Eden Hazard

[MrExcalibur100 7,089]

On 03/04/2017 at 3:18 AM, The Skipper said:

Hazard is a better dribbler than Messi, not a better playmaker though. Doesn't have Messi's vision. Don't need stats to show that, just watch both play and tell me whether you think Hazard can execute half of the passes Messi does. 

Messi is very underrated as a creator tbh. 

I disagree. Hazard's vision is incredible and is definitely in the same conversation. You're arguing for vision, I'm arguing for creativity. You don't have to have Cesc-esque full range vision to be a creative force. 

 

On 03/04/2017 at 9:23 PM, The Skipper said:

I only put Hazard ahead because Messi doesn't seem to be as explosive with his dribbling anymore, but tbh you could argue he's still better. Nevertheless, those three are the top 3 dribblers on the planet right now. 

It's not even close between them at this point. Both Messi and Hazard high volume dribblers. 

Hazard has completed 125 dribbles at a surreal 78 % (!!) success rate. From my research on Squawka, this is the most devastating dribbling season in the last 5 years in all the top European leagues. Hazard is dribbling better right now than Messi did in his prime. Messi has never even come close to matching such efficiency. 

This season he has 84 completed dribbles at 60 % success rate

2015/2016 - 117 completed dribbles at 63% success rate

2014/2015 - 174 completed dribbles (eh) at 56% success rate (again, high volume dribbling rate at an efficiency akin more resembling Zaha than Garrincha)

2013/2014 - 143 completed dribbles at 59% success rate

2012/2013 - 122 completed dribbles at 63% success rate

Some stats can be misleading but dribbling stats are pretty much irrefutable. Messi has never even done it at 70% success rate before. And that's despite playing next to some of the best players ever, ballon d'or winners, players who demand the attention of opposition defenders. You'll think he'll have more space to operate. Meanwhile, Hazard is the centre of attention. In 

2014/15, Eden had - 180 completed dribbles at 64% success rate, a season were he was double marked in almost every game and getting tortured by defenders. I can post the others for the preceding seasons but you can look them up yourself. He still crushes Messi for effeciency. 

I don't even need any stat to know Hazard is a superior dribbler to Messi. The eye-test shows Messi fails quite a lot of his dribbles for everyone he gets right. He often loses the ball. Hazard rarely ever loses the ball when he attempts to beat players. He just simply blows past them. If we just forget the name at the back of the jersey and consider it's not LIONEL MESSI, this is not even a debatable point all things considered. Hazard is the best dribbler of his era and one of the most devastating dribblers the game has ever seen.  

[MrExcalibur100 7,089]

I'm also going to state here that Hazard is our best big game performer of all time, with Drogba. Whatever happens from now on, he's already a legend at this club for me. 

[Blue Armour 3,165]

^^^ His goal record against the top teams speaks for itself. Heck if you want to inflate it, you could even include the goal against Bayern in the European super cup, and the goals scored in the friendlies against Barca and Real.

 

For me, today was almost a captain like performance. Leading by example through performance, rather. The way he kept pressing for the ball in the first half even after the equalizer showed how much he wanted to keep the tempo of the game going.

His post-match interviews are also top notch, including how he spoke about the Courtois mistake.

Has the most MOTM awards as well for our team, right? That there says a lot..

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

On 4/2/2017 at 3:56 PM, MrExcalibur100 said:

Hazard is both a better creative player and better dribbler than Messi was in his prime. Some stats lie but creativity and dribbling stats don't 

Messi miles better as a passer and a finisher though. He always makes pinpoint passes when on the run while Hazard is often wayward. Thats the difference between the two if you ask me.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

1 hour ago, MrExcalibur100 said:

I'm also going to state here that Hazard is our best big game performer of all time, with Drogba. Whatever happens from now on, he's already a legend at this club for me. 

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

When he performs in the champions league we can talk.

[the wes 7,212]

1 hour ago, MrExcalibur100 said:

I'm also going to state here that Hazard is our best big game performer of all time, with Drogba. Whatever happens from now on, he's already a legend at this club for me. 

We need to do everything in are power to keep him here what a talent

[Gilvorak 3,734]

1 hour ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

When he performs in the champions league we can talk.

He's performed in the CL numerous times. We just play cowardly football.

 

Parking the bus against Atletico & then starting a game with 6 defenders, sitting deep against 10 man PSG & he was injured last season.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

13 minutes ago, Gilvorak said:

He's performed in the CL numerous times. We just play cowardly football.

 

Parking the bus against Atletico & then starting a game with 6 defenders, sitting deep against 10 man PSG & he was injured last season.

Can you remind of of these numerous times? And don't mention the game against that team from israel

[Jase 43,174]

 

[Gilvorak 3,734]

21 minutes ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

Can you remind of of these numerous times? And don't mention the game against that team from israel

 

He was then injured in the home leg against PSG & the away leg against Altetico. Just about cleared fit for the home leg then that tosser Mourinho put out this lineup against them

 

 

 

He's destroyed all of United, City, Tottenham, Arsenal & Liverpool countless times yet he supposedly can't perform in the CL.

[communicate 2,703]

4 hours ago, MrExcalibur100 said:

 

I don't even need any stat to know Hazard is a superior dribbler to Messi. The eye-test shows Messi fails quite a lot of his dribbles for everyone he gets right. He often loses the ball. Hazard rarely ever loses the ball when he attempts to beat players. He just simply blows past them. If we just forget the name at the back of the jersey and consider it's not LIONEL MESSI, this is not even a debatable point all things considered. Hazard is the best dribbler of his era and one of the most devastating dribblers the game has ever seen.  

Are you talking right now or you are talking about messi in his prime because right now Hazard is in his prime where as Messi on his way down.

Without question right now hazard is a better dribbler than messi but at his prime messi can pick up the ball and midfield and scared the whole defence 

[Special Juan 26,141]

Gives me fucking heart failure with those penalties.

[LondonsFinest 692]

To be quite fair, he was extremely lucky on the penalty, but with his style, Caballero, who is a smart GK in terms of penalties, would have saved it any day. I was actually expecting him to miss. Thank God it rebounded. He is still our best penalty taker. Maybe Cesc.

[MrExcalibur100 7,089]

6 hours ago, communicate said:

Are you talking right now or you are talking about messi in his prime because right now Hazard is in his prime where as Messi on his way down.

Without question right now hazard is a better dribbler than messi but at his prime messi can pick up the ball and midfield and scared the whole defence 

I'm talking about Messi in his prime. jeez, do you guys even read my posts anymore? The stats I posted show Messi's dribbling while excellent have been embellished by the greatness and the myth of the player himself. A purely objective examination shows Eden blows him out of the water. What Eden is doing this season dribbling wise is unprecendented. 

[Blue Colored Sky 1,799]

He's maybe the most in form big player right now. If only we had better players for him to stat padding his claim. 

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

8 hours ago, Gilvorak said:

 

He was then injured in the home leg against PSG & the away leg against Altetico. Just about cleared fit for the home leg then that tosser Mourinho put out this lineup against them

 

 

 

He's destroyed all of United, City, Tottenham, Arsenal & Liverpool countless times yet he supposedly can't perform in the CL.

3 yrs ago he had a decent tie against Galatasaray.... His standard is such that he should be man of the match in big champions league games. Now lets examine the games he was nonexistent in... 

2012 Shakhtar both legs he was non existent. "found it difficult in the opening half. Beaten for the second goal" "came on for an injured Lampard after 18mins but struggled to create any space and found his passing game was inadequate.

Juventus 3-0 - played as striker and had zero impact(perhaps DiMatteo's fault)

in 2013-14 we had perhaps the easiest draw of all. The only big games we played were against PSG and Atleti. Against Atleti he was at fault for 2 goals I believe... 

2014-15 - again the easiest group one could imagine... Against PSG 1-1 "Drew numerous fouls to ease the pressure on his team but contributed little substance" 2-2 "Was restricted by Marquinhos and lacked his usual creative influence before calmly scoring Chelsea's penalty after Silva’s handball."

2015-16 - easy group made to look hard... 2-1 PSG home "invisible for large spells of the match and was substituted in the 2nd half. 2-1 away "Started the game off well - testing Trapp on a few occasions, but ultimately failed to dominate Chelsea's attacking play. Was booed off by a section of the home fans in the second half."

 

For me I have yet to see him dominate a big champions league fixture, he is nowhere near lampard let alone Didier in terms of big match influence. The mere suggestion of such a thing is laughable. 

If he stays past this summer the real test will begin!

 

[the wes 7,212]

6 hours ago, Special Juan said:

Gives me fucking heart failure with those penalties.

I know how u feel mate I miss lamps hitting are penalties we should give the penalties duties to Luiz the geezer doesn't fuck about hitting penalties 

 

[BlueLyon 9,359]

His pens are very easy to save these days. Little power and considering he takes little space to shot, gk knows it will be a low shot.

If Eden put the ball near either post, the save would be impossible, but he goes always for middle between gk and post. Gk only has to figure out which side so its relatively easy 50:50 save. Last 6 pens, eden scored only 3 so there is that.

Either he needs to to take more power to his shots or someone else should start taking them.

[Weckerz 3,775]

29 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

His pens are very easy to save these days. Little power and considering he takes little space to shot, gk knows it will be a low shot.

If Eden put the ball near either post, the save would be impossible, but he goes always for middle between gk and post. Gk only has to figure out which side so its relatively easy 50:50 save. Last 6 pens, eden scored only 3 so there is that.

Either he needs to to take more power to his shots or someone else should start taking them.

Haven't you been watching his pens for the last 3 years? He waits for the goalie to move, then picks a corner. He doesn't gamble. Of course it's an easy save if he decides wrong, he almost passes it.

I don't necessarily like it, but he's been doing it succesfully for most of his career.

[The Skipper 20,591]

2 hours ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

3 yrs ago he had a decent tie against Galatasaray.... His standard is such that he should be man of the match in big champions league games. Now lets examine the games he was nonexistent in... 

2012 Shakhtar both legs he was non existent. "found it difficult in the opening half. Beaten for the second goal" "came on for an injured Lampard after 18mins but struggled to create any space and found his passing game was inadequate.

Juventus 3-0 - played as striker and had zero impact(perhaps DiMatteo's fault)

in 2013-14 we had perhaps the easiest draw of all. The only big games we played were against PSG and Atleti. Against Atleti he was at fault for 2 goals I believe... 

2014-15 - again the easiest group one could imagine... Against PSG 1-1 "Drew numerous fouls to ease the pressure on his team but contributed little substance" 2-2 "Was restricted by Marquinhos and lacked his usual creative influence before calmly scoring Chelsea's penalty after Silva’s handball."

2015-16 - easy group made to look hard... 2-1 PSG home "invisible for large spells of the match and was substituted in the 2nd half. 2-1 away "Started the game off well - testing Trapp on a few occasions, but ultimately failed to dominate Chelsea's attacking play. Was booed off by a section of the home fans in the second half."

 

For me I have yet to see him dominate a big champions league fixture, he is nowhere near lampard let alone Didier in terms of big match influence. The mere suggestion of such a thing is laughable. 

If he stays past this summer the real test will begin!

 

Thanks for this in depth summary. Been saying the same for a while now. He has a chance to really show what he's about next season though.