Politics & Stuff

[11Drogba 2,000]

32 minutes ago, Spike said:

What is he supposed to say? What is anyone supposed to say? What definitive proof can anyone give that they aren't racist besides denying it? 'Racist' is the catch-all term used by the media to 'pox' all that they don't agree with; to the point the word doesn't mean anything anymore. 

Do you honestly think Milo lies awake at night thinking; 'I HATE BLACKS, HOW CAN I RUIN BLACK LIVES' and then afterwards sucks on a black cock? If anything he has a slight racial bias towards black men because he is naturally more attracted to them.

Straight white supremacist men do have sex with black women. The biggest losers, most hateful ones like Milo are actually obsessed about them. Milo is gay, that's his only difference.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

On 2/19/2017 at 9:48 PM, Spike said:

Transsexualism is such a tiny niche that shouldn't get as much media coverage as it does. It isn't an issue for society at large, most people are so insulated in their own lives that transsexualism will never affect their lives. It's a private matter that should be discussed with one's doctors, not the congressman.

TRANSEXUALISM AND BATHROOMS IS A NON-ISSUE. Would anyone even notice if this 'woman' walked into the women's bathroom? No they wouldn't because he looks like a woman and nobody would know or see their genitalia because bathrooms have stalls. This is a true trans-person and you'd never know just at a passing glance. The 'weirdos' Milo is (poorly) talking about are dudes in trenchcoats that merely say they are trans (you can't argue against it, 'HEY! You're not trans!' , isn't socially acceptable) so they can perve on some woman pissing.

I also cringe when people call Milo 'alt-right'. He wrote some stupid editorial that wrongly classified the 'alt-right'. He is actually, as he says quite despised by the alt-right. 

Yeah, it's almost statistically impossible for a woman (or anyone really) to be sexually assaulted by a trans person. 

It's also almost statistically impossible to die in a terrorist attack, be a victim of a crime by a refugee or to have your economical status affected by immigrants (results  of scientific studies into effects of immigration on economy are mixed and almost never significant). They're ALL non-issues.

Those are all fear-mongering tactics. They're not supposed to be rational. The purpose of scaring people about minorities who they don't know much about and see as 'different' to them is to firstly distract from actual real issues and threats like the fact that the wealth disparity is increasing and getting to such ridiculous levels that the wealthiest 8 people in the world now own as much as the poorest 3.5 billion people in the world. In extreme cases it is used to drive nationalism through racism/bigotry...etc.

Of course Yiannopoulos doesn't actually care about women and children using public bathrooms.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

21 hours ago, 11Drogba said:

Gloves are off...Both sides blame the other side as pedophiles now.

That's got to be the new Godwin's law.

Of course it can't be Hitler anymore because nowadays if you're having a debate online you're likely discussing actual Nazis...

[CHOULO19 24,332]

12 hours ago, Spike said:

I think in general, he is right. There are so many factors concerning sex around puberty that the lines of what is 'moral' and 'immoral' are blurred. IT is so dependent on the culture, person, orientation, emotional investment, motives, etc. 

A twenty year-old that sincerely enjoys the company of a fourteen year-old is very different from a twenty year-old that enjoys the company of a fourteen year-old because they are fourteen. 

He's right about ONE thing in that it is not pedophilia. Attraction to adolescents is Ephebophilia. 

But of course you can't make it legal because 13yos can't give consent and there will always be an imbalance of power. Almost all cross generational relations with underage kids are abusive. You can't put all kids, and they are kids, at risk because Milo can give better head because of father Michael....

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14 hours ago, 11Drogba said:

Straight white supremacist men do have sex with black women. The biggest losers, most hateful ones like Milo are actually obsessed about them. Milo is gay, that's his only difference.

I really cannot wrap my head around that logic. So he is racist because you say so?

Having sex with and being in a relationship is different.

Person 1: You're a white supremacist.

Person 2: But my partner isn't white.

Person 3: Doesn't matter, you are still a white supremacist.

 

[Spike 12,049]

3 hours ago, CHOULO19 said:

Yeah, it's almost statistically impossible for a woman (or anyone really) to be sexually assaulted by a trans person. 

It's also almost statistically impossible to die in a terrorist attack, be a victim of a crime by a refugee or to have your economical status affected by immigrants (results  of scientific studies into effects of immigration on economy are mixed and almost never significant). They're ALL non-issues.

Those are all fear-mongering tactics. They're not supposed to be rational. The purpose of scaring people about minorities who they don't know much about and see as 'different' to them is to firstly distract from actual real issues and threats like the fact that the wealth disparity is increasing and getting to such ridiculous levels that the wealthiest 8 people in the world now own as much as the poorest 3.5 billion people in the world. In extreme cases it is used to drive nationalism through racism/bigotry...etc.

Of course Yiannopoulos doesn't actually care about women and children using public bathrooms.

The main issue is the discourse. People are nearly forced to believe someone is something because someone says it to be true. Transexuality isn't an issue, but the people that take advantage of it's new spotlight are.

Well, with illegal immigrants over 70% are on government welfare, so yeah it does affect my pocket when I pay taxes (and I'm an immigrant, haha). I do get what you mean though.

[Spike 12,049]

I always love this guy's videos. An ex-Muslim born in Pakistan but grew up in Canada.

 

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[Fulham Broadway 16,392]

So right-wingers are stupid – it’s official. Psychologists in Canada have compared IQ scores of several thousand children, who were born in 1958 and 1970, with their states views as adults on things such as treatment of criminals and openness to working with or living near to people of other races. They also looked at some US data which compared IQ scores with homophobic attitudes.

The conclusion; your intelligence as a child correlates strongly with socially liberal views. People with low IQs tend to be more in favour of harsh punishments, more homophobic and more likely to be racist. Interestingly, as these were IQ scores measured when young this does seem to be a measure of something innate, not merely exposure to ‘liberal’ views through education.

The inference is that what we call conservatism is a symptom of limited intellectual ability, signified by fear of the new and of outsiders, a retreat into tradition and tribal loyalty, and an unsophisticated disgust at sexual mores that deviate even slightly from the norm. Put bluntly stupidity correlates with insecurity, hatred, pessimism and fear, intelligence with confidence, optimism and trust

[Spike 12,049]

17 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

So right-wingers are stupid – it’s official. Psychologists in Canada have compared IQ scores of several thousand children, who were born in 1958 and 1970, with their states views as adults on things such as treatment of criminals and openness to working with or living near to people of other races. They also looked at some US data which compared IQ scores with homophobic attitudes.

The conclusion; your intelligence as a child correlates strongly with socially liberal views. People with low IQs tend to be more in favour of harsh punishments, more homophobic and more likely to be racist. Interestingly, as these were IQ scores measured when young this does seem to be a measure of something innate, not merely exposure to ‘liberal’ views through education.

The inference is that what we call conservatism is a symptom of limited intellectual ability, signified by fear of the new and of outsiders, a retreat into tradition and tribal loyalty, and an unsophisticated disgust at sexual mores that deviate even slightly from the norm. Put bluntly stupidity correlates with insecurity, hatred, pessimism and fear, intelligence with confidence, optimism and trust

It's official. Africans are stupid; yet they vote democratic? Anybody that buys into bi-partisan politics is an idiot, including me, you and the entire spectrum. Your study was made in the 50s and 60s, it has no bearing on today's society and culture. Greeks also buggered young kids in Classical Antiquity and they are still honoured as some of the greatest philosophical minds of western history.

https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country

http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/j/jencks-gap.html
The left-wing peasants of Cambodia took all the wealthy and knowledgeable people out to the field and cut their heads off because Pol Pot wanted them to. Right-Winger is NOT synonymous with harsh criminal punishment, homophobia and racism. If that were the case then it would be impossible of Libertarianism to exist.

Lefties in Russia murdered children because their parents were royalty.

Lefties in France murdered thousands of people, tortured them to death.

Lefties in China let millions of people starve to death.

No side has a monopoly on 'being superior' to the other.

[Spike 12,049]

I took that IQ test and got the same score from 9th grade. It was an official test and I had to sit down with some lady that specialised in testing 'gifted' children. Of course it was far longer and had a variety of tests as opposed to strictly pattern recognition. 131.

[Fulham Broadway 16,392]

18 minutes ago, Spike said:

Your study was made in the 50s and 60s

The study (not mine) by Canadian psychologists cant have been, if they studied people born in 1970

22 minutes ago, Spike said:

Right-Winger is NOT synonymous with harsh criminal punishment, homophobia and racism.

I think the study was just looking at correlation between low childhood IQ and the fact they tend to be more in favour of harsh punishments, more homophobic and more likely to be racist.

 

[Spike 12,049]

2 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

The study (not mine) by Canadian psychologists cant have been, if they studied people born in 1970

I think the study was just looking at correlation between low childhood IQ and the fact they tend to be more in favour of harsh punishments, more homophobic and more likely to be racist.

 

But it was because they were children in the 60s and 70s (my mistake on the 50s part, I read it as ' examined children from 58 to 70')... They weren't children yesterday. I dislike these sort of studies as they abstain from context and only like at the correlation of two variables. What if one of these dumb kids was bullied by a group of different race kids and grew up to be racist? Being an idiot doesn't equate to racism, I want to know why idiots are more prone to hateful behaviour. Is it because they lack the capacity to emapthise with others? Is it because of environment? Culture? Experiences? Why does the inner-city Black America (I've read the least-educated, most racist and most homophobic) consistently vote Democratic, in opposition to this study?

Some say 'ignorance is bliss' so why are the most ignorant peoples the most hateful?

http://www.pewforum.org/2016/05/12/changing-attitudes-on-gay-marriage/

[Fulham Broadway 16,392]

5 minutes ago, Spike said:

What if one of these dumb kids was bullied by a group of different race kids and grew up to be racist?

Yes that could happen to one  -though the study looked at thousands of people

8 minutes ago, Spike said:

why are the most ignorant peoples the most hateful?

Some of the most bigoted views, homophobic and sexist are found in sub Saharan Africa and the Saudi peninsula - I think a lot of that is dependent on cultural values ie when viewed from a Western perspective, so I agree with you cultural and environmental perspectives come into play too.

[Spike 12,049]

6 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Yes that could happen to one  -though the study looked at thousands of people

Some of the most bigoted views, homophobic and sexist are found in sub Saharan Africa and the Saudi peninsula - I think a lot of that is dependent on cultural values ie when viewed from a Western perspective, so I agree with you cultural and environmental perspectives come into play too.

At the end of they day, I just don't like pigeon-holing people into a 'class' because of one characteristic. It's kinda like assuming a person is a Neo-Nazi for wearing a Fred Perry polo because a racist Skinhead wore one in the 80s. There is usually more to the story.

[Fulham Broadway 16,392]

4 minutes ago, Spike said:

At the end of they day, I just don't like pigeon-holing people into a 'class' because of one characteristic. It's kinda like assuming a person is a Neo-Nazi for wearing a Fred Perry polo because a racist Skinhead wore one in the 80s. There is usually more to the story.

Yes pigeon holing and labelling, pre judging people is stupid. Knee jerk reactions, a closed mind, tend to be synonymous with people of limited opportunities and education - but, and this is crucial, they are usually encouraged by intelligent dangerous people, be it Pol Pot, Bin Laden, David Duke etc

Lol the Fred Perry analogy is true. A fashion icon in the late 60s and 70s, most kids wore them at Stamford bridge. Not all racists wore hem in the 80s ska revival, but a few. Hijacked by fuckin' hipsters now

[Spike 12,049]

6 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Yes pigeon holing and labelling, pre judging people is stupid. Knee jerk reactions, a closed mind, tend to be synonymous with people of limited opportunities and education - but, and this is crucial, they are usually encouraged by intelligent dangerous people, be it Pol Pot, Bin Laden, David Duke etc

Lol the Fred Perry analogy is true. A fashion icon in the late 60s and 70s, most kids wore them at Stamford bridge. Not all racists wore hem in the 80s ska revival, but a few. Hijacked by fuckin' hipsters now

 

I love British fashion from the 60s and 70s but it's a shame that the price is tagged for those with quite a bit more money than originally intended. I'll be fucked paying $85 for a pique polo shirt or $400 for a Baracuta.

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17 hours ago, 11Drogba said:

Straight white supremacist men do have sex with black women. The biggest losers, most hateful ones like Milo are actually obsessed about them. Milo is gay, that's his only difference.

Its doesnt end with Black women either

 

 

Brian Ruhe is a neo-nazi on Youtube, and he has a chinese(from the sound of it) girlfriend now and was Married to a Thai woman in the 90's.   I think in the past marriage could be seen as a political statement, but in these days I don't think so. Especially with many ideas, at least from what I have noticed in Alt-right circles, is the idea that white women are behind the feminism cause.