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In 2012 I predicted he would become a better player than Eden Hazard. With the help of my friends and family I have since been able to overcome my crack addiction

Hazard is Hazard, Oscar is Oscar and Mata is Mata.

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The hate towards Oscar on this forum is unbelievable to me.

Yes, he hasn't lived up to the hype that we ince thought he deserved when arriving at Chelsea but really!!!

 

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2 hours ago, cfcs most wanted said:

Can't believe this guy is still not in the former blues section.

 

Mikel and Oscar the type of persons to have more lives than a cat

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2 minutes ago, Jason said:

Arguably the second best performer against West Ham and not one word on Oscar? :lol:

I've been critical of him but to give him his due, at least for this game, he was superb. His workrate, intensity, commitment were all spot on today. He was crucial in helping us to dominate West Ham.

Agreed 100% people love to criticise him but don't give the credit when he deserves it!

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Just now, Jason said:

Oh, surprised @Gilvorak hasn't jumped in here too! :lol:

Workhorse performance, he'll dominate the midfield unlike Cesc just as I thought but lacks the vision & playmaking we so desperately need without him. A couple of moments of class but not enough.

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4 minutes ago, Gilvorak said:

he'll dominate the midfield unlike Cesc

That depends. If you're looking to dominate teams in the sense of running the game and dictating the play, then Fabregas is your man. But if you're looking to dominate teams in the physical aspect, then you go to Oscar. Today might not be a game suited for Fabregas but there will be some where he'll be needed, like against Burnley, Hull etc. Remember how we went from bad at breaking defensive teams down in 13/14 to tearing up those same sides in 14/15 with Fabregas in the side?

7 minutes ago, Gilvorak said:

lacks the vision & playmaking we so desperately need without him. A couple of moments of class but not enough.

Well, that's an ongoing issue with him and others in the side but for now, I'm just going to ignore that. ;)

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19 minutes ago, Sideshow Luiz said:

I thought Oscar played well tonight.  He wasn't amazing or a match winner, but he was Solid, I thought.  A couple of cheeky passes, a couple that didn't come of either.  But, I like his deeper role.

I agree that he did well but I'd put it differently and say that he did as well as he's able to.

I felt tonight encapslated our problem with Oscar. At one and the same time he is not good enough to play that role in our midfiied and yet he remains the best fit we have for that role in our midfield.

One slight disagreement; he was still he most advanced of our midfield. When the debate was raging about whether it should be Oscar or Willian occupying the most advanced position of the midfeld three, i argued for Oscar. For me, although Willian always looks better because he carries the ball better, it is Oscar who is more likely to get things done. He lacks the technique to produce the dominnt string-pulling displays but, his tricks and flicks oftn turn out to be the most productive thing we get from people in that role.

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13 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

I agree that he did well but I'd put it differently and say that he did as well as he's able to.

I felt tonight encapslated our problem with Oscar. At one and the same time he is not good enough to play that role in our midfiied and yet he remains the best fit we have for that role in our midfield.

One slight disagreement; he was still he most advanced of our midfield. When the debate was raging about whether it should be Oscar or Willian occupying the most advanced position of the midfeld three, i always voted for Oscar. For me, although Willian always looks better because he carries the ball better, it is Oscar who is more likely to get things done. He lacks the technique to produce the dominnt string-pulling displays but, his tricks and flicks oftn turn out to be the most productive thing we get from people in that role.

Yeah, he was the most advanced, but played deeper in general that we're used to seeing him.  At least it seemed that way to me.

I don't remember the Willian/Oscar debate.  But, I'd agree with you.  Willian isn't all that in the final 3rd.  

Oscar gets a lot of stick here.  And I don't love him either.  He has his moments, just never 3 in a row.  But, if he was our #1 issue, we'd be real title contenders.  Need half a back line first.

I guess I stick up for him a lot because I see a lot of "pay team X to take him" and stuff of that nature.  It's something I don't really like in football.  Everyone wants the really good players to be loyal, but if they "aren't good enough", it's get rid of him, he's useless, etc. etc.  If Madrid came for Hazard next summer and he said he wanted to go, everyone would be calling him Judas and that he's a mercenary.  Then turn around and tell someone else to do one because they aren't good enough.  Just don't like it.

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I watched some of it, not all, and then he was subbed. But then I caught a replay and I thought he did well (didn't watch the whole replay).

I'm just not going to be hopeful. He covered the most distance in the team after Matic and he was working very hard and there was that quick/deep pass to Willian, that led to Adrian's save in the second half. But that's it, committed, a couple of good attacking passes... it's too little, but still better than he did last season. Let's see if there's a possibility that Conte will remove him from his comfort zone (which I think is his problem, he's totally okay with being mediocre), I won't hold my breath though

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On 7/1/2016 at 1:13 PM, petre.ispirescu said:

I know mate, just saying you know.. But let me tell you this -I'm 80-90% sure Conte will have Oscar in his starting line-up. Don't ask me why, I just have this weird feeling. 

For me it's looking quite obvious that Conte will use a midfield three at Chelsea, no matter it's 3-5-2, 3-5-1-1, 4-3-3 etc. At first I was pretty sure he'll go for 4-4-2/4-2-4, but now I have my doubts. Mostly because of Cesc. I think it would be suicidal to go into next season with a midfield two consisting of Cesc and other midfielder. Even if the other midfielder is a box to box monster that can run all day. I simply cannot see Cesc working in a midfield two formation.

Now back to my point -Conte had a pretty decent midfielder in his provisional squad, Jorginho, but opted to send him back home at the expense of Giaccherini. I know they are not the same type of player, but I bet that 9 out of 10 managers would have Jorginho over Giaccherini any given day. 

Thing is Conte likes his midfield three to be composed of one regista (De Rossi) that sits deep and two other midfielders with a good engine that can make forward runs, work the channels and go into the box everytime his team goes forward (Giaccherini, Parolo, Florenzi). 

Oscar is similar to Giaccherini in my view. Energetic midfielder that can run like a rabid dog and cover every blade of the pitch. Plus he goes forward, shoots from outside the box, goes into the box. Really think he is the type of midfielder that Conte prefers. 

Was afraid of this.......

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