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Jason

5. Jorginho

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45 minutes ago, manpe said:

Absolutely adore that man. I had my doubts at first like many of us, like was he here only for Sarri, was he good enough etc.. But he has totally won me over with his attitude, the fact he never sulked or bashed anybody and how he's performing like a winner. Truly earning his vice-captaincy in just his second season.

Morata should take note from Jorginho

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3 hours ago, Tomo said:

He shouldn't have even got booed in the first place.

Exactly. He didnt even play poorly the majority of last season in my opinion, Sarriball maybe restricted him as well as inconsistencies from the team as a whole for a wee bit but Sarri was never fully accepted because of the disconnect with the fans and Jorginho was basically the one man everyone would associate with Sarri so he was a scapegoat. The last 3 or 4 months of last season he was just as good as anyone in that position in the PL imo and in the Europa League run, again he was very good.

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No we shouldnt have booed him, but sarii's style and the way he handcuffed the players didnt help the case either. Lamps have done him good, recognized his quality and the way he can game, to me a totally different player this season. If he had performed like now but in a pool shirt you can be sure the media would wax his lerics.

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19 minutes ago, Jason said:

Italy qualified for the Euros last month and Mancini played Jorginho against Bosnia tonight...the full 90 minutes! :rant:

Italian and French and Spanish national teams managers try to help their domestic leagues' teams in Europe  :rant:

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Italy qualified for the Euros last month and Mancini played Jorginho against Bosnia tonight...the full 90 minutes! :rant:
It should be a matter of when rather than if before club sides start putting their feet up. Call ups should only be obligatory where tournaments are concerned.
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28 minutes ago, milan.cech said:

Well, he did not play against Palace so it is good he keeps the game tempo before the City clash.

Yeah i never understand why people are so desperate to rest player's for extended periods. An odd midweek game in a heavy schedule fair enough but anything longer than a week leaves players short of match sharpness (for example look at the pace of the game in the CL final last season, was like pre season).

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9 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Yeah i never understand why people are so desperate to rest player's for extended periods. An odd midweek game in a heavy schedule fair enough but anything longer than a week leaves players short of match sharpness (for example look at the pace of the game in the CL final last season, was like pre season).

It's more about trying to make sure the player don't burn out in the long run. Jorginho has already played A LOT of games for club and country this season. While you're not wrong about that UCL example, that was 2 entire teams though having 2-3 weeks off though and it's obvious it would affect the performance level. This is just one player. Sort of an example would be Pulisic, who played only 1 game out of 5 in September but got into the XI after that and got into the rhythm straight away. 

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Need to remember how much running Jorginho does as well in his role. 

A muscular injury is bound to happen if he isn't given rest. 

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25 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Need to remember how much running Jorginho does as well in his role. 

A muscular injury is bound to happen if he isn't given rest. 

I see the concerns but he just missed a game for us through a suspension.... Its upto Frank to manage him throughout the season accordingly because he will play more for club than country.

The regards to Italy calling him up, if Italy want to play him despite being qualified they can and he is fully fit so dont see an issue where I know there was regarding Ngolo due to his fitness at that moment in time. But again, Jorginho didnt play the last game for us before the international break so he would of had time to rest and while over the course of a season one game isnt exactly enough, he has missed other cup games as well. I think its perhaps just overthinking and expecting the worst.

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1 hour ago, OneMoSalah said:

I see the concerns but he just missed a game for us through a suspension.... Its upto Frank to manage him throughout the season accordingly because he will play more for club than country.

The regards to Italy calling him up, if Italy want to play him despite being qualified they can and he is fully fit so dont see an issue where I know there was regarding Ngolo due to his fitness at that moment in time. But again, Jorginho didnt play the last game for us before the international break so he would of had time to rest and while over the course of a season one game isnt exactly enough, he has missed other cup games as well. I think its perhaps just overthinking and expecting the worst.

Jorginho has sat out of only one cup game - against Grimsby. Was forced to play against United because there were no other options. In total, I believe Jorginho has played 21 games out of 24 for club and country this season. Pretty sure that's more than anyone else in our squad and we won't have the smaller cup games to rest him until the FA Cup starts in January either. It's hardly overthinking when people are concerned over a player's well-being, especially when that someone has played a lot in 4 months. 

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Or would you prefer me to call it "pub games"? 
Got to chuckle everytime I see this or the "loan" line.
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22 hours ago, Jason said:

Jorginho has sat out of only one cup game - against Grimsby. Was forced to play against United because there were no other options. In total, I believe Jorginho has played 21 games out of 24 for club and country this season. Pretty sure that's more than anyone else in our squad and we won't have the smaller cup games to rest him until the FA Cup starts in January either. It's hardly overthinking when people are concerned over a player's well-being, especially when that someone has played a lot in 4 months. 

Perhaps but again, what do you want Frank or Mancini to do? He is undoubtedly a key figure for club and country. He has played a lot but I doubt it is really going to benefit him if he plays 5 or 6 games in a row and is then rested for 2 weeks or whatever. He is in good form, has got good match rhythm so interrupting that, which it will happen eventually with the festive fixtures/cup games, may also affect his performances.

The recovery time between games has been kind so far, obviously the fixtures are more crammed this time of year but I dont think he is any danger of being burnt out when we are only not even halfway into the season. If he was struggling with injuries or looking sluggish in his performances, then yes I'd see the point more but throughout his career at Napoli and here he has been pretty good for avoiding injuries and while that isnt always a guarantee, he played for how many years under Sarri who is notoriously known for a lack of rotation... and he was arguably one of the most key components of his side there and here.

Obviously the team will change for the games coming up and he will be part of that in some capacity but I still think its being a bit over the top its not as if hes breaking down. I really dont think Frank and Jody would have played him so much if they were as concerned about his fitness/potentially picking up an injury due to being overplayed.

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1 minute ago, OneMoSalah said:

Perhaps but again, what do you want Frank or Mancini to do? He is undoubtedly a key figure for club and country. He has played a lot but I doubt it is really going to benefit him if he plays 5 or 6 games in a row and is then rested for 2 weeks or whatever.

Italy have already qualified for the Euros. So, it doesn't make sense for Mancini to play him (for the full 90 mins) in dead rubber matches when you consider his workload so far this season. It won't benefit anyone if he picks up an injury due to fatigue.

2 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

He is in good form, has got good match rhythm so interrupting that, which it will happen eventually with the festive fixtures/cup games, may also affect his performances.

Sitting out of 1-2 games is hardly gonna disrupt anything. It's not 1 or 2 whole months. 

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13 minutes ago, Jason said:

Italy have already qualified for the Euros. So, it doesn't make sense for Mancini to play him (for the full 90 mins) in dead rubber matches when you consider his workload so far this season. It won't benefit anyone if he picks up an injury due to fatigue.

Sitting out of 1-2 games is hardly gonna disrupt anything. It's not 1 or 2 whole months. 

spot the fuck on!

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