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It is just crazy that you quite likely will have all of the following old giant teams out of the Bundesliga next season

Schalke

Werder Bremen (the only one who can stay in, but they have to beat or draw with Gladbach to do so and hope Arminia Bielefeld doesnt win or draw if Werder draws)

Hamburg

Köln

that is 4 of the top 9 all-time teams in the historical table, including the 3rd and 4th top teams all time

and Stuttgart, 5th all-time, only just clawed themselves back in

in the next 10, Hertha could have easily went down, and Bochum just came back up

all told, 11 of the top 20 all-time team may well be out, and it easily could have been 14 of the top 20 all time

 

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Bremen, Schalke and Hamburg all in the second division next season.

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bye bye Gerd's record

at the death Lewa scored his 41st league goal

he scored 41 in only the equivalent of 27 games (based on 90 minutes per game)

29  league games played, 5 times left early, 4 of them due to minor knocks, and a 5th were he then missed 4 games straight

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2 German giants go down for sure, and one is in the relation play-offs now, all in the top 9 all-time

including the 3rd all time top team (Werder Bremen)

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4 minutes ago, Vesper said:

2 German giants go down for sure, and one is in the relation play-offs now, all in the top 9 all-time

including the 3rd all time top team (Werder Bremen)

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Bremen, Schalke and Hamburg all in the second division next season.

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all these have failed to get promoted, including Hamburg again

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with one game left, any of these 3 can still win Budesliga 2, OR finish 3rd and have to play Köln in the playoff

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14 minutes ago, Jas said:

Bremen, Schalke and Hamburg all in the second division next season.

what the hell has happened to Kaiserslautern?

they came within 6 points of dropping out of national leagues altogether

crazy how far they have fallen since the 1990's and early noughties

they still have an all-time best abbreviation and logo, lol

FCK

Club crest

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3 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Well of course, Gerd had won everything both at club and NT.

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On 19/05/2021 at 16:13, Blues Forever said:

 

lol, all those Arsenal twats in some chats said he was i the bag for them this summer

he only played half a season due to injury this year

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6 minutes ago, Blues Forever said:

Well of course, Gerd had won everything both at club and NT.

Gerd is my 2nd greatest pure CF of all-time

after Ferenc Puskás

original Ronaldo 3rd

Marco van Basten might have been the top is not for that horrid injury that forced him to retire at 28

Alfredo Di Stéfano is in that mix too

those are my top 5 CF's, all-time

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Shock, horror and grief: relegated Werder Bremen get what they deserve

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https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2021/may/24/shock-horror-grief-relegated-werder-bremen-bundesliga

 

Werder Bremen’s fervent fans turned out in force outside welcome the Weserstadion but a 4-2 home defeat to Mönchengladbach and a late winner for Köln brought devastation to the streets.

The Bundesliga giants can no longer cling to the past after they were relegated in humiliating style on the season’s final day

In some ways, it was like so many other key moments in the history of Werder Bremen. It wasn’t supposed to happen now, though, and not like this. Thomas Schaaf was on the touchline, a reassuring silhouette in cap, glasses and beard but having presided over so many life-affirming moments that gave the team from the Weser worldwide renown, this time he was stuck, left holding the baby.

At the end of an agonising Saturday afternoon the shock and horror was real, after defeat at home to Borussia Mönchengladbach condemned Werder to a second-ever relegation, and their first for 41 years. It was real from former stars like Johan Micoud, the playmaking prince from the 2004 Bundesliga/DfB Pokal double winners (“I want to cry,” he tweeted), Mesut Özil and Davy Klaassen, who was still a Werder player in autumn and escaped to a double-winning season back home at Ajax. It was certainly real outside the Weserstadion, where the outpouring of grief after the match turned to anger in some quarters, prompting the police to advance a water cannon, deploy pepper spray and the players to sneak out of a back entrance to avoid a confrontation.

Blame can’t be attached to Schaaf, the club’s technical director who replaced Florian Kohfeldt for this game as a final throw of the dice. He is part of Werder and the club part of him, serving continuously for four decades as academy scholar, player and coach between 1972 and 2013. That attachment was as apparent as ever in both the emotion steeping through his customary stoicism after the final whistle (“I find it difficult to speak right now,” he said) and in that he had taken on this rescue mission in the first place.

“Schaaf hadn’t been able to say no when Werder had asked him,” wrote Weser Kurier’s Carsten Sander. “[He] agreed because he didn’t want to be accused of running away from responsibility.” Schaaf knows Werder like the back of his hand and knew he had to work on the fundamentals of his squad’s shattered confidence. He even called Kohfeldt to get some insight into the players’ difficulties.

It wasn’t enough. The game was two minutes and 40 seconds old when Gladbach’s captain, Lars Stindl, steered in Stefan Lainer’s cutback from the right, and the sinking feeling set in for Bremen. Gladbach pulled away at the beginning of the second half and it was 4-0 and over before Milot Rashica and Niclas Füllkrug belatedly troubled the scorers.

The Werder Bremen fans were helpless as thewir side got one point from their final 10 matches.

Still, even amid the one-way traffic, Bremen were stumbling towards a repeat of last year’s relegation play-off and a potential reprieve. That all changed with four minutes to go, when Sebastiaan Bornauw’s emphatic header for Köln lifted them above Bremen, prompting ashen faces among substitutes and staff in the stand. This time, there was no escape. Lessons were not learned after last season – although the club has been circling the plughole for a while, with not a single top-seven finish since the last qualification for the Champions League in 2010 – and one point taken in the last 10 games of this season tells its own story. “You have to be honest,” lamented the captain, Niklas Moisander. “It’s difficult to say we deserved to stay up.”

The increasing sentiment is that at all comes back to another man steeped in Bremen history, the sporting director, Frank Baumann, a mainstay of Schaaf’s double winners and other famous triumphs. “I’m not someone who runs away from difficult situations,” Baumann said after the game when asked about his future. Yet he was not ready for the last difficult situation, when he chose not to fire Kohfeldt a month ago after a seventh straight Bundesliga defeat at Union Berlin, losing vital time to regroup. Baumann and the supervisory board chairman Marco Bode, another club legend, are under huge pressure from supporters.

Next season’s renewal of the Nordderby with Hamburg should make Werder look closely in the mirror. Their rivals are facing a fourth consecutive season in the second tier after unsuccessfully attempting a series of short-term fixes, and Bremen need culture change. Debts of €75 million demand it, and with Rashica, Ludwig Augustinsson and others needing to be sold, one wonders how competitive a team they can construct. Veterans Moisander and Theodor Gebre Selassie (the latter has been at Werder for nine years and was in tears at full time) are out of contract and will leave. Perhaps the only silver lining is that the misfiring Davie Selke will also leave at the end of his 18-month loan spell. He would have had to been signed permanently had Werder stayed up at a €12 million cost they can scarcely afford.

Theodor Gebre Selassie walks off the Weserstadion pitch, probably for the fin al time, unable to hold back the tears.

Given that the last three coaches have come from within the inner circle (Viktor Skripnik, another of the 2004 side, Alexander Nouri and Kohfeldt), it seems logical that outside influence is required. Who will be brave enough to take it on is another question. What is certain is that clinging to the past will no longer do for Werder Bremen.

 

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