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Yet you allegedly support a team that by the undertone of the last sentence come from a country you have no time for. You make some good points son but with that last sentence you just sound like another pub bore. Where i come from in London is a heavily populated area of Irish people (i'm half Irish myself) and you'd have people in the boozers selling I.R.A. propaganda and singing anti- English songs and saying how much they hate England (even though they lived there, worked there and there kids were English) yet they would profess there undying love for Man United.

I love British culture and most of the British people I've met. I generally enjoy more British music, literature, and even TV shows more than any other, including Lebanese.

But that has absolutely nothing to do with British war policies that are decided by very few powerful 'elites'. In the last couple of decades alone you've invaded Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and helped start a devastating civil war in Syria and that's just in the middle east. Call it whatever you want if the term "neo-colonialism" upsets you but you constantly make wars for more power and money for your corporations. That's not really questionable.

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You're a neo-colonial nation that only seek exploiting other nations resources through war

It's xenophobic mate simple as. As for you preferring our music, television, football teams and literature to your own well there's a surprise. Ask the average man in the street in England what they know about the Lebanon they'll say extremely weak cannabis and a Human League song. (Of course i'll do a Jeremy Clarkson and say i'm only joking after i'm saying it as if that's ok. Oh Top Gear more of our T.V)

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It's xenophobic mate simple as. As for you preferring our music, television, football teams and literature to your own well there's a surprise. Ask the average man in the street in England what they know about the Lebanon they'll say extremely weak cannabis and a Human League song. (Of course i'll do a Jeremy Clarkson and say i'm only joking after i'm saying it as if that's ok. Oh Top Gear more of our T.V)

Xenophobic? :lol:

List of wars Uk has been involved in since the 18th century:

18th century[edit]
War of the Spanish Succession (1702–13) - England and Scotland, later Great Britain, Holy Roman Empire, Portugal and the Dutch Republic, were allied against France and Spain
Queen Anne's War (1702–13)
Jacobite Rebellions (1715–16; 1719; 1745–46) - Civil War
Clifton Moor Skirmish, near Penrith (1745) - last land battle in England
Battle of Culloden (1746) - last land battle in Great Britain
War of the Quadruple Alliance (1718–20) - Great Britain, France, Austria and the Dutch Republic v. Italy and Spain
War of Jenkins' Ear (1739–42) - Great Britain v. Spain
War of the Austrian Succession (1742–48) - Great Britain, Austria and the Dutch Republic v. France and Germany
Seven Years' War (1756–63) - the first "world war"
French and Indian War (1754–63) - Great Britain, Hanover, Portugal, and Prussia v. Austria, France, Russia, Sweden, and Spain
Anglo-Cherokee War (1759–63) - Britain v. Cherokee nation
Pontiac's Rebellion (1763–66) - Britain v. American Indian coalition
First Anglo-Mysore War (1766–69) - Britain v. Kingdom of Mysore
American Revolutionary War (1775–83) - Britain v. United States, France, Netherlands & Spain
First Anglo-Maratha War (1775–82) - Britain v. Maratha Empire
Fourth Anglo-Dutch War (1780–84) - Britain v. the Dutch Republic
Second Anglo-Mysore War (1780–84) - India
Third Anglo-Mysore War (1789–92) - India
Australian frontier wars (1788–1930s) - Britain v. Australian Aborigines
French Revolutionary Wars (1793–1802) - Great Britain, Austria, Spain, Russia and Germany v. France
War of the First Coalition (1793–97)
War of the Second Coalition (1798–1801)
Fourth Anglo-Mysore War (1798–99) - India
Irish Rebellion (1798) - Britain v. United Irishmen and France
19th century[edit]
Australian frontier wars (1788–1930s)
French Revolutionary Wars (1793–1802) - Great Britain, Austria, Spain, Russia, Prussia, French Royalists v. French Revolutionaries
War of the First Coalition (1793–97)
War of the Second Coalition (1798–1801)
Napoleonic Wars (1803–15) - United Kingdom, Prussia, Austria, Sweden, Spain, Portugal and Russia v. France
South American War (1806–07)
Anglo-Turkish War (1807–09)
Anglo-Russian War (1807–12)
Gunboat War (1807–14)
Peninsular War (1808–14)
Hundred Days (1815)
First Kandian War (1803–04) - Sri Lanka
Second Anglo-Maratha War (1803–05) - India
Vellore Mutiny (1806) - India
War of 1812 (1812–15)
Anglo-Nepalese War (1814–16)
Second Kandian War (1815) - Sri Lanka
Third Anglo-Maratha War (1817–18) - India
First Anglo-Burmese War (1824–26)
Upper Canada Rebellion (1837)
Lower Canada Rebellion (1837)
Syrian War (1839–40)
First Anglo-Afghan War (1839–42)
Battle of Ghazni
First Opium War (1839–42) - United Kingdom v. China
Gwalior Campaign (1843)
First Anglo-Sikh War (1845–46) - India
New Zealand land wars (1845–72)
Second Anglo-Sikh War (1848–49) - India
Second Anglo-Burmese War (1852–53)
Crimean War (1854–56) - United Kingdom, France, Ottoman Empire, and Piedmont-Sardinia v. Russia
Second Opium War (1856–60) - United Kingdom and France v. China
Anglo-Persian War (1856–57) - United Kingdom and Persia
Indian Rebellion (1857)
Pig War (1859) - United Kingdom v. USA
Anglo-Bhutanese War (1865)
Expedition to Abyssinia (1868)
Second Anglo-Afghan War (1878–80)
Anglo-Zulu War (1879)
First Boer War (1880–81)
Gun War (1880–81)
Mahdist War (1881–99)
Third Anglo-Burmese War (1885)
Sikkim Expedition (1888)
Anglo-Zanzibar War (1896)
Tirah Campaign (1897–98)
Second Boer War (1899–1902)
Boxer Rebellion (1900) - United Kingdom, Austria-Hungary, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Russia, USA, and China
20th century[edit]
Anglo-Aro war (1901–02) - Nigeria
British expedition to Tibet (1903–04)
World War I (1914–18) see Military history of the United Kingdom during World War I - United Kingdom, France, Belgium, Serbia, Italy, Russia, United States vs Germany, Austria-Hungary, Bulgaria and Ottoman Empire
Easter Rising (1916) - Ireland
Allied intervention in the Russian Civil War (1918–22)
Third Anglo-Afghan War (1919)
Anglo-Irish War (1919–21)
World War II (1939–45) see Military history of the United Kingdom during World War II
Air warfare of World War II
Pacific War (1937–45)
Anglo-Iraqi War (1941)
British–Zionist conflict of Palestine (1945–148)
Greek Civil War (1946–47)
Cold War (1946–90)
Malayan Emergency (1948–60)
Korean War (1950–53)
Mau Mau Uprising (1952–60)
Cyprus Emergency (1955–59)
Suez Crisis (1956)
Brunei Revolt (1962)
Dhofar Rebellion (1962–75)
Indonesia-Malaysia confrontation (1963–66)
Aden Emergency (1963–67)
Northern Ireland Troubles (1969–mid-1990s)
Cod War Confrontation (1975–76)
Iranian Embassy Siege (1980)
Falklands War (1982)
Gulf War (1990–91)
Bosnian War (1992–96)
Operation Desert Fox (1998)
Kosovo War (1999)
21st century[edit]
Sierra Leone Civil War (2000)
War on Terror (2001–07)[2]
War in Afghanistan (2001–14)
Iraq War and Iraqi insurgency (2003–09)
Libyan Civil War (2011)
Military intervention against ISIS (2014–Ongoing)
Yeah, you're literally pacifists! :lol:
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Farage a right wing fascist?!?!?! :doh:

Young voters are some of the most misinformed idiots, that would vote for someone without having a shred of knowledge about them. That's why lefties are always desperate to lower the voting age, gives them a chance to fool more kids.

Or rather break up this nonsense and let states look after their own business. Definitely wouldn't be a good idea to create a fiscal union.

Are you talking about the spirit to eradicate the Jewish race from this planet? People sure were glad with the Nazis' spirit to mercilessly murder people, didn't die away - right?

Hey! I'm young and informed.
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Farage a right wing fascist?!?!?! :doh:

Young voters are some of the most misinformed idiots, that would vote for someone without having a shred of knowledge about them. That's why lefties are always desperate to lower the voting age, gives them a chance to fool more kids.

Aren't you like 17? :lol:
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So you did exactly as I said you would: Ignore everything I said, not answer any of the facts and then repeat the same soundbites and carefully crafted terms that you have been taught. Brilliant. :D To be fair, you did actually add a few silly cartoons to try to counter the actually pictures on the ground that I posted...

You can repeat that rhetoric till you're blue in the face but it won't change facts:

- Israeli soldiers shoot at civilians for fun.

- The IDF at best does not care for any civilian losses and even targets civilian areas as collective punishment.

- The IDF has intentionally fired at schools with civilians refugees on many occasions, 2, 3.

- Israel puts the entire Gaza strip on a 'diet' by having calorie limit per person on the amount of food that enters the strip.

- Israel actively aims at keeping Gaza economy at the brink of collapse. Source.

- Their prime minister is against the right of Palestinians to have state. Menachem Begin's Herut, the founding ideology of the his Likud party says that it will never relinquish its claim for all of Palestine and even jordan.

Ignore everything you said? Did you not clearly say in your previous post that you weren't going to bother answering any of my points lol and you didn't answer anything about how the Hamas leaders have CLEARLY stated it is their aim to eradicate the Jewish race (along with several other points I made in my original post)

If anything I answered what you said on Hamas and the ruined buildings, I answered the 70 year aggression thing. If you have any other points I missed, write them in bullet points and I will respond.

I will the articles as soon as I post this but by looking at the headlines. Hamas leaders have written in their charter all kinds of things about eradicating Jews from the Earth.

Furthermore, it is a fact that Hamas deliberately fires from civilian locations and uses its people as human shields (in order to gain 'appeal' about their barbaric movement). As well as that Israel uses the technique of roof knocking to alert civilians to escape before the real rockets are fired?

Does Hamas do that?

Anyway I don't fault you for opposing Israel since you are arch enemies with them.

EDIT: What do you mean by I have been taught? You think they teach this to us in school lol?

Aren't you like 17? :lol:

I'm 16, are there not exceptions to the general rule? It's like saying Indians like cricket. We do, but there are some who don't.

But it's generally true, young voters are usually completely misinformed. There are countless young voters (like the ones in the video) who vote for someone despite not knowing anything about them.

Someone in my year (who is going to a EYP Cyprus) asked me whether the radicalised teens going to fight with ISIS are going there to get paid lol.

Here's one story which we often talk about:

So there was this debate outside school where we were trying to discuss promoting the usage of IT Technology in Education, and this person stands up and says:

"We shouldn't use ICT as people need to go outside and be social."

Then I stand up while making a really straight face and say:

"I'm sorry but I'm really worried about you if you're being social while studying." :D

Hey! I'm young and informed.

I know you are, I can clearly see that :D . (read the above post as well) I luckily know some intelligent folks too, but socialists/progressives/liberals always target the younger generation as they are easier to fool.

There are many well informed youngsters but unfortunately the vast majority know nothing beyond Hollywood and gossip....

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Nice bit of cut and pasting from Wikipedia mate. Could you do one as long as what the Lebanon has contributed to the world i'll send you a stamp you can write the list on the back of it.

https://youtu.be/FVVrZJaN1IU?t=101

Yeah I copied them and mentioned the source. Did you expect I was going to compile the list my self?

Lebanon is a very small country that has contributed little to the world apart from the alphabet, and Britain is one of the biggest contributors to global culture. But what does that have to do with the fact that has also always been one of the biggest colonial countries in the world and still is? Unless you are saying that you are somehow entitled to invading other countries for your economic gains because of your cultural history?!

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@NishC300, yeah I'm still waiting for your replies about the facts I posted :D

I replied mate. I told you I replied all the facts I saw in the original post. If there area any I missed out, just tell me lol. No one is evading argument. It's not like this debate is actually gonna affect the outcome of the situation, if I'm wrong - I'll just be wrong nothing else. Nothing wrong in accepting that. If anything you accepted that you didn't answer some of my facts.

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I replied mate. I told you I replied all the facts I saw in the original post. If there area any I missed out, just tell me lol. No one is evading argument. It's not like this debate is actually gonna affect the outcome of the situation, if I'm wrong - I'll just be wrong nothing else. Nothing wrong in accepting that. If anything you accepted that you didn't answer some of my facts.

What exactly did you answer? You didn't answer any of the facts. Let me quote them again for you:

Do you deny that any of that is true?

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[emoji23][emoji23] missed the point completely. At the start of the Euro in 02 there were no poor countries and in fact, Greece should not have been allowed in anyway - it cooked its books.

The Eurocrats should have let Greece go bust anyway. It would have been best for the country but they decided giving them more debt to service to prop up the euro for a few more years would be better.

All you're suggesting is the poorer countries uprising and literally telling the creditors "Hey, while you're at it you can support our whole state cos we don't want to cut anything" when you live off somebody else's money, you make sacrifices. That's a pretty basic concept. When you live off food from food banks, you don't get to have steak anymore.

So I'll turn the argument on its head. Why do they have a right to live off my country's money? It's not like we're rolling in cash to give away.

I was plus 20 when it happened, and euro made everything so expensive. Hell, i was in the US and i came back and it was 30% more expensive. Murica didnt have an answer. I could make a spaghetti with 250 belgian francs which is 6 euro's. All vegetbles, no shit added. Amazing ....... We seem to like the change but it was not a good one.

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DA GREEK EURO FIX

First of all the glorious “no” of the referendum.
What happened to it is depicted in the picture below:

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(I know it’s one of those my foreign friends don’t connect with but it’s such an ever so nice picture, I could n’t resist. Ask another Greek friend of yours what it is.)

The cost
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50 bil plus closed banks while Samaras plan euro-bill costed 2.5 bil.

Losers
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Samaras: Loser
Tsipras: Loser
No voters: 1/3 of them were criminal junta supporters and they are losers
Yes voters: Losers come what may.
Bank robbers: The new unemployed.

Winners
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Messrs Merkel, Schauble

The dark secret of the turf
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Tsipras wanted to lose last Sunday.
An ecumenical government was going to be called upon to sign the agreement and hold elections in October. Tsipras could come back and say “I ‘m a hero, I fought on the beaches, vote for me again”.
He won because the junta lovers went for the “no”
We already knew there were 10% junta supporters of the “no”, the ANEL and the neo-nazi Golden Dawn.
Now it’s 20%, if one makes comparisons of voting patterns with January.
Are the additional 10% mainly ANEL types or Golden Dawn types ? This is something we don’t know at this hour.
The day after, Tsipras p*ssed in his p*nts proceeds to call a conference of party leaders to work out the agreement proposal. Sacks Varoufakis, hides his crazy “president of parliament” Zoe Konstantopoulos.

End

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Ok here's my response to each article you sent. I have numbered it and am debunking EACH AND EVERY ARTICLE YOU SENT IN YOUR PREVIOUS POST:

1) I thought the Americans were madly in love with Israel and defended their 'war crimes', clearly here you've sent me an article from an American news outlet that claims that Israelis are war criminals. Breaking the Silence are the same group of Israel haters as the BDS are.

Well first of all simply upon reading that article, we can see how inaccurate your point is. That very same article also says that IDF troops helped shelter many Gazans as well. Furthermore, to pretend that there are no war crimes in combat by both sides is false. During WW2, the some Allied soldiers committed several war crimes too. Does that make the Nazis the good guys and the Allies a group of oppressors? No. During war due to emotion and anger both sides commit war crimes, are you telling me Israel is an oppressive state because maybe a couple of soldiers committed a war crime? That is simply what strikes you if you read this article without having any knowledge of this conflict and you just use elementary level critical thinking. Ofc upon further research of this situation one would know that the IDF are one of the world's most moral army. They have the world's best civilian:terrorist death ratio (I also recommend reading Professor Alan Dershowitz of Harvard).

Now to begin debunking this properly, I'll just copy paste this as I'm going to have a lot to write. Hope you don't mind the odd bit of copy pasting here and there.

"Breaking the Silence is an organization made up of Israel Defense Forces veterans “who have . . . taken it upon themselves to expose the Israeli public to the reality of everyday life in the Occupied Territories.” The organization seeks to demonise Israel by using inaccurate portrayals of military experiences. The organization collects testimonies from veterans, however, these accounts are anonymous, representing less than .005% of the IDF's combat forces, and not backed up by other soldiers."

Now here's 1 more by a Kuwaiti on IDF forces and the nonsense people were believing from these Breaking the Silence liars:

"“Allah testifies that they are lying”

A non-governmental Israeli organization claims that the IDF that attacked Gaza and the ostracized Hamas used local civilians as human shields and opened fire indiscriminately. The report by “Breaking the Silence” says the IDF destroyed buildings, mosques and private homes, and includes testimonies by 30 soldiers who participated in the attack on Gaza (2008/12/27–18/1/2009), but without revealing their names or unit affiliation.

However these allegations are to be rejected because the IDF has proved that its troops follow international law and obey orders despite the stress of battle. These testimonies lack sourcing or corroboration, thus preventing any conclusions from being drawn... Furthermore, it was the ostracized Hamas that caused much grief when it fired dozens of Qassam missiles at innocent civilians in the southern towns and villages of Israel. The IDF had no choice but to fight back causing the deaths of 1400 Palestinians, half of them civilians used as human shields by Hamas, in addition to the 5,000 wounded. Israel lost just 10 soldiers and 3 civilians.

The IDF defended innocent Israeli civilians against Hamas attacks and did all it could to prevent harming any civilians, targeting just the Hamas men, to disarm them by aerial bombing, shelling, and the use of heavy tractors, while maintaining the humane principles of the IDF that seeks to win with minimal human cost to either side.

The report by “Breaking the Silence” was unfair, unbalanced, and lacking in proof, so one wonders where it was when Hamas used schools and homes for weapons storage or for missile launchers. Israeli pilots reported many secondary explosions after they hit Hamas targets. Where was that organization when Hamas smuggled tons of illicit weapons through a network of tunnels from Egypt?"

Now finally for the 'knockout punch' :P, there was a Breaking the Silence event in Tel Aviv ,and as you know these anti-Semites love cherry picking a couple of troops who will repeat their anti-Semitic rhetoric.

Well here's an Israeli soldier who went up to give his testimony:

Here's the transcript:

"I enlisted in 2006, to the Armored Corps, to the 75th Battalion of the illustrious 7th Brigade, which took part in many famous battles, and participated at all of Israel's wars," Yacobi stated. "The Brigade is also known as 'Storm from the Golan'. After we enlisted, we were imbued with the IDF fighting spirit, and told of heroic deeds and fierce battles. I thought I would be honored to serve my country in that brigade."

(Yacobi is then seen being interrupted and escorted offstage by security personnel from Breaking the Silence, who are heard telling him that "there is a line" for dedicated speakers and that he was breaking the rules.)

_____________________________________________________________________________________________________

Here is the full statement Yacobi intended to say, and that Breaking the Silence wanted silenced.

... From time to time, we were switched to Infantry duty, patrolling various points in Israel. Our patrols caught quite a few Palestinians attempting to cross from the Palestinian Authority areas into Israel.

I can never forget seeing them for the first time... they were just sitting there, in the holding cells, their eyes covered and their hands tied. I was just a young soldier. So I asked one our sergeants, 'what are you going to do with them?' He looked at me with empty eyes and said: 'Nothing, we're transferring them to the Police or to the Border Police.' I could not imagine what they would suffer there...

That was, before I discovered that they would be held for three days, and then set free. In fact, before we transferred them to the police, we provided them with blankets and food, and even cigarettes…

Are you getting that?! These people, who did not cross the border for nothing, some of whom may well have been bent on murder, just because their victims belong to a different nationality, as did the Nazis and before them the Crusaders, would be returned safely to their homes!

However, their intention did not prevent me, or any other IDF soldier, from providing them with all of the human rights they are entitled to. And we do that, knowing that there is a good possibility that one of them could be a heinous terrorist bent on slaughtering me – me, the one that calls you brothers and sisters – or your children and your families.

And that is the virtue that makes the IDF the most moral army of the world, and turns you people into hypocrites tainted with anti-Semitism that try to besmirch the most moral army in the world with lies and slander.

But here, at least, your attempt to use the IDF as a pawn in your political game didn't succeed. And you know why? Because we Israelis know the truth full well, and we know who are the good guys, and who are the bad guys. And you? Have you understood that yet?

If these people are so honest and moral why are they banning a guy from giving his testimony?

Or do these anti-Semites just want to cherry pick a couple of soldiers who will repeat their anti-Israel lies as they attempt to demonise Israel?

Here's one for you to answer:

If Israel are such a bunch of war criminals then why do they use technology like roof knocking to warn civilians? Why do they treat so many Gazans in their hospitals, the people they are so 'hellbent on eradicating'?

But ofc I am sure you have no problem whatsoever with how Hamas terrorists use Gazans as human shields to protect their missiles. How they hide inside schools and hospitals with kids and fire rockets.

The only people that want Palestinian civilians dead is the Hamas! The terrorists they elected! So that they can continue to portray this image of Israel as an evil nation to the world. So that they can use pictures of dead children to sway people into thinking that Israel is the cause of all this! That a state which values ethics, liberty and freedom is the cause of all this NOT A GROUP OF GENOCIDAL TERRORISTS!

It is as Dershowitz calls "The Dead Baby Strategy".
2) Again you repeat Breaking the Silence lies, just read point 1. (listen I could go on for ages about what a bunch of liars these Breaking the Silence folks are)
3) Well you can start off by reading point 1 again and this nonsense on that article about how there was no evidence that the terrorists were firing from there hahahahaha the UN will do anything to criminalise Israel. I guess this isn't enough evidence for them.
These Hamas terrorists constantly use the aid we give them for their civilians to create missiles. The centres we create to benefit their civilians are used by these murderers to stockpile missiles and here's a UN report proving that!
(and there was a 3rd time too ;) )
And here are videos of Hamas troops firing from hospitals and schools (and how careful Israel is to avoid as many as civilian casualties as possible).
This was ofc the big bit of evidence that the NDTV unearthed last summer. This video was quite popular, IIRC CNN showed it too.
Did you hear that Israelis were firing warning strikes? Yes those cruel, murderous Israelis. Just as I've told you on all the previous posts.
As for the Qana massacre, it was a tragic incident and nobody denys that. Israel never wanted it to happen and they have PROVED THAT. The point is you don't blame the Hezbollah who used human shields and continuously fired from locations in close proximity to a UN building as well. Do you not realise that none of this would happen had it not been for the Hezbollah's cowardly tactics?

The very terrorists organisations that one associates with are the reason that all these civlian deaths are occurring! Do you not realise that Hezbollah wants this to happen? So that Israel can be defamed in the eyes of the media?

And you know what is evidence of that? The fact that the Hezbollah deliberately fired AGAIN from Qana in 2006, why? So that the following incident can happen again!
And you know what's even stranger about the 2006 strike? The time between Israel's first strike in Qana and the first building collapse was 7-8 hours!What it takes 7-8 hours for a building to fall!?!?
And you know what's stranger? The roof of that building was intact! There was a crater actually next to the building! Clearly proving that the Israeli air strikes never caused this.
If your movement is so true? Why do you constantly keep lying? (also some interesting points on that in my previous post).
You know what I don't need to repeat all of that stuff. It's all in this video. This post is already so long....
^^^^^^^^

DO YOU DENY THAT?

(will be back after lunch with the reply to the rest of the quotes)
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@NishC300, so your response to facts from unbiased neutral organization that are accepted by everyone as true is to bury your head in the sand and scream "not true" coupled with some wild conspiracy theories with absolutely no reliable sources or evidence save some propaganda videos? :lol:

If I wanted to give you conspiracy theories and propaganda from the Hamas side or even the regular Palestinian side, we would have been here forever. Instead, I gave you hard facts that you can find reported in any reliable unbiased source (except for the last point which is not an event in itself but a historical fact).

Your response of calling Jewish IDF soldiers 'antisemites' :lol: and the UN, the biggest global non-profit organization with people from all over the world, Israel-hating liars; that 'response' if I can even call it that, does not even start to rise to the level of the factual arguments made.

If you wish to debate further, come up with a response of facts and provide reliable sources for them, please, because I refuse to sink to that level of 'debate'.

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