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Let me start this long post off by saying: "I do not want Lukaku, as much, nor do I rate him as big as some people do."

However, Lukaku has massively improved. I was one of the people who was slating him, because he really was frustrating. But, Koeman has worked on his technical aspects. I will lay out my arguments on why Lukaku would be able to replace Diego and why he wouldn't, so please bear with me, here:

- Diego isn't better than him technically - Diego is as frustrating as you can get, when off form. Dire passing, no dribbling ability, rarely manages to hold on to the ball, can't shield with his body, no aerial pressence. He offers NOTHING. Basically like playing with 10 men. Lukaku, while not being the second coming of Suarez, is still an okay player with the ball at his feet. He also has a good aerial presence on him, good headers. He can shield and bully defenders. He also has okay passing on him, can name quite a few times he has managed to create fast counter-attacks, make one - twos or just combine with a teammate in no - way Diego would.

- He is playing in an above average Everton - He has nobody, who can constantly come up with something out of nothing. Barkley, Mirallas, Lookman , etc. are all inconsistent in their performances. He doesn't have the service, which he could have here. Difference with Hazard/Pedro/ Cesc in behind him, who all offer something different for him to be able to pounce on.

- Big Games - Above point being the main factor. People want Lukaku to be a nuisance and conquer big games. How can he? Against Liverpool, against United, Everton couldn't create anything. The one time, everything was clicking for them, was vs. City, and Lukaku and Davies were the main culprits, and unsurprisingly they won 4 - 0. And let's be honest, has Diego really been THAT unreal in big games? Or any striker in the league, maybe bar Aguero(who has also missed tons of chances in those games, which is worse), for that matter? Diego was unreal vs City. PSG last year. Pretty much it. His goals vs. Liverpool, United were tap - ins. Not saying they aren't goals, but would Lukaku miss? He could, but would he really? Diego has also went missing in big games, let's not act like it isn't true.

- Age - He is still relatively young. Much work can be done with him. He can develop even more. And as recent interviews from him and team-mates/coaches have came out, he always likes to develop and up his game. Reason why his overall play is SO MUCH different to before.

- Goals - This year us becoming champions has just again cemented the fact that wins vs. small sides guarantee you Championships. And Lukaku does guarantee goals. Especially with an increased batch of service.

- HG - Counts for the HG quota. Which is why I think we're targeting mostly him

- Lack of WC forwards - Belotti's amazing, but will cost even more perhaps. Icardi won't leave. Who else is out there?

Things that put me off the move:

Technicality -  What if, this his ceilling from a technical point of view? I doubt it, but what if? He will be a 50/50 player, who will create some and ruin some. Not much of an upgrade to Diego. Just a small one.

Lack of experience - He's yet to lead a line as big as Chelsea's. All props to Everton, but the expectations aren't as big as with us. He has to guarantee goals and creativity in order to be our new no. 9. And do it on a consistent basis for it to be the right choice and to please fans. Especially the ones who will be on his back, because of the fact they do not rate him. Plus, he's never really played in the CL. The only time he's been leading a line from the top level is Belgium, and he is hit and miss there, BUT there is the problem with Wilmots and the fact the whole Belgium squad is still hot and cold, despite all the potential.

Price tag - Yes, I know the inflation of prices. I realize he won't cost 30 mil. given the fact he's bagged 20 + goals on a regular basis, but in no way should he cost more than 50. Won't renew. Wants to leave. Should lower the price. We can't force ourselves to overpay for him. Would rather watch Alexis at the 9, if we get him, or just throw the money at Icardi and try for him.

 

 

 

Can argue about all of the Pros for hours, tbf,  so yeah.

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I'm afraid not a lot of you will have seen the interview (let alone be able to understand a single word they say ). So here's the summary of the most important things that have been said: He's feeling

Big words from Drog.

Wrong shirt at the wrong moment Romelu

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17 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

Lukaku deal makes no sense whatsoever. His development since joining Everton has been exactly as expected when he left. A perfectly linear trajectory. He has always been like this, at boro, WBA or on his loan spell at Everton. Scoring multiple times against small sides and disappearing completely against the big ones. There is no way he justifies that fee and I am not confident at all that he will good enough to lead the line against top teams. Physically, he can dominate almost any defender in world football but a skilfull centre back will still nullify his presence completely. He was up 1,68m Philip Lahm when we were 2-1 up in the UEFA Super Cup against Bayern. He was brought in for Torres to hold the line and keep high balls from. He could not even  win a throw in and produced nothing but turnovers. In the shootout he delivered one of the worst pens in history. He is still very much that player. 

He's never played for Boro.

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38 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

Lukaku deal makes no sense whatsoever. His development since joining Everton has been exactly as expected when he left. A perfectly linear trajectory. He has always been like this, at boro, WBA or on his loan spell at Everton. Scoring multiple times against small sides and disappearing completely against the big ones. There is no way he justifies that fee and I am not confident at all that he will good enough to lead the line against top teams. Physically, he can dominate almost any defender in world football but a skilfull centre back will still nullify his presence completely. He was up 1,68m Philip Lahm when we were 2-1 up in the UEFA Super Cup against Bayern. He was brought in for Torres to hold the line and keep high balls from. He could not even  win a throw in and produced nothing but turnovers. In the shootout he delivered one of the worst pens in history. He is still very much that player. 

So you're saying Lukaku is still the same player from about 3/4 years ago and that his game hasn't matured at all essentially? People do the most when it comes to Romelu. All this hate is incredibly irrational imo. 

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It sounds more rational, level headed & reasonable to imply Lukaku's improved.

But no, he hasn't. His finishing's the same, his physical ability is actually not as good as it was before in terms of strength, perhaps marginally better stamina-wise, but that'd go to dust the moment he's playing in 2 top competitions. 

He was so highly touted at 17 because unlike most, he was already at his best. Numbers and age aren't magical; you don't have to be 25 or 28 to be in your prime. He was already the player he was, and that's the player he still is; his traits, strengths and weaknesses are going nowhere, up or down, if he joins us. What you see is what you get.

He's had 4 years to improve but hasn't improved his - heading ability, agility, work rate...and now ball control, I have to say he's improved that, but Matic is still superior. He hasn't improved his range of shots, he hasn't improved his ability to win the ball off defenders (that trait has gone down), I could go on about all that he was at 17 which he still is now, or isn't even now, which isn't good. Before he was raw and special. That boat has sailed. He's typical now, and we've all seen stories like his before. B- class players.

He isn't 20% more of what he was before, & he's about to be sold for genuinely, 5 times his value, compared to his peers. At least Morata has experience in Europe; you know, something actually measurable to say, this player is worth more than others. But Lukaku hasn't done shit compared to his peers :lol:Benteke, Vardy, Defoe & more have all ripped through the scoring charts themselves, and that's the only thing he's ever done. Never steamrolled a big team, never offered inspiring defense a la Drogba, who he's supposedly supposed to emulate. He's never dribbled past 2 players to release a progressive pass, or got to the 70th minute without panting his eyes out. And that's with him standing around, not running, for 20 minutes per game already. 50 minutes knackers him :lol:, because he's a bodybuilder in an athlete's sport. In fact barely anyone in the Premier League can pass for a top footballer now, so that's no diss to Lukaku. All a bunch of just muscled up or toned up freaks w/ no dedication to fulfilling their potential in the sport. Weaklings compared to what we know. Simply dumb compared to the athletes in every other football league in Europe, where every other striker we've been looking at, currently is.

Buy the player who's good every season, not the player who's good 45% of the time solely because he plays in a league more about pushing eachother over than kicking the ball, which can't translate into European games.

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I'm not much of a Rom fan, but I think he has improved since we sold him. He still makes some poor passes after holding up the ball, but he reliably holds the ball up and can win it in the air. As others have said, he can consistently win aerial duels and his headers have very good velocity. He can score with both feet and his shot accuracy is fairly good. What he lacks: some trickery and elusiveness. However, I think he could become a little more elusive when playing with a much better side with players like Willian, Pedro, Hazard (and the next player we buy).

If Diego's recent form is an indication of what to expect of him for half of a season while the previous two seasons indicate a player that only plays well when it's not too cold, etc. etc., then Lukaku is an upgrade over Diego.

We need some better arc and accuracy from wingers and wingbacks to generate more header chances if we do buy Big Rom back.

Lukaku just never seems to me to be the future superstar striker every club wants (unlike Harry Kane or Mbappe), but nonetheless, I think if he returns here, he improves even more under Conte and with our better players around him. Hopefully though, Chelsea will investing in more players who are lethal finishers this summer along with better CM and WBs.

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When in flying fuck has Lukaku scored more than 2 headed goals in a season? His aerial ability has improved compare to Pedro's. Compared to a built man his size, it's pathetic. It's like having the longest legs in class, and saying you've improved because you finished 2nd-last this time, not last. Don't mark that down as progression :lol:Mark that down as finally being at the starting line, 4 years late. If you learn to head the ball at 24 you're not good enough for Chelsea ffs:lol:

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People are sugercoating 'barely passable', 'finally able to do without falling over', as 'OK' and 'good enough'. We know that's stupid.

And the people doing that sugarcoating, are in the same basket as those saying Lukaku would be a fine signing. They seem on the same side. So those saying Lukaku would be a fine signing, silently OK'ing it too, are aligned with some very stupid perspectives. Let's continue.

The people against Lukaku's signing, me, the people who consistently like my posts regarding this, are, without mincing words, the thinkers and observers of the forum. The people with slightly higher brain power (someone has to have it. nobody who has it though, enjoys it.)
From the most eloquently spoken & philisophical thinkers, to multi-million / revenue brand owners, it's not the Fifa players who like my posts about Lukaku being terrible (and more evidence of their brain power, is the fact they'll quietly support someone like me, instead of being the person who takes the heat, like moi.) 
It's the people who 'see' what others don't, who'll no doubt go on to dominate whatever field they choose, since that's just how some people are - incredibly accurate thinkers & observers - which allows you many more options to trial & error, meaning you've a far wider spread to evaluate.

And these are the people the highest officials of the lands trust. These are the people who know the human mind most, and become psychologists, sociologists. These are the people who have an edge in evaluating talent, in any field, because of the unique & far more effective measuring ability. And having such a talent, obviously lumps us into the minority - making it absolutely no surprise, that it's the slight majority on here, who would go down this far more illogical path, of seeing shit as a diamond. You'll consume anything without questioning it if you're starved, mentally as well as physically. And you are starved if you're not actively feeding your mind every day - which passively soaking up the world, is not.
If you know your thoughts are shared by 17 year old Fifa video makers, as well as 45 year old Bill on Twitter who can't spell his own name & supports both Chelsea and West Brom, you probably shouldn't spout nor take those thoughts too seriously, you definitely have more to learn. That was a measuring tool. If many 17 year olds know what you know, and you're a lot older, you don't know enough. Unless you're on a Chelsea forum. Then everyone has the same capability to evaluate, and every perspective is equally valid, apparently. But if that's the way the world spun, we'd still believe the earth was flat.

 

I hope whoever's reading this, has an instinctive negative thought or feeling reading this, maybe a veiled sense of humour too, either breaking down or dismissing what I've just written to try & prove some futile point for the 'lolz' or to mask lack of confidence & security. It won't be about football. They'll feel it's 'them' I'm referencing by instinct, and by that alone I don't need to point anyone out as being one of those with the baseless opinions. Only those in that basket will react.

This isn't a thinkers place, so it's no wonder me & my perspectives don't feel nourished here; Perspectives also shared by some very popular, barely active forum members you'd instantly raly behind - before realising those members agree w 9/10 of my posts :doh:Image. It's everything. And it's the only reason Lukaku's even in the Premier League.

Now stop being fucking idiots & thinking nobody knows more than others. Some do know far more about people, which footballer's are. And I'm sure you others know just as much, about plumbing, finance, driving, leadership. But you don't know how to break down a person, player, brand, skill, moment like us. Not at all:cig:Hardly anyone can. But if you can, it's your duty to offer that skill. If you can't, it's a duty to accept there are others you should listen to and learn from. Either confidently know what you're saying, or confidently be quiet. I'm struggling to see perspectives in here since they're buried under half-hearted opinions based on absolutely nothing other than a need to be heard regarding every transfer we make. It's natural. But it's not quality thinking or posting.

 

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2 minutes ago, Leif said:

When in flying fuck has Lukaku scored more than 2 headed goals in a season? His aerial ability has improved compare to Pedro's. Compared to a built man his size, it's pathetic. It's like having the longest legs in class, and saying you've improved because you finished 2nd-last this time, not last. Don't mark that down as progression :lol:Mark that down as finally being at the starting line, 4 years late. If you learn to head the ball at 24 you're not good enough for Chelsea ffs:lol:

IDK. maybe heading accuracy isn't so good. I don't watch Everton enough to know about how many chances he gets, but I do know that their side do NOT create enough chances consistently in every match during a season.

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Just now, Leif said:

People are turning 'barely passable' to 'OK' and 'good enough' now. It's genuinely sickening seeing the standards or the minds slip to this degree. It isn't normal. No other club linked to him including Utd's fanbase are being this damn dense and predictable.

Chill out. We're not in charge, Leif. Most people here still regard Lukaku as a compromise. Anyway, when it comes down to the most desirable younger strikers in Europe, I it's still hard seeing Chelsea as a top destination when the real big clubs come knocking.  

A player like Mbappe or Belotti would be nice...

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Have a feeling some people in this thread will be eating their words if Lukaku rejoins. Or heaven forbid he ends up at United instead and becomes José's #9 for the next 5 years.

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25 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Have a feeling some people in this thread will be eating their words if Lukaku rejoins. Or heaven forbid he ends up at United instead and becomes José's #9 for the next 5 years.

Tbh United will get a good striker one way or the other. Be it Lukaku or someone else.

As long we get proper striker and it works, I couldnt care less if Lukaku or whoever else bangs them for United. 

The same why Im not jealous of City and Aguero, because we have Costa (at least when he is on form haha).

People look at other clubs way too much. Its inevitable that United and every other top club will improve. But as long we do, which is only thing that matters, we will be alright. 

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1 hour ago, Magic Lamps said:

Lukaku deal makes no sense whatsoever. His development since joining Everton has been exactly as expected when he left. A perfectly linear trajectory. He has always been like this, at boro, WBA or on his loan spell at Everton. Scoring multiple times against small sides and disappearing completely against the big ones. There is no way he justifies that fee and I am not confident at all that he will good enough to lead the line against top teams. Physically, he can dominate almost any defender in world football but a skilfull centre back will still nullify his presence completely. He was up 1,68m Philip Lahm when we were 2-1 up in the UEFA Super Cup against Bayern. He was brought in for Torres to hold the line and keep high balls from. He could not even  win a throw in and produced nothing but turnovers. In the shootout he delivered one of the worst pens in history. He is still very much that player. 

mostly agree , think the last few bits about the Super Cup harsh he was only 19 and improved from that! 1/5 to join Chelsea now!

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While I am not Lukaku's greatest fan, and do not see him as a world class striker worth 80m barring some clauses, I still think he is a logical purchase. 

Diego has in my opinion outstayed his welcome. He is brilliant on a good day, but at the same time very unreliable. He very often makes the wrong choice when leading a counter, his passing is at time atrocious and a combination of diving and sulking does not help him either. Combine that with him wanting to leave, and you are currently short a long-term solution in the attack. He hasnt exactly been brilliant in CL for Chelsea either (2 goals in 13 starts). 

This implies that we really need a new striker. Who then?
People say Belotti, but its just a flavour of the season. Who here would have said the same name last year? How many have seen 10+ games of him playing? Perhaps he is a world class striker ready to take on the world, but this was his first really good season and it was in Serie A. Lukaku for all his faults has been extremely consistent as a goal scorer for 5 seasons now. How many other 24-year olds do you guys know with almost a 100 PL goals? Players are not static, they develop over time. If Lukaku ends up under a world class coach such as Conte and his team, why would he not be able to improve in certain areas? 
Morata is a very risky option. Many report him to have poor stamina, he does not have the heaviest frame and his real capabilities are still somewhat under question. I would not mind him here at all, but he is in no way a guaranteed success. 

Lukaku is the most convenient choice. Let's assume for a second we pay 60m punds straight up, and the rest in performance related clauses. In such a scenario, he has to some degree been covered by the purchase of Oscar. An unreliable bench-warmer for one of the most consistent PL goal-scorers seems like a pretty good deal to me. 
The most important aspect of this transfer saga to me is that this transfer does not lead to compromising other deals. If we end up getting Tolisso/Baka, a RW backup, and cover for the sing backs together with Lukaku, I would call it a darn good transfer window. I would also like a CB, but I am willing to give Christensen a chance too. 

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1 hour ago, Pizy said:

Have a feeling some people in this thread will be eating their words if Lukaku rejoins. Or heaven forbid he ends up at United instead and becomes José's #9 for the next 5 years.

No matter what he does he will be their scapegoat whenever we don't win. You should know them better by now. I am pretty sure most of them did not even watch Belotti for 10 full games btw.

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