pulisic   Werner  Willian/CHO

                  Havertz    Ziyech

                           Kante

 

It would open another place for Mount and RLC to play. Plus Ziyech can go on RW so Mount would start. Willian and CHO would still get plenty of game time.

Assuming Jorgi and Ross are sold. Kovacic would play deeper I guess.

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37 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Maybe he really wants to play like City?

          Pulisic   Werner  Willian/CHO

                  Havertz    Ziyech

                           Kante

 

It would open another place for Mount and RLC to play. Plus Ziyech can go on RW so Mount would start. Willian and CHO would still get plenty of game time.

Assuming Jorgi and Ross are sold. Kovacic would play deeper I guess.

Yeah, I agree, I think it is clear he is going for a 433/4231 (these are pretty easy to switch between):

                  Kante/Gilmour/Jorgi

      Mount/Kova.               Harvetz/RLC     

Ziyech/Willian.                            Puli/CHO 

                Werner/Tammy/Giroud     

That for me is a real squad. For the first time since that mid 00's we can say we have two players for every position. CHO for me, does not need to go as he will still get minutes. The ones to go will be Barkley + Jorgi (sale)/Gilmour (loan). Could maybe say we are heavy at CF if we're playing only 1 CF but Giroud is on a rolling 12 month contract so it is not crazy.    

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1 hour ago, King Kante said:

Yeah, I agree, I think it is clear he is going for a 433/4231 (these are pretty easy to switch between):

                  Kante/Gilmour/Jorgi

      Mount/Kova.               Harvetz/RLC     

Ziyech/Willian.                            Puli/CHO 

                Werner/Tammy/Giroud     

That for me is a real squad. For the first time since that mid 00's we can say we have two players for every position. CHO for me, does not need to go as he will still get minutes. The ones to go will be Barkley + Jorgi (sale)/Gilmour (loan). Could maybe say we are heavy at CF if we're playing only 1 CF but Giroud is on a rolling 12 month contract so it is not crazy.    

To be fair, we have enough quality cover and versatility in the squad to not re-sign willian. That 4th winger spot should go to a youth player (probably anjorin). Moreover we have mount who has played as a winger this season. Kai too. Werner too.

Do agree on your assessment though. The top part of the squad is shaping up quite beautifully. 

Now for the LB and GK.

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25 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

He would be like a dream signing for Arsenal....free, coming to the end of his career and they are that thick they will think they have got one over on us.

Willian, auba, laca. Their whole frontline would be on the wrong side of 30

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I would not mind Willian staying as a squad player (third or fourth option on the wing), but we all know FL is a big fan of Willian and would probably see it differently. I am not sure how to describe this, but i have this big hunch Willian's strong personality makes it hard for the manager to drop him from the team. From the outside he's not this big leader figure, but i have this feeling/idea he's HIGHLY respected by the rest of team and manager due to his senior status and personality.

This is something we fans can't really know for sure and is purely speculative, but for some reason i have the idea this is playing a big part in why Willian always ends-up in the starting 11.

A situation i feel was similar with David Luiz. Even when he was utter shit, he had this aura about him that nearly "automatically" warranted him a spot in the starting eleven. Same with free-kicks, he scored a few, but we had far better FK takers in the team and he still ended up taking them. Still happening at Arsenal by the way. The media and Arsenal fans saying he is shit, but he is starting and Arteta willing to extend his contract.

I personally want Willian to go. If he stays i'm pretty sure he'll be picked before Ziyech or CHO even if his level does not warrant it, for the aforementioned reasons.

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2 hours ago, Simon1991 said:

I am not sure how to describe this, but i have this big hunch Willian's strong personality makes it hard for the manager to drop him from the team. From the outside he's not this big leader figure, but i have this feeling/idea he's HIGHLY respected by the rest of team and manager due to his senior status and personality.

This is something we fans can't really know for sure and is purely speculative, but for some reason i have the idea this is playing a big part in why Willian always ends-up in the starting 11.

A situation i feel was similar with David Luiz.

Yeah, and just like David Luiz I can't see Willian taking it very well if he suddenly wasn't a key player anymore. We already saw it under Conte that Willian's ego is too big for him to only play a squad role. And that to me is really ironic considering he's not and never has been a world class player by any means.

All that, aside from it totally shafting CHO, is why I don't think it's really that good of an idea to extend his deal. People here have been saying "oh well, he's still a good player and can play AM4 role" but in reality it doesn't work like that with a player who still thinks so highly of himself that he demands £200-250K/week wages on a long-term contract which would also break the club's age policy that has been in place for a long time and is something the club didn't budge even for players like Lamps and Terry. David Luiz is so far the only player the club gave in on contract length demands and look how that ended up.

Willian's been a good servant for the club but it's finally time to move on. I'd have thought the time was years ago but maybe that's just me.

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9 minutes ago, Jype said:

Yeah, and just like David Luiz I can't see Willian taking it very well if he suddenly wasn't a key player anymore. We already saw it under Conte that Willian's ego is too big for him to only play a squad role. And that to me is really ironic considering he's not and never has been a world class player by any means.

Maybe Willian would be told that he would not play often next season and he still accepts the new deal? And maybe Lampard can sort of tame him? I mean, despite all the chopping and changing and the struggles with some players this season, Lampard hasn't fallen out with anyone. Not with Giroud when he was seemingly out of favor earlier this season or Kepa after his mistakes or anyone else in that category. 

But putting this aside for a moment, not sure who to believe on this TBH. ESPN and Sky Sports said that we are nearing a new deal with Willian but Matt Law didn't mention it or anything in his transfer piece today and Guardian said it is very likely that he will leave after the season. So...

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Just now, Jason said:

Maybe Willian would be told that he would not play often next season and he still accepts the new deal? And maybe Lampard can sort of tame him? I mean, despite all the chopping and changing and the struggles with some players this season, Lampard hasn't fallen out with anyone. Not with Giroud when he was seemingly out of favor earlier this season or Kepa after his mistakes or anyone else in that category. 

But putting this aside for a moment, not sure who to believe on this TBH. ESPN and Sky Sports said that we are nearing a new deal with Willian but Matt Law didn't mention it or anything in his transfer piece today and Guardian said it is very likely that he will leave after the season. So...

Maybe. But based on his contract demands alone I would assume he still sees himself as one of the very best players in the squad, even after the new arrivals in attacking positions. Why else would he demand to be the club's second highest paid player after Kante? And even if he were to agree a smaller role, why should the club pay him that kind of money if his new squad status didn't match the wages anymore? Aging players with diminishing roles should take smaller wages, not get a huge pay rise to their current deals.

Either way, I'd assume we're going to know more within the next few days. His short-term contract is almost at the end so a decision will have to be made soon. 

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Just now, Jype said:

Maybe. But based on his contract demands alone I would assume he still sees himself as one of the very best players in the squad, even after the new arrivals in attacking positions. Why else would he demand to be the club's second highest paid player after Kante? And even if he were to agree a smaller role, why should the club pay him that kind of money if his new squad status didn't match the wages anymore? Aging players with diminishing roles should take smaller wages, not get a huge pay rise to their current deals.

Either way, I'd assume we're going to know more within the next few days. His short-term contract is almost at the end so a decision will have to be made soon. 

Assuming the deal does go through (FFS!), I guess there would be some sort of compromise agreed between the two parties. 

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5 minutes ago, Jason said:

Assuming the deal does go through (FFS!), I guess there would be some sort of compromise agreed between the two parties. 

Yeah, maybe.

I could reluctantly accept him staying if it's on a 2 year deal at most and with an agreement between Lamps and Willian that his role will get smaller over time. And on reasonable wages, roughly the same as he makes now. Not that it's money out of my pocket anyway if he does get more but I just don't want to see years of mediocrity rewarded just because he hit form at the right time after the restart.

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The only reason I can see anyone wanting to keep him on with us, would be for the part where Frank needs locker room leaders. I honestly don't see any other reason why we would be keep Willian on the list.

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He doesn't deserve a new contract. Both Conte and Sarri started Pedro over Willian for a reason. Willian's strongest point was his work rate, but he never scored enough goals or created enough chances, but its pretty clear he lost most of that during this season. Specially after the restart of the season, a lot of his performances could be described as "lazy".

I can already see next season Mount+Willian starting a game against Liverpool, with Zyech and Pulisic siting on the bench. 

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9 hours ago, Steve said:

The only reason I can see anyone wanting to keep him on with us, would be for the part where Frank needs locker room leaders. I honestly don't see any other reason why we would be keep Willian on the list.

How is Willian a leader? Just because he is old does not mean he is a good leader.

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