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closed Chelsea 2-2 Sheffield United

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Man of the Match   17 members have voted

  1. 1. Who is your Man of the Match?

    • Kepa
      0
    • Azpilicueta
      0
    • Tomori
      0
    • Zouma
      0
    • Emerson
      0
    • Jorginho
      0
    • Kovacic
      0
    • Barkley
      0
    • Mount
      1
    • Pulisic
      0
    • Abraham
      15
    • Willian (sub)
      0
    • Gilmour (sub)
      1
    • Batshuayi (sub)
      0

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4 minutes ago, Jason said:

He brought Alonso on at Norwich to see out the game and we won. Did you say anything then?

Hardly a good example. Alonso replaced an injured Mount with Emerson moving up the flank. Nothing changed in terms of the defensive system.

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4 minutes ago, milan.cech said:

Hardly a good example. Alonso replaced an injured Mount with Emerson moving up the flank. Nothing changed in terms of the defensive system.

Still brought on a defensive sub when he could have brought Batshuayi on and switched formation.

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Frank has a lot to learn...  but with half a team to come back, it certainly has a feelgood factor for me.

Next big one... shape up Willian or do one in January.I thought he would play a big part this season with hazard gone, but I now think the way frank is giving kids lots of game time, that he will favour Hudson odoi on the left side when fit.

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I just wana see us with a postive goal difference. Everytime look like got a chance we let in so many goals. Still on - 3. Started the seeaon on - 4. Hasn't really changed 

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1 hour ago, Jason said:

He brought Alonso on at Norwich to see out the game and we won. Did you say anything then?

And this isn't or shouldn't be about the 'Mourinho spirit'. It's a matter of reading the game, recognizing the situation and making the right adjustments to get the wins. Even the best managers like Guardiola, Klopp have made pragmatic changes to see out wins. A tiny bit of pragmatism wouldn't hurt. 

Tbh on reflection i think the Gilmour sub was correct, putting on AC, Tomori or Zouma in a position they've likely not trained in all season would have been a lot more risky. The one qualm i have though is why did he not play more in pre season if he was potentially going to be 4th choice CM?

The Michy sub however was very bad, he's the type you bring on when your desperate for a goal whatever means how, not desperately trying to hold a lead.

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3 hours ago, Tomo said:

Tbh on reflection i think the Gilmour sub was correct, putting on AC, Tomori or Zouma in a position they've likely not trained in all season would have been a lot more risky. The one qualm i have though is why did he not play more in pre season if he was potentially going to be 4th choice CM?

Feel like that is something the coaching staff should be preparing the team really. The Gilmour sub had no impact whatsoever. 

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Tbh on reflection i think the Gilmour sub was correct, putting on AC, Tomori or Zouma in a position they've likely not trained in all season would have been a lot more risky. The one qualm i have though is why did he not play more in pre season if he was potentially going to be 4th choice CM?
The Michy sub however was very bad, he's the type you bring on when your desperate for a goal whatever means how, not desperately trying to hold a lead.
He doesn't seem like the ideal option with 7 minutes remaining. Playing Alonso/Emerson on the left wing and a midfield three of Joringho, Mount & Willian should have been able to see it out.

Gilmour didn't exactly solidify our midfield.

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Weakest players in this squad are probably Willian, Zouma, Barkley, Alonso, Batshuayi, and maybe Pulisic. Sure, Barkley will get more opportunities this season and we will see about Pulisic too, but I think Zouma is just going to be an incessant liability (he has always looked shaky and injury-prone to me since he joined us, nevermind the OG). Willian will continue to be ineffective against any strong side.

I would predict that Willian, Alonso, Zouma, Bats, and Barkley will be on the way when this club are ready to make buys ahead of next summer's window.

Tomori looks good and Kovacic is looking great.

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7 hours ago, Tomo said:

Tbh on reflection i think the Gilmour sub was correct, putting on AC, Tomori or Zouma in a position they've likely not trained in all season would have been a lot more risky. The one qualm i have though is why did he not play more in pre season if he was potentially going to be 4th choice CM?

The Michy sub however was very bad, he's the type you bring on when your desperate for a goal whatever means how, not desperately trying to hold a lead.

All sub are a bit of head scratcher, it made us somewhat more offensive rather more defensive which is weird. It feel like Lamp think that we can score more. 

 

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9 hours ago, Bosnian Blue said:

Thank fuck Lamps didn't sub a defender on even if it means we lost two points now. I am sick of that Mourinho spirit still surrounding the club. 

 

Lol even pep brought in defender or Fernandinho when he try to seal win. Everyone does this. 

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23 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

At what point have I said to play youth for the sake of it?

My point is that it's easy to manage in hindsight. We could all do that given the opportunity.

I'm not even saying that Lampard was right in his decision and there will be a learning process still for him, let alone our younger players.

I'm simply arguing your point that the sub made no sense. Gilmour was the closest player profile on the bench to Kovacic to play in the midfield and as I said on a previous post, Lampard at the time has possibly decided that he didn't want to invite more pressure in the last 10 minutes by throwing another defender on and instead hoped bringing on fresh legs in the midfield and being someone comfortable in possession was the better way to approach the situation to try and wrestle back possession and control of the game. It's an alternative and more positive way of trying to see the game out. 

It hasn't worked this time hence the criticism of the choice, but I can understand Lampard's thinking and I can respect his positive approach to the situation.

Again it has nothing to with hindsight. If Lamp brought in defender and we still lose, I won't blame Lamp for his sub at all. 

There is no way you expect Billy Gilmour to come at the 84 min to wrestle the game for Sheffield. 

The only explanation that I can think of with michy and Billy sub is Lamp think that we can score one more goal. 

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1 hour ago, communicate said:

All sub are a bit of head scratcher, it made us somewhat more offensive rather more defensive which is weird. It feel like Lamp think that we can score more. 

 

Chelsea should never protect one goal lead against teams like Sheffield at home. 

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9 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Chelsea should never protect one goal lead against teams like Sheffield at home. 

We cannot protect it - history has proven it time and time again.

It's not the players it's a mental thing - we are so mentally weak as a team it's scary.

We really need to work on that 

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10 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Chelsea should never protect one goal lead against teams like Sheffield at home. 

I don't understand why some of you act with soooooo much arrogance towards these clubs. It's not me and you or some other Sunday League folks that Chelsea have blown a 2 nil lead against, in the end it's a PL club and the fact they are not named Man City does not mean they are useless. It's not the name on the badge playing, it's the people on the pitch and Sheffield have faced an attacking trio of 20 year olds (Mount, Tammy and Pulisic) playing - such as Sheffield's players - their first PL matches, a hit and miss midfielder - and average at best if you ask me - (Barkley) and a defence of two below par guys (Zouma and Azpilicueta) and a youngster (Tomori). 

This was not Lampard, Drogba, Terry, Ashley Cole's Chelsea that have blown a two goal lead, it's simply a new, very young and inexperienced one and definitely not light years ahead of clubs like Sheffield United as some of you like to think. In three or four years maybe, if these young guys follow their projected trajectory, but at the moment we can't hope for free points just because the name is Chelsea FC. 

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53 minutes ago, Muzchap said:

We cannot protect it - history has proven it time and time again.

It's not the players it's a mental thing - we are so mentally weak as a team it's scary.

We really need to work on that 

More and more turning to Arsenal in latter Wenger years......shameful.

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1 minute ago, petre.ispirescu said:

I don't understand why some of you act with soooooo much arrogance towards these clubs. It's not me and you or some other Sunday League folks that Chelsea have blown a 2 nil lead against, in the end it's a PL club and the fact they are not named Man City does not mean they are useless. It's not the name on the badge playing, it's the people on the pitch and Sheffield have faced an attacking trio of 20 year olds (Mount, Tammy and Pulisic) playing - such as Sheffield's players - their first PL matches, a hit and miss midfielder - and average at best if you ask me - (Barkley) and a defence of two below par guys (Zouma and Azpilicueta) and a youngster (Tomori). 

This was not Lampard, Drogba, Terry, Ashley Cole's Chelsea that have blown a two goal lead, it's simply a new, very young and inexperienced one and definitely not light years ahead of clubs like Sheffield United as some of you like to think. In three or four years maybe, if these young guys follow their projected trajectory, but at the moment we can't hope for free points just because the name is Chelsea FC. 

Yeah I can dig that......no such thing as an easy 3pts unless your city with pep plus unlimited cash, or pool who have had klopp for 5 seasons and backed him with HIS players. Its a process, but sadly I cant see the board spend quality money on quality players that suit our style, shit in 2 years Frank may not even be here. We have essentially gone way too stale to fight the big boys in europe.

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25 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

Yeah I can dig that......no such thing as an easy 3pts unless your city with pep plus unlimited cash, or pool who have had klopp for 5 seasons and backed him with HIS players. Its a process, but sadly I cant see the board spend quality money on quality players that suit our style, shit in 2 years Frank may not even be here. We have essentially gone way too stale to fight the big boys in europe.

You are right at this point there is not even a debate where we at compared to the big clubs, but if you want my two cents on what is going to happen next summer well I believe we'll be in for a couple of marquee signings, ban is going to be over, the money is there, maybe not Mbappe level type of transfers, but quality ones, like Mane type of transfers, or Salah, you know what I mean? Does not mean it has to be attacking players, I just gave an example of a footballer profile, quality players that would go right into the first team and improve it instantly. 

Klopp finished 8th in his first season and 4th the next two seasons, only to be challenging for the title in his 4th season after he got his squad all settled and truly ready to roll. 

There are two routes to football glory and those are the Man City route and the project route and we seem to have taken to second one and frankly it takes time. Klopp is a more accomplished manager than Frank Lampard and it took him three years to hit the jackpot. 

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