Marco van Ginkel

[Shaan 263]

Watched the full match just now but have to say after a long time our pivot loked really good , mvg-essien really impressed me both were very dominant physically and aerially and the passing was also quick and crisp .. but the momment both were subbed off defensively we became a little vulnerable....but still a pre season match not judging early....

[Styles 9,790]

Choulo did go a bit ott but I get what he's saying, especially regarding the 'obvious pass'. To be honest, the pivot options in Malaysia is littered with obvious passers, and it's really Josh that is only one with enough guile to see and want to make different kinds of passes.

I've been impressed with MVG's athleticism and defensive contribution, and while his passing hasn't looked particularly good it can and hopefully will improve. To be fair to MVG he has made some good passes into the feet of KDB/Hazard when they've found themselves in good space so he can see the pass and is able to make it. It's just about being more consistent and sharper.

[kellzfresh 7,226]

The obvious pass becomes better than its supposed to be when its hit quickly before the defenders can react

[bleed_blue 136]

Van Ginkel's passing has been terrible in both games. Fist he's very slow at it and often needs an extra touch or two before releasing the ball. Second, his technique is awful, meaning even when he does make the pass it is often either behind the player or difficult for him to control; meaning the receiver often has to take an extra touch which also slows down the play. Moreover, his vision is bad; he seems only to be able to make the 'obvious' pass and when a defender blocks that angle he looks unsure what to do and often goes back to defense. And finally, he seems to struggle with passes more than 15-20 meters away and often misplaces them.

It's still way too early and I'm not passing judgement, but I have not yet seen how Van Ginkel is good at everything else.

I'm going to move those posts because this is not his thread.

This coming from a man who said oscar cant tackle. Completely predictable.

One more thread where choulo19 has embarrassed himself.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

I absolutely love this kid. Yes, I know I'm basing it on two pre-season games, but he is so neat and tidy as a footballer. Composed defensively as well. Positionally very well disciplined. He definitely will be of great use for us. There's no doubt Mourinho is intending on playing him as a defensive midfielder as well, judging on the fact he has sat whilst Essien and Ramires have roamed. Not necessarily a bad thing, he has the temperament for it.

[lucio 5,371]

I absolutely love this kid. Yes, I know I'm basing it on two pre-season games, but he is so neat and tidy as a footballer. Composed defensively as well. Positionally very well disciplined. He definitely will be of great use for us. There's no doubt Mourinho is intending on playing him as a defensive midfielder as well, judging on the fact he has sat whilst Essien and Ramires have roamed. Not necessarily a bad thing, he has the temperament for it.

maybe he can develop into a van bommel type player.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Careful Choulo, you're starting to sound an awful lot like one of those Mikel-bashers you so despise!

To be fair, those 'bashers' waited 200 games before starting on Mikel in some cases.

Choulo has decided to bash Van Ginkel after just two pre-season matches. Personally I think the biggest problem he has with Van Ginkel is that he plays in the same position as Mikel....

[bleed_blue 136]

To be fair, those 'bashers' waited 200 games before starting on Mikel in some cases.

Choulo has decided to bash Van Ginkel after just two pre-season matches. Personally I think the biggest problem he has with Van Ginkel is that he plays in the same position as Mikel....

Nail head.

Similar issues have cropped up whenever there were talks of oscar playing in a withdrawn position, luiz playing in midfield etc.

[Leif 6,006]

He's been great.

He's clearly been told to restrict his usual box-to-box duties so that there's less pressure on Essien who obviously shouldn't just be left alone to work by himself on the pitch after his injuries, and when paired with Ramires we all know which one is going to be used in the B2B role! They can't both go forward and leave acres of space behind! This is why he's opting for holding his ground at the moment, making the more simple passes (which in fairness we were actually missing last season) and putting in defensive shifts. He does it all.

I guess this is where Mikel or a new defensive midfielder (unlikely) comes in handy. Someone strong with good legs who holds their role is what's needed if we want to see this Lampard-like blueprint that is Van Ginkel.

Alternatively Jose could be molding him into an Xabi Alonso type player, something he definitely has all the tools for and a bold move which would save us from splurging cash on a playmaker in the long run assuming it works out.

Sometimes the very little things go unnoticed. It's the little things which Van Ginkel specialises at.

[Badboy 1,526]

There's going to be massive competition for midfield places this season. We have many players that want to play in the middle and I think we'll probably have a double pivot this season meaning there's 2 slots. I don't see anyone at the moment who is a definite pick for the double pivot ! No stand out player to be honest ! Van Ginkel has a great great chance !

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

Not sure what your issue with Van ginkel's passing is, but it's been perfectly fine these last two games. Van Ginkel is also a much more complete player. Josh has magnificent passing but it takes much more than being a great passer of the ball to make it in the premier league in Josh's position. Van Ginkel may not be as good at passing, but on everything else he's ahead of Josh imo. Same as Chalobah

Modric and Scholes did well without being great defenders..

[BlueLion. 21,491]

There's going to be massive competition for midfield places this season. We have many players that want to play in the middle and I think we'll probably have a double pivot this season meaning there's 2 slots. I don't see anyone at the moment who is a definite pick for the double pivot ! No stand out player to be honest ! Van Ginkel has a great great chance !

And that is only good for us. How many posts did I read last season saying Ramires/Mikel/Lampard/Benayoun weren't good enough for those positions? I honestly can't remember, they were countless! Now we have so much competition that everyone has to give it their absolute best to even get into the team, let alone hold the place down.

[The Skipper 20,593]

If we don't sign another midfielder this summer then Jose is trust Marco a lot, and I'm fine with that.

Like I said when we signed him before, a lot of you will be surprised by his maturity on the pitch. If Mourinho has faith in him instead of signing a De Rossi for example then I'm okay with it.

[Sheva. 5,373]

Van Ginkel's passing has been terrible in both games. Fist he's very slow at it and often needs an extra touch or two before releasing the ball. Second, his technique is awful, meaning even when he does make the pass it is often either behind the player or difficult for him to control; meaning the receiver often has to take an extra touch which also slows down the play. Moreover, his vision is bad; he seems only to be able to make the 'obvious' pass and when a defender blocks that angle he looks unsure what to do and often goes back to defense. And finally, he seems to struggle with passes more than 15-20 meters away and often misplaces them.

Lol. Hypothetically speaking, he's trying to pass to Essien, but sees an opponent right on him, so what should he do? bear in mind it's not like he has all day to make a decision, he's been pressured by the opposition. So he makes the right decision to go back to an open man instead of losing the ball - and you criticize him for this?!

[CHOULO19 24,332]

I would love to say something constructive, but have to say that first paragraph is just ridiculous. Either you need to rewatch both games, or you're very confused. Van Ginkel's been the midfielder who sits and has done his job perfectly fine. Nothing spectacular, but just very tidy with the odd glimpse. You said you're not passing judgement, but have already judged that his 'technique is awful' and his 'vision is bad'. I doubt you have anything against MVG, but it sure sounds like you do.....

I'm not saying he did not say he wasn't decent overall. I was just highlighting his passing (in comparison to Josh's). I have nothing against Marko. In fact, I thought his movement was a little conservative at times but overall very good. I love that he always makes himself available for the pass. His defending has been exceptionally good; yes he was a bit rash with a couple of tackles but that is something that can be easily fixed. And overall he's been decent but nothing spectacular. I was just saying that his passing has been bad. It's not that every pass he played was bad, he did play some good ones, but he's showed on several occasions in the match all of the points I pointed out and if you watch the compilations of his performance, you'll see them.

Anyway, like I said to Skipper, I'm not even saying that he's a bad passer, just that his passing has been bad in those two preseason matches.

Personally I think the biggest problem he has with Van Ginkel is that he plays in the same position as Mikel....

Except he doesn't. Marco is a box-to-box midfielder. If anything, he'll be playing next to the DM in our midfield.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Lol. Hypothetically speaking, he's trying to pass to Essien, but sees an opponent right on him, so what should he do? bear in mind it's not like he has all day to make a decision, he's been pressured by the opposition. So he makes the right decision to go back to an open man instead of losing the ball - and you criticize him for this?!

If there is another open pass to Iva or Hazard or Kevin a few meters ahead, then yes, I do criticize him for going back to the keeper. My point was that he didn't look very "adaptive" in his passing. That said, I'd much rather he passes back than try to force a pass to Essien.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Except he doesn't. Marco is a box-to-box midfielder. If anything, he'll be playing next to the DM in our midfield.

Except the double pivot doesn't have to just be about that dynamic you've laid out. It doesn't have to be one DM and one playmaker or box-to-box midfielder. Increasingly the trend has been for two players who are very much all-round players to share the workload of defence and attack.

Either way I'm going to support this young player and not have a pop at him to fit my agenda.

[Mufassir08 2,400]

He is a box to box midfielder so the i dont think he'll play as CDM once mikel is back.