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[Muzchap 8,966]

26 minutes ago, Mana said:

It is hard to support a manager who is making the same mistakes as the previous managers. A top coach by now, knows Morata/Willian/Alonso isn't working and handicapping our movement. But he continues using them. We have better (or great potential) players that can easily replace these three players now.

I was raising my eyebrow on Sarri when he continued to use Morata and Willian, and not putting any of our youths on the bench but because of the "unbeaten run", that was the small excuse I can give him in my head. I wanted to wait until January for him to do something, but he goes on to hint he doesn't need new players in January, telling us Morata/Willian/Alonso are good enough. So unless he changes his mind (which at the moment hasn't) I've lost trust.

The final nail in the coffin for me about Sarri confirming he was stubborn, after CHO had a brilliant night in the EL, said CHO isn't ready for the PL. F*** that. How CHO is going to gain PL experience if you don't even put him on the bench.

We were never lethal up front since the beginning of the year. But! Giroud and Hazard play together better, fact but Sarri continues to play Morata. I don't know what he sees in him, but he better snap out of it before we say goodbye to CL for next season. And his job on the line.

What's annoying is post-match conference yesterday he was puzzled to why we lost. OMG. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know why.

But haven't we said exactly this about the previous 4 managers? 

There's a problem with the core of this club - it makes managers do strange things - maybe it's the pressure of the Axe falling on them. 

I don't know - but either:

A) The players aren't good enough 

B ) The managers are caught up in some weird pressure cycle which promotes shit decisions...

 

 

[Special Juan 27,101]

Just now, Muzchap said:

But haven't we said exactly this about the previous 4 managers? 

There's a problem with the core of this club - it makes managers do strange things - maybe it's the pressure of the Axe falling on them. 

I don't know - but either:

A) The players aren't good enough 

B ) The managers are caught up in some weird pressure cycle which promotes shit decisions...

 

 

Both.

[bigbluewillie 1,805]

13 minutes ago, eemanyooel said:

It ain't glory hunting...I am all for passing through the thick and thin even at the expense of results.... But Insanity is doing same thing over and over again expecting different results.... Alonso Morata Willian and Luiz are not future of this club...I will even accept CHO play as a striker rather than using those awful players...I know we are gonna have results like last night but cmon can u tell me lines of the players I listed deserves to be in the starting line up

No mate as regards the players, I agree with you totally.

It's the loyalty you seem to be showing, when it comes to us playing shit, doubting wether you were going to watch them.

I know you are a true supporter, and you suffer from the disappointment that we all feel, it makes us feel like (i aint gonna watch this shit no more) but we're back again hopefully to see us put in a good performance and with Sarri showing some initiative in his team selection.

KTBFFH

[ccheongf 211]

Sarri ball is dead. Tottenham found a way to neutralized Jorhinno and Chelsea is wanerable now . Other teams follow and Chelsea will have a hard time winning

[Jase 43,479]

Points gained from last 10 Premier League games:

Chelsea - 16
Man United - 14

Only two points more... 🙃

[Vesper 27,310]

20 minutes ago, Jason said:

Points gained from last 10 Premier League games:

Chelsea - 16
Man United - 14

Only two points more... 🙃

16 from a possible 30 is not remotely good enough. That yields out 60 to 61 for a full 38 games. Over 40 points less than Shitty will average out probably per year over a 76 game window.  Over 80 points less cumulative. 

[Johnnyeye 7,414]

16 hours ago, MrExcalibur100 said:

Alonso, Morata, Willian. 3 of the biggest clowns at Chelsea.

and yet Sarri loves them, we are screwed.

[cosmicway 1,252]

Roman is selling the team for 3 bil.
It's already down to 800 mil.

[El P. 1,354]

3 hours ago, ccheongf said:

Sarri ball is dead. Tottenham found a way to neutralized Jorhinno and Chelsea is wanerable now . Other teams follow and Chelsea will have a hard time winning

It's easy to neutralise Jorginho when you don't need to care about Morata/Giroud, Willian, Alonso, Azpi or Kante (but IMO last two should stay in our team to provide def. stability). They just stuff our midfield and they are all set. If we had have better players elsewhere, marking Jorginho wouldn't be so easy!

[OneMoSalah 8,614]

14 hours ago, Thor said:

Good to see Luiz is somehow getting blamed. Few shots at the manager as well.

Yep. This is a Chelsea forum.

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Agree regarding the manager but let's no kid ourselves regarding Luiz. It's no coincidence that Luiz plays every week and our defence ends up being poorer than usual. Alonso's lack of mobility hurts us too. Luiz has had one good season in a heavily protected system and the rest of the best here has been as a CM under Rafa and Jose...

[Vybzkartel 284]

3 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Agree regarding the manager but let's no kid ourselves regarding Luiz. It's no coincidence that Luiz plays every week and our defence ends up being poorer than usual. Alonso's lack of mobility hurts us too. Luiz has had one good season in a heavily protected system and the rest of the best here has been as a CM under Rafa and Jose...

This is simply not true Luiz has had a few good seasons, he played well in Ancellotti's season, also played well in the Champ League season in 2012 it was more Terry exposed with our famous AVB high line and then in 2013 he was effective too plus Conte's one good season. He has lapses in concentration but its nowhere near Cahill or Christensen's mistakes over the time. 

[Vesper 27,310]

2 hours ago, Vybzkartel said:

This is simply not true Luiz has had a few good seasons, he played well in Ancellotti's season, also played well in the Champ League season in 2012 it was more Terry exposed with our famous AVB high line and then in 2013 he was effective too plus Conte's one good season. He has lapses in concentration but its nowhere near Cahill or Christensen's mistakes over the time. 

AC's mistakes PALE in comparison to the vast bulk of Luiz's career.

He is SHIT always was, is now, always will be. I HATE he is on our team, I went MENTAL when we bought him back. We won DESPITE him with Conte.

Luiz is, after Torres, my least favourite Chels player ever. Morata is quickly becoming my third. Willian is in the top 10 mix too, but he is a more recent add, just the last 2 seasons (now perm though).

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30 minutes ago, Vesper said:

AC's mistakes PALE in comparison to the vast bulk of Luiz's career.

He is SHIT always was, is now, always will be. I HATE he is on our team, I went MENTAL when we bought him back. We won DESPITE him with Conte.

Luiz is, after Torres, my least favourite Chels player ever. Morata is quickly becoming my third. Willian is in the top 10 mix too, but he is a more recent add, just the last 2 seasons (now perm though).

Good footballer and terrible center back (Jose was right in my book). Why should our opinion matter after winning the league where the player in question played a key role in that win (featured in almost all league games) and voted one of the best defenders in the league? This is not a popularity contest... it's about winning silverware.

[Vesper 27,310]

Just now, Robguima said:

Good footballer and terrible center back (Jose was right in my book). Why should our opinion matter after winning the league where the player in question played a key role in that win (featured in almost all league games) and voted one of the best defenders in the league? This is not a popularity contest... it's about winning silverware.

I would 1000 times rather have a 25, 27yo Ricardo Carvalho instead of Luiz. Carvalho would be a perfect Sarriball CB. WE need to find THAT type of player. I am biased, I admit, Ricardo is in my top 10 Chelsea all time favourite players. I adored him. Pure class, so elegant a CB. Good times.

There have been very few Chels players I have detested. I even liked Anelka and Florent Malouda, who are hated on this board from what I see. Luiz is deffo a detest, especially this second time around. I just do not like the bloke, and I cannot stand his mental lapses.

That said

he is only number 4 of the players who HAVE to go in my book.

Morata is ONE

Willian is TWO

Alonso is THREE

Luiz is FOUR

after those 4, I am open to trying anything

Drinkwater is FIVE (but really was just a 70m quid waste, it is not like he even plays. TBH, I think he isnt even that bad, he just is no where near Chels level and is the epitome of the Marina as boss bitch era FUCKED UP buys (along with Morata and Donkeyoko and Luiz, with my caveat that Michael Emenalo was a main actor in bringing Luiz back)

Luiz is not a bright player, I dont do stupid well

 

 

[robsblubot 3,217]

15 minutes ago, Vesper said:

I would 1000 times rather have a 25, 27yo Ricardo Carvalho instead of Luiz. Carvalho would be a perfect Sarriball CB. WE need to find THAT type of player. I am biased, I admit, Ricardo is in my top 10 Chelsea all time favourite players. I adored him. Pure class, so elegant a CB. Good times.

There have been very few Chels players I have detested. I even liked Anelka and Florent Malouda, who are hated on this board from what I see. Luiz is deffo a detest, especially this second time around. I just do not like the bloke, and I cannot stand his mental lapses.

That said

he is only number 4 of the players who HAVE to go in my book.

Morata is ONE

Willian is TWO

Alonso is THREE

Luiz is FOUR

after those 4, I am open to trying anything

Drinkwater is FIVE (but really was just a 70m quid waste, it is not like he even plays. TBH, I think he isnt even that bad, he just is no where near Chels level and is the epitome of the Marina as boss bitch era FUCKED UP buys (along with Morata and Donkeyoko and Luiz, with my caveat that Michael Emenalo was a main actor in bringing Luiz back)

Luiz is not a bright player, I dont do stupid well

 

 

Yeah preferences are preferences - just don't think they are that important since we all have our own and yet the only one that matters is the manager's.

While I agree that Carvalho was fantastic, I completely disagree that he would do well in Sarri's system. Sarri plays a high defense line and slow players like Carvalho struggle big time in high lines (like Terry once did under AVB). Godin is a great defender (similar to Carvalho) in a deep line at Atletico, but if you put him in a high line he would struggle too.

Plus it is quite obvious Sarri values passing from the back in CBs a lot more than other managers, hence why Luiz is his fav defender - he's been asking to keep him.

[Vesper 27,310]

18 minutes ago, Robguima said:

Yeah preferences are preferences - just don't think they are that important since we all have our own and yet the only one that matters is the manager's.

While I agree that Carvalho was fantastic, I completely disagree that he would do well in Sarri's system. Sarri plays a high defense line and slow players like Carvalho struggle big time in high lines (like Terry once did under AVB). Godin is a great defender (similar to Carvalho) in a deep line at Atletico, but if you put him in a high line he would struggle too.

Plus it is quite obvious Sarri values passing from the back in CBs a lot more than other managers, hence why Luiz is his fav defender - he's been asking to keep him.

Luiz, Alonso and Willian (plus Conte blowing out Costa and then the idiotic Morata buy) will be the anchors that drown Sarri. Plus his stubborness. They simply are SHIT. If we dont do massive upgrades (we wont) this January, we are not going to finish in top 4, Eden will leave (I think he does no matter what, and probably CHO too) the bans will hit, and the club is FUCKED for multiple years. That is truly what I see ahead. I hope I am wrong, but I doubt it.

We are one of the worst run top 15 clubs in the world. AC Milan would be my other pick.

[Muzchap 8,966]

As one of 5 Premier League clubs- I'm seeing the transfer ban (if it happens) as a potential catalyst for change.

We will HAVE to promote players from the youth ranks and that will save us considerable cash - which can be used to secure decent targets now.

One person is never bigger than the club- so if Hazard goes, Hazard goes - it will be a shame, but we will recover.

We do need a 3 year plan and a manager who can build a football identity. If you guys don't believe in Sarri, who are you wanting?

[Johnnyeye 7,414]

47 minutes ago, Muzchap said:

As one of 5 Premier League clubs- I'm seeing the transfer ban (if it happens) as a potential catalyst for change.

We will HAVE to promote players from the youth ranks and that will save us considerable cash - which can be used to secure decent targets now.

One person is never bigger than the club- so if Hazard goes, Hazard goes - it will be a shame, but we will recover.

We do need a 3 year plan and a manager who can build a football identity. If you guys don't believe in Sarri, who are you wanting?

1st of all good to see you again Muzchap, been quite a while since i saw you around here, i hope everything is ok. Regarding your post i agree, no player is bigger than the club, Hazard has been a very good servant for us for the past 6 years and helped us achieve a lot of success, we can't complain too much if Hazard decides to leave, there is only so much a player can do here with the supporting cast he has. If that transfer ban happens, its the shake up the club needs in order for us to create a proper football identity and get a lot of things in order, i do trust in Sarri's philosophy and he has to have players who can play to his strenghts, not the current lot he has at his disposal, but persisting with the same players who are out of form is suicide atm.