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3 hours ago, El P. said:

Would take Gundogan instead of Pogba with my eyes closed. Take Gundo and give RLC chance to become world-beater, that should be enough.

You would have to be watching football with your eyes closed to make a decision like that.

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2 hours ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

You would have to be watching football with your eyes closed to make a decision like that.

Ok sir, explain me why then. Gundogan isn't good enough for us? :)

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3 minutes ago, El P. said:

Ok sir, explain me why then. Gundogan isn't good enough for us? :)

Whoa... slow down. I never said Gundogan wouldn't be good for Chelsea anywhere, I simply said you'd have to be watching football with your eyes closed to want Gundogan over Pogba.

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1 hour ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

Whoa... slow down. I never said Gundogan wouldn't be good for Chelsea anywhere, I simply said you'd have to be watching football with your eyes closed to want Gundogan over Pogba.

Tbh apart from couple crackers he scores, Pogba is nowhere near Gundogan in allround play. Gundogan was arguably best CM of 2013. 

Potential wise, Pogba is miles ahead though. But as of now, Pogba is alot less useful for a team that needs to add some control in their midfield.

That said, Pogba is more like Yaya and Gundo is more likev Xavi, entirely different players.

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1 hour ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

Whoa... slow down. I never said Gundogan wouldn't be good for Chelsea anywhere, I simply said you'd have to be watching football with your eyes closed to want Gundogan over Pogba.

Then what's the deal? I never said Gundogan is better player than Pogba.

 It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with me watching football or watching which player is better. I'm no blind man to tell you that Gundogan is better player than Pogba - he isn't. But they might be close.

I just think Gundogan would be smarter buy, for cheaper price and still (near) world-class. He is only 25, too, he can still develop. It's pretty certain that we offered a load of money for Pogba last summer - they rejected it. Also, I think Gundo would be safer pursuit, with bigger opportunity of player really coming.

Don't want to see Stones-like saga again. I think that was pretty pathetic actually, like there are no other defenders at the market.

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For me, football is becoming about who invests better. Not who spends more like before. Nowadays everyone have money, and lot of clubs could afford 60+ million players, United and Arsenal are the best examples.

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2 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

Tbh apart from couple crackers he scores, Pogba is nowhere near Gundogan in allround play. Gundogan was arguably best CM of 2013. 

Potential wise, Pogba is miles ahead though. But as of now, Pogba is alot less useful for a team that needs to add some control in their midfield.

That said, Pogba is more like Yaya and Gundo is more likev Xavi, entirely different players.

I think Gundo is physically a lot better than Xavi and more suited for EPL. But Xavi was at Barcelona, so there's that. I see Gundo more like a Modrić.

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54 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

 

That said, Pogba is more like Yaya and Gundo is more likev Xavi, entirely different players.

I would agree with this portion however, Pogba is much closer to Yaya than Ilkay is to Xavi... He's nowhere near world class. As a guy who watches a lot of Pogba I would say he is the much more versatile a midfielder than Gundogan. If you wanna talk about overrated look no further than Gundogan. 

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1 hour ago, El P. said:

Then what's the deal? I never said Gundogan is better player than Pogba.

 It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with me watching football or watching which player is better. I'm no blind man to tell you that Gundogan is better player than Pogba - he isn't. But they might be close.

I just think Gundogan would be smarter buy, for cheaper price and still (near) world-class. He is only 25, too, he can still develop. It's pretty certain that we offered a load of money for Pogba last summer - they rejected it. Also, I think Gundo would be safer pursuit, with bigger opportunity of player really coming.

Don't want to see Stones-like saga again. I think that was pretty pathetic actually, like there are no other defenders at the market.

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For me, football is becoming about who invests better. Not who spends more like before. Nowadays everyone have money, and lot of clubs could afford 60+ million players, United and Arsenal are the best examples.

Gundogan is above average, not World Class... We don't need anymore players who can't decide games. 

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2 hours ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

Gundogan is above average, not World Class... We don't need anymore players who can't decide games. 

Well, I'm no Bundesliga expert, don't know if you are.

Maybe someone who was watching Bundesliga this season regularly could tell us?

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15 hours ago, El P. said:

Well, I'm no Bundesliga expert, don't know if you are.

Maybe someone who was watching Bundesliga this season regularly could tell us?

After his meteoric rise in Nürnberg and Dortmund he has somewhat stagnated or even regressed a bit physicallly since 2012. Esp his pace and stamina have gone downhill with his injuries. Apart from that he is still a very good all rounder, good balance, agility, ball control, dribbling, decent strength, the epitome of the modern box-to-box midfielder, like a deluxe version of Axel Witsel. Surely better than above average more like good to very good. No one to decide games but to make your midfield click. Surely better than Mikel\ramires. BTW the reason he stayed at Dortmund was that no one, not even utd gave in to his exorbitant wage demands. And he will stay at Dortmund as long as someone does. I leave it to you if he is the player our midfield needs.

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I only know Gundogan through FIFA since I don't watch much Bundesliga (read: any).  

According to whoscored.com, he's the 17th highest rated player in the Bundesliga (7.38 rating)   http://www.whoscored.com/Regions/81/Tournaments/3/Seasons/5870/Stages/12559/PlayerStatistics/Germany-Bundesliga-2015-2016

Pogba is the 5th highest in Serie A (7.49)  http://www.whoscored.com/Regions/108/Tournaments/5/Seasons/5970/Stages/12770/PlayerStatistics/Italy-Serie-A-2015-2016

If you take note of such things.  

But, for comparison:

Chelsea's best player according to whoscored is Willian with a 7.18 rating (just Premier League).  Cesc Fabregas has a rating of 6.87

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On 1/11/2016 at 9:20 PM, El P. said:

Well, I'm no Bundesliga expert, don't know if you are.

Maybe someone who was watching Bundesliga this season regularly could tell us?

 

My brother is a BVB fan and so I end up watching a fair few games with him aswell as getting my brothers knowledge and put it this way - he'd be chuffed if they got £10M for Gundogan now.

He's regressed badly since his awesome 2013 year, and since he broke his back (or whatever the hell he did, I'll be honest I can't remember) he's been an average player and Weigl, Castro and Sahin are all above him in the pecking order in BVB fan's minds apparently. Also whoever mentioned his wages being the reason he didn't move last summer (I think it was MagicLamps) is completely right, BVB were open to selling him but every team shat the bed at the wages and bonuses he was after.

Pogba is twice the player he is and although I wouldn't be disappointed to get Gundogan (better for sure than Mikel and Ramires) he'd be no more than a decent squad player for us ATM and the wage demands put me off a tad.

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4 hours ago, Viper22 said:

 

My brother is a BVB fan and so I end up watching a fair few games with him aswell as getting my brothers knowledge and put it this way - he'd be chuffed if they got £10M for Gundogan now.

He's regressed badly since his awesome 2013 year, and since he broke his back (or whatever the hell he did, I'll be honest I can't remember) he's been an average player and Weigl, Castro and Sahin are all above him in the pecking order in BVB fan's minds apparently. Also whoever mentioned his wages being the reason he didn't move last summer (I think it was MagicLamps) is completely right, BVB were open to selling him but every team shat the bed at the wages and bonuses he was after.

Pogba is twice the player he is and although I wouldn't be disappointed to get Gundogan (better for sure than Mikel and Ramires) he'd be no more than a decent squad player for us ATM and the wage demands put me off a tad.

Then I was wrong about him, first time ever that I hear that he is no good.

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1 hour ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

I wonder if the transfer ban on the Madrid's will have an affect on where Pogba ends up? Recently heard that Zizou wanted him at Real...

 

I really want Pogba, but iknow we never gonna get him without CL.  Barcelona or PSG are favorites, and maybe City if Guardiola wants him. If we had done a good season this year I'm sure we had been favorites to sign him! Makes me so sad to think about it.

 

We must now start to forget about singning big international stars like Pogba, instead me must think about players that aint playing CL football and can wait for another year! I mean Stones and Barkley is a must.  

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