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I still don't get the whole Rafa has turned things around as most neutrals seem to say alot. Our team had a bad run under RDM, but it wasn't in turmoil. Our Record is still worse under rafa than under RDM, and getting to a final of the Europa league won't change that. Hopefully we can win the cup get top 4, rafa can leave and we can start again next season.

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He is probably trying to get justice for Count Suarez ;)

for those that like the facts:

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FSW

42 matches - 23 wins 9 draws 10 losses

RDM

42 matches - 25 wins 8 draws 9 losses

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Didn't realize that losing to Man City & dropping points will get you gaffer of the month :rolleyes:

That makes the fsw record seem close to rdm, must be a mistake.

Edit: yeah probably more pub teams played by FSW too.

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That makes the fsw record seem close to rdm, must be a mistake.

Edit: yeah probably more pub teams played by FSW too.

Well, Rafa certainly didnt need to go through a full Champions League knockout phase...

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That makes the fsw record seem close to rdm, must be a mistake.

Edit: yeah probably more pub teams played by FSW too.

Well RDM didn't make silly decisions where CFC lost to clubs like qpha or Southampton :rolleyes:

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Potentially winning Europa League and finishing in the top 4 aren't the only reasons why Chelsea will keep Rafa, there's also a growing respect towards him by Luiz, Azpilicueta, Moses, Ba, Hazard and Mata, all publicly praising him for his man management and overall team cohesion even through heavy rotation. Yeah, Rafa said he's leaving at the end of the season but I've seen Hiddink and Heynckes do u-turns on retirement talk this season for example. I'm not going to be shocked when Rafa decides to do a u-turn and negotiate with the board who would only feel vindicated for hiring him in the first place after a strong finish.

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Lol right, our season was already ruined before Rafa - from Man utd game to be precise - and then he was given a tough job of not only reviving the team but also to deal with a quite ridiculous atmosphere. This obviously played a part in his less than impressive start here, and it's no surprise that since the fans stopped the excessive abuse the team has performed better and are ending the season well.

Not really, we were only knocked out of 3/7 cups, challenging for PL. Now we are hanging on by the skin of our teeth for top for and in ONE final out of FOUR

I think the fans have stopped booing 'cause they can't be arsed as it's not gonna do anything (I can only assume that). He's crap at man management, crap at press conferences, instead of saying how we played he talks about how well the other team did.

A very naive way of thinking. Our squad needs some proper shaping up, they were the ones throwing away wins that were already in the bag. People like you are the reason we change managers like socks. Fickle and in most cases with extreme bias.

How is the sacking of managers because of people like me? Pretty sure if fans had a say a bit more would be done around Stamford Bridge. Fickle? Don't get personal mate. Also please elaborate of how I am 'fickle'? I've always hated him. Fickle is when you hate a player/manager when they are doing bad then arse kiss them when they are doing good.

Our team hardly needs shaping up, a few tweaks here and there. Tell me how putting Benayoun on for Hazard is a good move when we are defending a lead at Anfield? a) it's a like for like sub and b ) Hazard on a crap day is better than Benayoun when he's on form. Okay Hazard may need a rest, but Benayoun ffs?. Tell me why he doesn't put Terry on when we need to sure up defence?

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I still don't get the whole Rafa has turned things around as most neutrals seem to say alot. Our team had a bad run under RDM, but it wasn't in turmoil. Our Record is still worse under rafa than under RDM, and getting to a final of the Europa league won't change that. Hopefully we can win the cup get top 4, rafa can leave and we can start again next season.

The team was shit under RDM, and it wasnt just a "bad run", even when the team were winning you could see a lot of weakness, and the defensive system was mess.

RDM record was better? Yes, when he left West Bromwich was a top 4 side, and if you want to talk about results, RDM was the man who led the team to the humiliation of not qualifying in group that had Shakhtar in the 2nd place.

Only people who dont have any idea about football would claim that the team is playing the same football, or that nothing has changed since the italian was fired.

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Not really, we were only knocked out of 3/7 cups, challenging for PL. Now we are hanging on by the skin of our teeth for top for and in ONE final out of FOUR

I think the fans have stopped booing 'cause they can't be arsed as it's not gonna do anything (I can only assume that). He's crap at man management, crap at press conferences, instead of saying how we played he talks about how well the other team did.

by the time RDM was sacked I dont think anyone, Chelsea fans aside, really thought we were challenging for PL.

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by the time RDM was sacked I dont think anyone, Chelsea fans aside, really thought we were challenging for PL.

We were in for a really decent go.

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Not really, we were only knocked out of 3/7 cups, challenging for PL. Now we are hanging on by the skin of our teeth for top for and in ONE final out of FOUR

I think the fans have stopped booing 'cause they can't be arsed as it's not gonna do anything (I can only assume that). He's crap at man management, crap at press conferences, instead of saying how we played he talks about how well the other team did.

How is the sacking of managers because of people like me? Pretty sure if fans had a say a bit more would be done around Stamford Bridge. Fickle? Don't get personal mate. Also please elaborate of how I am 'fickle'? I've always hated him. Fickle is when you hate a player/manager when they are doing bad then arse kiss them when they are doing good.

Our team hardly needs shaping up, a few tweaks here and there. Tell me how putting Benayoun on for Hazard is a good move when we are defending a lead at Anfield? a) it's a like for like sub and b ) Hazard on a crap day is better than Benayoun when he's on form. Okay Hazard may need a rest, but Benayoun ffs?. Tell me why he doesn't put Terry on when we need to sure up defence?

First of all, saying sorry, didn't mean to get that personal. It's some kind of epidemic for our fans to boo the manager as soon as first signs of shit hitting the fan occur. Though, when everything is fine, games going our way - players are doing a great job, but no mention for the manager. I'm not only talking about Rafa. I've been on this forum 3 years (before a mathematician starts to yell out for injustice, I lurked the first year without actually registering an account) and this trend was when other managers were in charge. For example under Ancelotti we won the league, cup, scored record amount of goals, played a winning football but still there were people who were adamant he should be sacked after a trophyless season while finishing second if I remember correctly. That's what I'm sick of, absolutely no recognition of the manager. Regardless if you hate him or love him, credits where credits due. Now that is what fickle means - praise players when we do good, leave manager out of the equation for his miniature role in it but when we might suffer a defeat it's well done Lamps, well done Mata, but somehow 4 page long essays of Rafa's incompetence appear in his thread portraying him as the public enemy number one.

If our team didn't need a shaping up, we wouldn't be struggling reaching league spots for next years UCL. Our strikers, pivot roles are still not figured out, same goes for our center backs. Wasn't Terry's biggest contribution up until that point giving away penalties and being shaky due niggling injuries keeping him off the field for a long period of time? Don't blame him. Plus I could not see how Hazard could have prevented Suarez from scoring that last ditch header better than Benayoun. You are looking for culprits from the wrong place.

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Never mind any of the comparison crap and the he said this or that crap either, the guy is doing the job as manager for our team and I cannot believe that he is indifferent to the shit that some of us are giving him. We've made our feelings known, Christ f**king martians know how we feel about him, but, he is going to lead our team out in the Europa Cup Final can we just show some class and let him go out with some support for getting us there and also possibly despite some dodgy team manovres into the CL next season. Come on it isn't hypocritical for us to just show some class, he knows that we'd prefer not to have him as our manager but he is...... Right now I've put my steel helmet back on so, fire away.........

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The amount of Chelsea fans on the radio recently, lavishing praise on TFSW makes me feel nauseous If I am honest. In my opinion, If you study the impact he has made, it is still very much in the negative equity.

Sure, he has "guided" us to a Europa League Final. But the weak, very weak surrender of the FA Cup that we have cherished over the last 16 years. The way he set the team out against Citeh, almost in fear. Letting them dominate us for the first hour was just shocking really. We should have enough quality players to take Citeh on, but no, he had us as very much the smaller, weaker team. Compare that to Robbie against the Yids last year in the semi. The Yids were on a crest at the time and we were wavering, yet the team came out in a positive and aggressive fashion and put the yids firmly to the sword.

As has been said, League wise, we were four off Man Ure after a very iffy home defeat against them when he showed up, now we are fucking miles behind them. Humbling losses to The Pikeys, QPR. Southampton, etc have been awful. One point from QPR, One point from Southampton. 2-0 leads thrown away against the saints and Reading which came about mainly due to inept substitutions. We would have won at Anfield if he had brought JT on. Stumbling, inept victories against Sunderland and Wigan. Very, very fortunate to beat the Arse. I could go on for hours and I probably will (anyone know the tune?).

Anyway, as I have said at least a trillion times, the sooner he is gone, the better. And if he gets applause after the last home game then I, for one, and going to puke my ring up.

Shallow, shallow fans.

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The amount of Chelsea fans on the radio recently, lavishing praise on TFSW makes me feel nauseous If I am honest. In my opinion, If you study the impact he has made, it is still very much in the negative equity.

Sure, he has "guided" us to a Europa League Final. But the weak, very weak surrender of the FA Cup that we have cherished over the last 16 years. The way he set the team out against Citeh, almost in fear. Letting them dominate us for the first hour was just shocking really. We should have enough quality players to take Citeh on, but no, he had us as very much the smaller, weaker team. Compare that to Robbie against the Yids last year in the semi. The Yids were on a crest at the time and we were wavering, yet the team came out in a positive and aggressive fashion and put the yids firmly to the sword.

As has been said, League wise, we were four off Man Ure after a very iffy home defeat against them when he showed up, now we are fucking miles behind them. Humbling losses to The Pikeys, QPR. Southampton, etc have been awful. One point from QPR, One point from Southampton. 2-0 leads thrown away against the saints and Reading which came about mainly due to inept substitutions. We would have won at Anfield if he had brought JT on. Stumbling, inept victories against Sunderland and Wigan. Very, very fortunate to beat the Arse. I could go on for hours and I probably will (anyone know the tune?).

Anyway, as I have said at least a trillion times, the sooner he is gone, the better. And if he gets applause after the last home game then I, for one, and going to puke my ring up.

Shallow, shallow fans.

Hatred makes one blind. The negativity has been one sided and coming from the fans alone. Haven't seen a single huge rift in the player department. We were a sinking ship already when RdM was sacked, regardless if we were 4 pts off or not. It is very hard to be off with 20 points so early in the season,but the eventual gap would have been similar to the current one. Plus you have to understand that due to the negativity form us, the fans, there was no honeymoon phase. ManUtd were very stable this season, we aren't the only ones behind them by a mile. A strong ManCity, Tottenham, Arsenal are all playing second fiddle to them this season.

You can be right, but most probably not about JT being the savior against Liverpool, fact is, had Ivanovic marked Suarez tighter, none of this would have happened, not to mention having to play minutes over the initial given extra time. During the weak, weak surrender of the FAcup we beat the reigning England champions and lost to the former reigning champions by narrowest of margins in the semi-finals. Sure, we have have gone out of many competitions this year that we could have won but Rafa, players and RdM have all their fair share of blame. Losing Community shield, Super Cup, making other kind of history in the CL group stages, losing points early on against QPR,WBA has nothing to do with Rafa, as much as RdM has nothing to with our historic conquers in the Club World Cup etc.

If we finish TOP4 and win Europa League, it is better than nothing and for me it has been unfortunate but a good season. This year has been more about us coping without the likes of JT, Lamps, Cole -who were injured for a long period of time or not in form- and not about the likes of Mata, Oscar and Hazard forming a partnership upfront with strikers we don't have. Though, haven't you wondered what if the 'number of fans on the radio' are right, what if you are a bit harsh and biased?

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The amount of Chelsea fans on the radio recently, lavishing praise on TFSW makes me feel nauseous If I am honest. In my opinion, If you study the impact he has made, it is still very much in the negative equity.

Sure, he has "guided" us to a Europa League Final. But the weak, very weak surrender of the FA Cup that we have cherished over the last 16 years. The way he set the team out against Citeh, almost in fear. Letting them dominate us for the first hour was just shocking really. We should have enough quality players to take Citeh on, but no, he had us as very much the smaller, weaker team. Compare that to Robbie against the Yids last year in the semi. The Yids were on a crest at the time and we were wavering, yet the team came out in a positive and aggressive fashion and put the yids firmly to the sword.

As has been said, League wise, we were four off Man Ure after a very iffy home defeat against them when he showed up, now we are fucking miles behind them. Humbling losses to The Pikeys, QPR. Southampton, etc have been awful. One point from QPR, One point from Southampton. 2-0 leads thrown away against the saints and Reading which came about mainly due to inept substitutions. We would have won at Anfield if he had brought JT on. Stumbling, inept victories against Sunderland and Wigan. Very, very fortunate to beat the Arse. I could go on for hours and I probably will (anyone know the tune?).

Anyway, as I have said at least a trillion times, the sooner he is gone, the better. And if he gets applause after the last home game then I, for one, and going to puke my ring up.

Shallow, shallow fans.

Look the point is the world and his dog are going to be watching that match and why the f**k should we come across as a bunch of whining prats when we can look like and be a class act. An another thing it's easy to punch in the letters on a keyboard and call any one who would like us to show some class, shallow but I've paid my dues over the 50ish years that I've followed the Blues Turf Moor is a lonely place in the rain.....

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I say this with no pretense - that 'rant' at Middlesbrough made me despise him, but I now think he's nothing short of genius to have gone ahead with that. Look at our form now! Yes, still some really odd results (particularly Southampton), but it will prove to be the turning point in our quest for a CL place.

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Look the point is the world and his dog are going to be watching that match and why the f**k should we come across as a bunch of whining prats when we can look like and be a class act. An another thing it's easy to punch in the letters on a keyboard and call any one who would like us to show some class, shallow but I've paid my dues over the 50ish years that I've followed the Blues Turf Moor is a lonely place in the rain.....

As is a cold night at Tranmere, York and Scarborough. Anywhere else you care to mention? We ain't all newbie fans, some have been round the block as much as the next one.

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As is a cold night at Tranmere, York and Scarborough. Anywhere else you care to mention? We ain't all newbie fans, some have been round the block as much as the next one.

So how was I to know that I was singing to the choir? Some of the lads on here are extremely young and as an old fart I thought that I'd point out that I done a bit...lol :ph34r:

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