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Personally, I dont think neymar is even the most talented young brazilian, its Thiago.

Balotelli a pundit now? :) Might as well be b/c he has such a hard time scoring goals.

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Also Bale plays with Benzema and C.Ronaldo who more than carry their own weight, take the pressure off him to some extent. Even Bale's assists numbers jumped to 16 last year just off the strength of playing with better attacking players, he'd never reached anywhere near that before in his career.

Just think what kind of numbers Hazard would be getting playing with better attacking teammates? As much as we rate our own guys, compared to Benzema and C.Ronaldo, Hazard is working with significantly lesser players. He'd be a beast for Real Madrid, even more so than Bale in my opinion.

And when Bale was scoring 21 goals in the Premiere League it was all luck (with the same age Hazard has less 10 goals without penaltys)... or because of the great players he had in the team.

Bale started 24 games in Madrid for the League, he was not in the stating eleven in 14 games(Neymar started 19, half the games in La Liga). And he has that numbers. The numbers Ronaldo and Messi have are only comparable with the ones Bale and Neymar have.

When Neymar and Bale play in the starting eleven 30 times per season, in the second or third season in Spain they will score more than 20/30 goals without any problem. No other winger can do it, and that's why Bale and Neymar are right now the future in football.

Hazard is really good, but if he wants to be the number one he needs to improve a lot. Being like Robben is really good, but Robben is not a player to fight for the Ballon D'Or every season. In reality he fought for none of them and he is great.

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And when Bale was scoring 21 goals in the Premiere League it was all luck (with the same age Hazard has less 10 goals without penaltys)... or because of the great players he had in the team.

Bale started 24 games in Madrid for the League, he was not in the stating eleven in 14 games(Neymar started 19, half the games in La Liga). And he has that numbers. The numbers Ronaldo and Messi have are only comparable with the ones Bale and Neymar have.

When Neymar and Bale play in the starting eleven 30 times per season, in the second or third season in Spain they will score more than 20/30 goals without any problem. No other winger can do it, and that's why Bale and Neymar are right now the future in football.

Hazard is really good, but if he wants to be the number one he needs to improve a lot. Being like Robben is really good, but Robben is not a player to fight for the Ballon D'Or every season. In reality he fought for none of them and he is great.

Ronaldo scored 31 in 30 games. Messi 28 in 31.

La Liga:

Neymar scored 9 goals in 26 games

Bale had 15 in 27 games.

Alexis had 19 in 34.

Neymar isn't on Alexis or Bale's level. Let alone Ronaldo and Messi.

There numbers are not comparable. They both appeared in quite a few games. No one will ever reach Ronaldo and Messi's levels.

Agree about Robben. Another world class player cursed to play with two of the greatest ever, Messi and Ronaldo.

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Ronaldo scored 31 in 30 games. Messi 28 in 31.

La Liga:

Neymar scored 9 goals in 26 games

Bale had 15 in 27 games.

Alexis had 19 in 34.

Neymar isn't on Alexis or Bale's level. Let alone Ronaldo and Messi.

There numbers are not comparable. They both appeared in quite a few games. No one will ever reach Ronaldo and Messi's levels.

Agree about Robben. Another world class player cursed to play with two of the greatest ever, Messi and Ronaldo.

Neymar has 26 games... but he started 19... that's not normal and only is hapening because Barcelona has a great team. A 22 years old guy. in his first season in Barcelona, with a world cup in his country that season, and the ex president is almost in jail because of the way he was bought. You know the difference between Alexis and Neymar? Neymar is better, younger, played a lot less games, and Neymar already scored that number of goals... something that Alexis won't do.

I'm not saying they will reach that level, I don't predict the future... 50 goals in one league like Messi or 17 in CHampions League like Ronaldo (and every time more than 30 goals for the past 5 or 6 years in League)... maybe no one can do it.But the only players that will do something like that (something like 30 goals in league) especially being wingers are Bale and Neymar.Because their numbers show it.

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Neymar has 26 games... but he started 19... that's not normal and only is hapening because Barcelona has a great team. A 22 years old guy. in his first season in Barcelona, with a world cup in his country that season, and the ex president is almost in jail because of the way he was bought. You know the difference between Alexis and Neymar? Neymar is better, younger, played a lot less games, and Neymar already scored that number of goals... something that Alexis won't do.

*Cough* Alexis scored 19 goals while he started in 27 games last season. Neymar scored 9 in 19 games he started. Alexis's goals per game stat is actually better, you know.

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*Cough* Alexis scored 19 goals while he started in 27 games last season. Neymar scored 9 in 19 games he started. Alexis's goals per game stat is actually better, you know.

Well... and Alexis is 3 years older, is in the third season in Barcelona, never scored more than 20 goals in any competition (in Barcelona, Udinese or River or any other team), no one in Barcelona likes him, and before the world cup they were trying to sell him for something like 30M€.

You look at Neymar numbers this season (and I said it was a bad first season for him in Barcelona) and in the past and Neymar is a lot better than Alexis every day of the week.

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Well... and Alexis is 3 years older, is in the third season in Barcelona, never scored more than 20 goals in any competition (in Barcelona, Udinese or River or any other team), no one in Barcelona likes him, and before the world cup they were trying to sell him for something like 30M€.

You look at Neymar numbers this season (and I said it was a bad first season for him in Barcelona) and in the past and Neymar is a lot better than Alexis every day of the week.

I'm sorry, but what does this have to do with players' talent?

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I'm sorry, but what does this have to do with players' talent?

It says that he is at best one more player in Barcelona, Believe me when I say that Barcelona fans see Barcelona games, and know how their players play. Alexis is a really good player, I would buy him for Chelsea, and before the world cup I said it here (maybe today is a little more difficult because he is playing well in the WC), but he will be a star player in a team like TOttenham or Atletico or even Milan nowadays.

In big clubs he will be one more player... And Hazard is a lot better than Alexis in my opinion.

Even Ibrahimovic is not a player to win a Ballon D'Or and Fabregas also, they are great but... and people liked Etoo and Ibra, the problem with them was another one. Both of them had problems with Guardiola and Messi and obviouslly they couldn't continue in the team.

The problem with Alexis is that he is not that good and Barcelona needs money to buy another players. One thing is talent another thing is the performance of the player in one game, in one competition or in one season.

Even with a bad and difficult season Neymar had good numbers in Barcelona(he was not in the starting eleven a lot of times), he leads Brazil with quality, and scored a lot of goals in Brazil in the past. Bale did it well in Madrid even with a lot of games out, he did it perfect in Tottenham. And both are young, in the first season out of their country, and already have something great to show in their past. No other young player can say that.

ANd more important when you look at their numbers they will definately score 20/30 goals per season in the future in a consistent way. SOmething no other winger today will do.

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It says that he is at best one more player in Barcelona, Believe me when I say that Barcelona fans see Barcelona games, and know how their players play. Alexis is a really good player, I would buy him for Chelsea, and before the world cup I said it here (maybe today is a little more difficult because he is playing well in the WC), but he will be a star player in a team like TOttenham or Atletico or even Milan nowadays.

In big clubs he will be one more player... And Hazard is a lot better than Alexis i my opinion.

Even Ibrahimovic is not a player to win a Ballon D'Or and Fabregas also, they are great but... and people liked Etoo and Ibra, the problem with them was another one.

Again, what does it have to do with talent? There have been many amazing Barcelona players disliked by fans/team/manager and sold below their true market value. It means nothing. As The Skipper said above, they just weren't used properly. In a team built around them, they would have shined--and do shine.

By the way, my wife is a Barcelona fan, so I watched a lot of their games, too, so it's a weak argument.

Actually, I think both Ibrahimovic and Fabregas have the talent to win Ballon D'Or, but it's impossible in the same team as Messi, and I'm not convinced that Hazard wouldn't be just "one more player" at Barcelona--just like Alexis, Ibrahimovic, Fabregas, Yaya Toure, etc. Very few talents fit in Barcelona's system, and even those that do become nothing but "just one more player" after Messi.

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And when Bale was scoring 21 goals in the Premiere League it was all luck (with the same age Hazard has less 10 goals without penaltys)... or because of the great players he had in the team.

Bale started 24 games in Madrid for the League, he was not in the stating eleven in 14 games(Neymar started 19, half the games in La Liga). And he has that numbers. The numbers Ronaldo and Messi have are only comparable with the ones Bale and Neymar have.

No they're not comparable they may have played less games but even taking that in consideration they still don't come close to the numbers of Messi and ronaldo.

Bale : 32 games (7) 21 goals, 16 assists

Neymar : 28 games (8) 13 goals, 11 assists

Messi : 36 games (2) 36 goals, 11 assists (note that this is one of Messi's poorest seasons in a while.

C Ronaldo : 41 games 48 goals, 13 assists

How exactly are Bale and Neymar's numbers comparable to that off Ronaldo and Messi ?

Why is it that when you compare Neymar and Bale's numbers to that off Hazard's you completely ignore the difference in system (attacking oriented system vs defensive oriented system) and the difference in leagues (Primera division vs Premier league) ?

I mean those things play a big role.

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They are. Messi and Ronaldo basically highly impact games every game - Bale doesn't do it as consistently as either.

No one is on their level or close to it IMO.

I personally think Zlatan and Suarez are on CR7 and Messi level and at the very least close to it.

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No they're not comparable they may have played less games but even taking that in consideration they still don't come close to the numbers of Messi and ronaldo.

Bale : 32 games (7) 21 goals, 16 assists

Neymar : 28 games (8) 13 goals, 11 assists

Messi : 36 games (2) 36 goals, 11 assists (note that this is one of Messi's poorest seasons in a while.

C Ronaldo : 41 games 48 goals, 13 assists

How exactly are Bale and Neymar's numbers comparable to that off Ronaldo and Messi ?

Why is it that when you compare Neymar and Bale's numbers to that off Hazard's you completely ignore the difference in system (attacking oriented system vs defensive oriented system) and the difference in leagues (Primera division vs Premier league) ?

I mean those things play a big role.

Tell me how many wingers do you know scoring more than 20 goals in League in big countries (England, Spain, Italy and Germany, if you can't find many you can also check Portugal, France and Holland or Brazil for example) in the the past 10 or 15 years with no penaltys.

I can start that list:

Messi (is a false nine, but he was a winger some years ago)

Cristiano

Bale

Let's see how many we can find.

You are telling me that Tottenham plays a lot more attacking football than Chelsea.

This is one of the worst seasons of Messi but he played a lot more than Neymar for example even with a big injury.

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Tell me how many wingers do you know scoring more than 20 goals in League in big countries (England, Spain, Italy and Germany, if you can't find many you can also check Portugal, France and Holland or Brazil for example) in the the past 10 or 15 years with no penaltys.

I can start that list:

Messi (is a false nine, but he was a winger some years ago)

Cristiano

Bale

Let's see how many we can find.

You are telling me that Tottenham plays a lot more attacking football than Chelsea.

This is one of the worst seasons of Messi but he played a lot more than Neymar for example even with a big injury.

Like i said before scoring more then 20 goals isn't Messi, Ronaldo level. Having a hand in over 50 goals by either scoring or assisting is. I'm not saying Bale isn't a quality player but he shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Messi or Ronaldo.

No i'm not i was clearly talking about Bale's season at Real Madrid but if you wanna talk about Bale in the PL.

He only had 1 season in the PL where he scored more then 20 goals (21 goals, 4 assists) The season before that he "only" had 9 goals and 10 assists. Before you say he was younger. Hazard at the same age (21/22) had 9 goals and 11 assists in the PL.

Don't really get your last sentence. Messi played 36 games 2 subs while Neymar played 28 games with 8 subs. 8 games difference but Messi outscored Neymar by 23 goals. I don't think Neymar would have scored 23 goals,or anything close to that, in those 8 games and this was still one of Messi's worst seasons in a while.

Also we've been talking about numbers this whole time but apart from this whole discussion about assists and goals i just like players like Messi, Ronaldo, Hazard, Neymar more then Bale.

Messi and Hazard i love the way they just glide past their defenders and Neymar and Ronaldo have that trickery to completely wrongfoot defenders.

Bale just knocks balls past defenders and then runs after it. I just find Bale less enjoyable to watch. Bale just doesn't have the same level of trickery, technique, ballcontrol.

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I personally think Zlatan and Suarez are on CR7 and Messi level and at the very least close to it.

Zlatan ? good player for the show but when everybody need him in champions league he disappear(Juve 0 vs 2 liverpool - Inter 0 vs 2 Liverpool - Inter 0 vs 2 man united - Barcelona 1 vs 3 inter) . Messi show him at barca he was too strong for him. Zlatan is good for the league when he has a top player behind him. But it's my opinion ;)

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Like i said before scoring more then 20 goals isn't Messi, Ronaldo level. Having a hand in over 50 goals by either scoring or assisting is. I'm not saying Bale isn't a quality player but he shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Messi or Ronaldo.

No i'm not i was clearly talking about Bale's season at Real Madrid but if you wanna talk about Bale in the PL.

He only had 1 season in the PL where he scored more then 20 goals (21 goals, 4 assists) The season before that he "only" had 9 goals and 10 assists. Before you say he was younger. Hazard at the same age (21/22) had 9 goals and 11 assists in the PL.

Don't really get your last sentence. Messi played 36 games 2 subs while Neymar played 28 games with 8 subs. 8 games difference but Messi outscored Neymar by 23 goals. I don't think Neymar would have scored 23 goals,or anything close to that, in those 8 games and this was still one of Messi's worst seasons in a while.

Also we've been talking about numbers this whole time but apart from this whole discussion about assists and goals i just like players like Messi, Ronaldo, Hazard, Neymar more then Bale.

Messi and Hazard i love the way they just glide past their defenders and Neymar and Ronaldo have that trickery to completely wrongfoot defenders.

Bale just knocks balls past defenders and then runs after it. I just find Bale less enjoyable to watch. Bale just doesn't have the same level of trickery, technique, ballcontrol.

About Messi and Neymar...Messi have a diference between in games of something like 8 games, 6 penaltys for Messi, Neymar in Barcelona doesn't take set pieces and he is a specialist but he have there Xavi and Messi, he started half the games, had a lot of problems there... of course Messi is better than Neymar but Neymar is really young, and he for example scored 35 goals for the national team in Brazil, he was by far the best player in south America with at the age of 18 or 19, Neymar is special.And in the next seasons he will reach almost that numbers, there is no doubt about it. And for example if you have a winger that without penaltys score 20 goals and other that scores 10 there is no doubt about who is the best.

This is not about what is more wonderful or not, it's about efficiency. And a great player like RObben can't compete with Messi or Ronaldo, the same way a great player like Hazard playing the way he plays he can't compete with Bale or Neymar.

There is any doubt thar in the next years if Neymar and Bale play 30 games in the starting eleven they will make 25 goals per season at least?

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About Messi and Neymar...Messi have a diference between in games of something like 8 games, 6 penaltys for Messi, Neymar in Barcelona doesn't take set pieces and he is a specialist but he have there Xavi and Iniesta, he started half the games, had a lot of problems there... of course Messi is better than Neymar but Neymar is really young, and he for example scored 35 goals for the national team in Brazil, he was by far the best player in south America with at the age of 18 or 19, Neymar is special.And in the next seasons he will reach almost that numbers, there is no doubt about it. And for example if you have a winger that without penaltys score 20 goals and other that scores 10 there is no doubt about who is the best.

This is not about what is more wonderful or not, it's about efficiency. And a great player like RObben can't compete with Messi or Ronaldo, the same way a great player like Hazard playing the way he plays he can't compete with Bale or Neymar.

There is any doubt thar in the next years if Neymar and Bale play 30 games in the starting eleven they will make 25 goals per season at least?

I disagree. I doubt he'll reach those numbers (or any player for that matter) To be clear i'm talking about scoring 40 goals and assisting 10.

Disagree goals alone don't decide who is the best. Like Lukakutostamford said Bale and Neymar will score more goals but Hazard creates more chances for his teammates and will have more balanced numbers then Neymar and Bale.

That doesn't make him a lesser player then those 2.

On your last sentence no i think both Neymar and Bale will reach those 25 goals with 10-15 assists in the next seasons

but i could turn it around and say is there any doubt Hazard will make 20 goals, 20 assists per season in the next seasons at least ?

Cause i have no doubts about that.

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