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why? because you want flashy players in there like Modric or Moutinho? we are not going to be a possession team like Barca under Mourinho! we will be a counter attacking team so what would be the point of having players in midfield who are excellent in possession ect? Ramires and Khedira are much better suited to a counter attacking team, they can both do a job defensively and Ramires has his crazy pace on the counter and Khedira has power and pace like Essien used to. They wouldn't improve us much if we try to play like Barca next season but if we are going to be a successful counter attacking team they would be well suited for our style under Mourinho.

IMO Ramires should be 3rd or 4th option in the double pivot, not 1st or 2nd. He's not a DM, and not a DLP. A good pivot should be 2 of these players: Schweini-Martinez. Gundogan-Bender.

And Khedira is just a meh player, who puts in average or worse performances almost every week. Nothing special and that is why Madrid will let him leave, only to go out and get a better player lol.

If we can get Modric or Moutinho that'd be great, if not i would play Oscar beside a new DM.

2 years of Torres have deluded many. They now think we don't need a Striker and that Lukaku will be enough. How I feel sorry for you lot.

Indeed. That strike force can't win us the league, let alone the CL.

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It reminds me the day when we signed Hector and Djilobodji on the same day.

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Hahaha, very true!

There is also a general overreaction regarding our young players recently. People think everyone will become world class and they are already asking for Bake and Feruz to start getting playing time, Chalobah to become English captain, Josh to take part on the squad, KDB to be an undisputed regular starter, etc.

They are all great (excellent, to be honest) promising players, but nothing more than that for now!

I think the general consensus is that they are excellent prospects who deserve a chance. That doesn't mean people are overreacting or overrating them.

Also if you're referring to me with the 'Chalobah to become English captain' then I think you've misread or misunderstood that.

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I think the general consensus is that they are excellent prospects who deserve a chance. That doesn't mean people are overreacting or overrating them.

Also if you're referring to me with the 'Chalobah to become English captain' then I think you've misread or misunderstood that.

Deserve a chance is one thing, overreacting their role in the upcoming season is overrating them!

And no, I wasnt reffering to you directly, I was paraphrasing many things I have read in their threads and it happened that one of them was yours...

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Deserve a chance is one thing, overreacting their role in the upcoming season is overrating them!

And no, I wasnt reffering to you directly, I was paraphrasing many things I have read in their threads and it happened that one of them was yours...

There's nothing wrong with people getting excited about a very promising crop of youngsters, and if you think people are going overboard then why not present reasoned arguments that present a note of caution rather than just saying people are overrating them?

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There's nothing wrong with people getting excited about a very promising crop of youngsters, and if you think people are going overboard then why not present reasoned arguments that present a note of caution rather than just saying people are overrating them?

Because I am a lazy fucker who dont give a shit if people will agree with me or not! :tophat:

In fact, I have presented all my facts in one of the articles/topics you made about our youth academy once, and if I recall correctly, you agreed with me. There is a difference between agreeing to give them a chance and craving things like: "this one will be English captain", "this will be as legendary as Drogba", "that one will be the new Romario", "the other will be the best keeper in our history", etc. We dont even know if they will be successful Chelsea players, let alone crave those ridiculous statements...

I grew up inside a football club and lived youth academies throughout my (short) life. There are tons, tons of great players who become nothing. The very rare exceptions are the ones who go to become top players (specially in the same academy they were from). If you read our young players thread, there is a general consensus that every single one of them will become amazing Chelsea players. Sorry, but this is wonderland and all that will bring is disappointment.

The types of post I read will only be justifiable once they are playing well for us. Right now, all they have earned is the right to be given decent playing time for our club, nothing more and nothing less. They will only earn my praises once they have actually done something!

Also, I have never said it is wrong to get excited, I said it is ridiculous to get overly excited! ;)

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The 3 (probably) best 'pivots' in world football:

Schweinsteiger - Martinez

Alonso - Khedira

Schweinsteiger - Khedira

It's no coincidence that Khedira is in 2 of the 3 best :rolleyes:

Remember how a lot of Madrid fans didn't appreciate Makelele? And a lot of people just in general never appreciated how incredible Sergio Busquets is/has been at his roll until a bloody brilliant Youtube video came out explaining it perfectly and the media started jizzing all over him? Of course this doesn't apply to everyone, but if you're one of those people who doesn't believe Busquets is in the top 2 defensive midfielders in world football and can't see that a goal-record is not an indication as to how good a striker actually is (Gomez, possibly Falcao etc.) then I'm not surprised if you're the same who underrate Khedira. But you are foolish.

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For me, this should be the squad. New arrivals in bold.

Goalkeepers: Petr Cech, Sam Walker, Jamal Blackman

Right-backs: Cesar Azpilicueta, Branislav Ivanovic, Todd Kane

Centre-backs: John Terry, Gary Cahill, David Luiz, Tomas Kalas

Left-backs: Ashley Cole, Ryan Bertrand

Central Midfielders: Michael Essien, Oriol Romeu, Ramires, Oscar, Frank Lampard, Gylfi Sigurdsson

Wingers: Eden Hazard, Kevin De Bruyne, Marko Marin, Victor Moses, Juan Mata

Strikers: Fernando Torres, Demba Ba, Didier Drogba (or any other older striker who can score a few goals while Lukaku is on loan)

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so now its wrong to get excited about a 20 year old who was the 6th/7th top scorer in PL playing for a mid table team and who played almost half the minutes compared to the players with more goals than him. some comments here are atrocious.

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For me, this should be the squad. New arrivals in bold.

Goalkeepers: Petr Cech, Sam Walker, Jamal Blackman

Right-backs: Cesar Azpilicueta, Branislav Ivanovic, Todd Kane

Centre-backs: John Terry, Gary Cahill, David Luiz, Tomas Kalas

Left-backs: Ashley Cole, Ryan Bertrand

Central Midfielders: Michael Essien, Oriol Romeu, Ramires, Oscar, Frank Lampard, Gylfi Sigurdsson

Wingers: Eden Hazard, Kevin De Bruyne, Marko Marin, Victor Moses, Juan Mata

Strikers: Fernando Torres, Demba Ba, Didier Drogba (or any other older striker who can score a few goals while Lukaku is on loan)

we had 2 problems this season. the pivot and the striker position. i dont think your squad solves any of the 2 problems.

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Players linked with so far : Schurrle, Falcao, Cavani, Alonso, Khedira, di Maria, Lewandowski, Rooney.........

Players I think we will sign : Schurrle

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Why are people saying we can't win the League without a 20 goal a season striker by the way? Bayern are the best team in the World and performed better without a tap in merchant like Mario Gomez in the side. Mandzukic only scored 15 goals but his battering ram approach worked extremely well with Ribery and co. Juve won Serie A at a canter with 10 goal midfielder Vidal being their top scorer.

As long as you have enough goal scorers in the squad (which we do) it can be done. We signed enough flops in the last couple of decades to last a lifetime. Mutu, Sutton, Torres, Sheva, Kezman, Pizzaro, Ba etc

Rather than splashing money on just about anyone I prefer we try and be patient for once and aim to sign the right player. Out of all the strikers available, Cavani and Lewandowski are probably the only two that would fit the squad like a glove. If they're unavailable I prefer we go into the season with Torres/Ba/Lukaku rather than wasting money on the wrong player yet again in complete and utter desperation.

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Why are people comparing Makelele to Khedira?, two completely different roles. Maka was a holding midfielder and a legit link from defense to attack while Khedira is still masquerading as a B2B CM.

For the people saying Ramires is worse, lets take a look at the stats.

Stats------- Rami Khedira

Tackles P/G 3.2 2

Interceptions 1.6 1.2

Passing % 85 82

Passes P/G 37 34

Goals 5 2

Assists 1 2

Dribbles P/G 0.8 0.2

So Ramires basically destroys him in almost every category.

For me Ramires is an incredible player just as long as you don't ask him to be the link between defense and attack. His stamina is almost unheard of, has the pace to keep up with any player, wins an almost abhorrent amount of tackles and duels. And is absolutely lethal of the counter. Liverpool in the FA Cup final, Barca two legs, United & Spurs this season. Big game & "clutch" footballer and one of our most underrated because we ask him to perform in roles he shouldn't.

There is absolutely no need for another Ramires in this squad a worse one of that. Clear as day we're in need of a deep lying midfielder. Luiz has done a commendable job there especially against the s**t teams but in the big games his lack of nous in that role sticks out like a sore thumb.

precisely. how does buying khedira solve chelsea's current problems is beyond me. for me the team first team should be

cech

azpi luiz JT/cahill cole

rambo PROPER DM

MAZACAR

BA

lampard, essien (lets be serious, he is not leaving because of jose) and oriol/mikel are enough of back up. even luiz can chip in if we are hit by a series of injuries. we need to sell mikel, buy someone like WITSEL/VIDAL for the midfield.

also there is no need of buying some1 like rambo. his greatest attribute is his stamina. he can easily play 45-50 games a season and still be up for the next game the next day and u know what he ll be the only guy running on the pitch in the 90th minute leading to a counter.

hence, khedira is not needed or better put, he is not the player to solve our problems right now.

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Outs: Turnbull, Hilario, Ferreira, Benayoun, Malouda (they are all out of contracts) + Marin and probably Piazon

Ins: a new backup goalkeeper, a new double pivot man or a DM, if the double pivot is still used under Jose (Witsel, Alonso, possibly Khedira or even Modric), a new striker (using Lukaku or buying someone among Lewandowski, Cavani, Falcao or Wayne Shrekski) and Schurrle

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Falcao -> Monaco

Cavani -> City

Lewandowski -> Bayern

Rooney -> PSG / stays at ManU

Just started thinking who else we could go for if those moves happen and we miss out on our top targets. How has Leandro Damiao been doing lately? Was very highly rated a while back and was a regular for Brazil but after the Olympics I haven't seen or heard much of him so maybe our Brazilian members could shed some light into him? Had very impressive linkup play together with Oscar at Internacional and Brazil so that would surely help. Valued at around 20m, I would assume?

Spurs have been after him for ages so getting him would surely piss them off, that's always a good thing. :lol:

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If lewandowski,Cavani and falcao are not available then go all out for jackson martinez imo.

If Falcao, Cavani and Lewandowski arent available, we should just recall Lukaku!

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