Andreas Christensen

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5 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

Just imagine KDB still at CFC in the Cesc role. + feeding crosses to Morata. SMH Jose. 

Jose never trust young players even if they are very much talented. How dreadful indeed he gets rid of KDB.

Conte does. Christensen is a case in point. Ampadu will follow suit. Conte made it clear.

Come on Chelsea!

[lucio 5,371]

1 hour ago, The Skipper said:

Just imagining KDB still at CFC in the Cesc role. + feeding crosses to Morata. SMH Jose. 

kdb and filipe luis - feeding crosses to morata

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One thing that puzzles me is people's - mostly non-Chelsea fans - reaction to Christensen's performance against United. I know he came in for Luiz but he has started in the XI before and done well in previous matches and yet, people seem surprised by the manner of his performance, as if he came out of nowhere. And speaking of Luiz, the situation around him being dropped is just silly. When Conte dropped Cahill, there was barely any fuss even though he's the captain. Conte dropped Luiz, there's suddenly a big fuss being made about it. Guess it speaks of volume of how the two players are held in different regard but the whole thing is just dumb. Would like to think that Luiz is a proper pro and will eventually work his way back onto Conte's good side. 

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6 hours ago, lucio said:

kdb and filipe luis - feeding crosses to morata

Do not understand why people keep on harping about Luis like he's some sort of genuine world class talent. Did alright at Atletico before we bought him but has hardly been setting the world alight since then, even after returning to Atletico.

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Exactly what we need is players like him.

[LAM09 6,535]

Do not understand why people keep on harping about Luis like he's some sort of genuine world class talent. Did alright at Atletico before we bought him but has hardly been setting the world alight since then, even after returning to Atletico.

People are judging him against our current option. We wouldn't be having this discussion if Sandro was signed.

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1 minute ago, LAM09 said:

10 minutes ago, Jason said:

Do not understand why people keep on harping about Luis like he's some sort of genuine world class talent. Did alright at Atletico before we bought him but has hardly been setting the world alight since then, even after returning to Atletico.

People are judging him against our current option. We wouldn't be having this discussion if Sandro was signed.

Yeah...but it was not like Luis was pulling up any trees while he was here.

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Yeah...but it was not like Luis was pulling up any trees while he was here.

Hard for him to do so with Mourinho around and only 26 games in all comps. We all need to look forward though & forget the players that have gone.

[Pizy 17,860]

If he was English, ourselves, City, and United would be after him and asked to pay £45-50m. We're very fortunate to already have him and even more fortunate that he isn't yet another youth product who went out on loa and either stalled/failed or got discouraged by not getting a chance here and walking. Also very fortunate that Mourinho is no longer here because he wouldn't get a sniff. 

Whats his contract situation looking like? Everything possible should obviously be done to make sure he stays for a long, long time.

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9 hours ago, The Skipper said:

Just imagining KDB still at CFC in the Cesc role. + feeding crosses to Morata. SMH Jose. 

TBH, all this talk of Mou not giving chance to youth is not entirely true. He gave chance to Zouma and he now plays Baily every week at united who was 22 when he arrived.

Its simply a matter of quality and imediate impact. Yes, young players usualy dont have imediate impact, thats the point, but very very few do, and when that is, Mou plays them, regardless of age.

Thats why Zouma played here, Baily and Rashford play at United, Varane did at Real. All under Mou. Pretty sure Christensen would too, if he Mou was still here, because the boy is quality and has imediate impact. On other hand, KDB simply didnt have that impact back then with us. Talented yes, but with much to learn. Even last year, he was very inconsistent, only this year he truly truly stepped up.

Indeed we made mistake selling KDB, but I understand why he didnt play under Mou. It was series of misfortunate moments; Mou coaching him when he was not ready yet, Chelsea loaning him out and as result him wanting to leave when he was becoming realy quality player. If only we put buyback clause, thats where we truly fucked up.

Still the beauty of football is when someone isnt at club anymore, someone else comes. In our case it will just take more time and money to find our KDB again.

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32 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Whats his contract situation looking like? Everything possible should obviously be done to make sure he stays for a long, long time.

He's currently contracted till 2020.

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17 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

TBH, all this talk of Mou not giving chance to youth is not entirely true. He gave chance to Zouma and he now plays Baily every week at united who was 22 when he arrived.

Its simply a matter of quality and imediate impact. Yes, young players usualy dont have imediate impact, thats the point, but very very few do, and when that is, Mou plays them, regardless of age.

Thats why Zouma played here, Baily and Rashford play at United, Varane did at Real. All under Mou.

Funny how all but one there are all defenders. Fits the manager.

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29 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

TBH, all this talk of Mou not giving chance to youth is not entirely true. He gave chance to Zouma and he now plays Baily every week at united who was 22 when he arrived.

Its simply a matter of quality and imediate impact. Yes, young players usualy dont have imediate impact, thats the point, but very very few do, and when that is, Mou plays them, regardless of age.

Thats why Zouma played here, Baily and Rashford play at United, Varane did at Real. All under Mou. Pretty sure Christensen would too, if he Mou was still here, because the boy is quality and has imediate impact. On other hand, KDB simply didnt have that impact back then with us. Talented yes, but with much to learn. Even last year, he was very inconsistent, only this year he truly truly stepped up.

Indeed we made mistake selling KDB, but I understand why he didnt play under Mou. It was series of misfortunate moments; Mou coaching him when he was not ready yet, Chelsea loaning him out and as result him wanting to leave when he was becoming realy quality player. If only we put buyback clause, thats where we truly fucked up.

Still the beauty of football is when someone isnt at club anymore, someone else comes. In our case it will just take more time and money to find our KDB again.

Didn’t really list Zouma as a youngster cos he was a highly rated youth bought to compete with the first team squad. Bailly is the same and joined United for big money. Rashford was brought through by Van Gaal. I’m pretty sure Rashford would probably be out on an obscure loan or something if he was managed under Jose during his breakthrough season. 

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7 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

Didn’t really list Zouma as a youngster cos he was a highly rated youth bought to compete with the first team squad. Bailly is the same and joined United for big money. Rashford was brought through by Van Gaal. I’m pretty sure Rashford would probably be out on an obscure loan or something if he was managed under Jose during his breakthrough season. 

Well KDB wasnt youngster either, he came as very promising player from Genk, already had CL experience...

I thought we were discussing about Mou giving chance to young players, regardless being youth product or foreign talent, as long they are not established yet.

Indeed Rash was brought by Gaal, but still he is 19 (or 20?) and considering Mou plays him, it kinda takes away the rule Mou doesnt play youngsters. He does as long they are performing.

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22 minutes ago, Jason said:

Funny how all but one there are all defenders. Fits the manager.

Haha yes I was about to mention that, but forgot it.

Interestingly given the importance of defenders in his system, I would expect him to throw experienced players at back and one or two youngsters in attack.

I guess it has to do with his great understanding of defending and its easier for him to spot talented defenders and their qualities, but he ultimately falls short on spotting talented attackers, hence he couldnt see KDB potential.

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Defending aside, I think the biggest advantage this guy provides over Luiz is his short passing. Sure, Luiz can play a fifty yard long ball (he can also have 20 diabolical attempts at it in a game) but Christensen is much better when it comes to short passing. That is not just necessarily the accuracy of his passes in terms of placement, Luiz can also be good at passing between the lines and is a good ball playing center back overall, but he sometimes slams it into his teammate's feet or just plays the ball very carelessly.

Christensen on the other hand puts the perfect amount of weight on each and every pass. When passing to feet, he makes sure that the ball is away from the defender pressing the player receiving the ball. Sometimes he even notices spaces surrounding the player he aims to pass towards, plays the ball there and his teammate picks it up in space. This aspect of his short passing is great for some of our players who do not have the greatest awareness on the pitch. All these factors help those around him play much better. That is the sign of a true top player. We saw it with Kante and Christensen on Sunday, both made their teammates play much much better.

He certainly deserves a starting spot from now on, if he didn't already. 

[lucio 5,371]

12 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

TBH, all this talk of Mou not giving chance to youth is not entirely true. He gave chance to Zouma and he now plays Baily every week at united who was 22 when he arrived.

Its simply a matter of quality and imediate impact. Yes, young players usualy dont have imediate impact, thats the point, but very very few do, and when that is, Mou plays them, regardless of age.

Thats why Zouma played here, Baily and Rashford play at United, Varane did at Real. All under Mou. Pretty sure Christensen would too, if he Mou was still here, because the boy is quality and has imediate impact. On other hand, KDB simply didnt have that impact back then with us. Talented yes, but with much to learn. Even last year, he was very inconsistent, only this year he truly truly stepped up.

Indeed we made mistake selling KDB, but I understand why he didnt play under Mou. It was series of misfortunate moments; Mou coaching him when he was not ready yet, Chelsea loaning him out and as result him wanting to leave when he was becoming realy quality player. If only we put buyback clause, thats where we truly fucked up.

Still the beauty of football is when someone isnt at club anymore, someone else comes. In our case it will just take more time and money to find our KDB again.

bailly was a £30m mourinho signing.  KDB was motm in our fist match, he would have had a better immediate impact than oscar and willian

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2 hours ago, lucio said:

bailly was a £30m mourinho signing.  KDB was motm in our fist match, he would have had a better immediate impact than oscar and willian

He could be 100m.

the point is people say Mou doesnt give young players a chance. 

Truth is he gives it to those that are good. 

If you are quality you will play, if you are 5m, free or 100m 

If you have potential to be good, but not yet, Mou wont play you, you will be loaned and if or when you improve elsewhere, you will then play

Kdb had potential, but apart from one top game, he was average here. After he turned good, he decided to leave, nothing we could do here.