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Special Juan

Sarri But Not Sarri Thread

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Just now, Fernando said:

This says it all. As I said before you be obtuse to expect much this season, and your expectation are too high. 

When Spuds don't turn up, you expect to take advantage of that. 

But the way we lost is frustrating. 

Also here's the thing. You are saying my expectations are too high. We are Chelsea Football Club, not Everton or West Ham. We shouldn't accept that defeat. Especially to bloody Spuds. I don't want this is be routine, Spuds beating us. Luckily it's only the first leg and we can still turn it around. I don't expect us to beat Man City in the final and I didn't expect us to win against high-flying Spuds yesterday, but Spuds weren't high-flying and they rarely tested Kepa. So I expected at least a result from that game. We lost it.

My expectation is too high to at least get a draw against Spuds? Nah man, disagree.

 

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1 minute ago, Mana said:

When Spuds don't turn up, you expect to take advantage of that. 

But the way we lost is frustrating. 

Also here's the thing. You are saying my expectations are too high. We are Chelsea Football Club, not Everton or West Ham. We shouldn't accept that defeat. Especially to bloody Spuds. I don't want this is be routine, Spuds beating us. Luckily it's only the first leg and we can still turn it around. I don't expect us to beat Man City in the final and I didn't expect us to win against high-flying Spuds yesterday, but Spuds weren't high-flying and they rarely tested Kepa. So I expected at least a result from that game. We lost it.

My expectation is too high to at least get a draw against Spuds? Nah man, disagree.

 

Yes too high.

And we are Chelsea football club? what does that mean? accept what? Are you basing this on the last 10 years?  

Well let me tell you that the last few years we have been buying average players, we are no longer the Chelsea from 10 years ago where we will have the best. Now we are approaching more like an Arsenal type of club. And that is what the board and owner have put us at.

So lower your expectations. 

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4 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Yes too high.

And we are Chelsea football club? what does that mean? accept what? Are you basing this on the last 10 years?  

...even back in the day before Roman came in with all his money, we were still beating Spuds.

4 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Well let me tell you that the last few years we have been buying average players, we are no longer the Chelsea from 10 years ago where we will have the best. Now we are approaching more like an Arsenal type of club. And that is what the board and owner have put us at.

So lower your expectations. 

...and we should accept that? We should have this defeatist attitude now?

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13 minutes ago, Mana said:

...even back in the day before Roman came in with all his money, we were still beating Spuds.

...and we should accept that? We should have this defeatist attitude now?

Never said be a defeatist, but you came throwing at me, We are Chelsea football club. What does that mean? Does that mean we have a high expectation because of the top players we have? 

If you say that and we have the best of the best, then yes I would say we have no excuse. 

But when you say that and we have crap players, then obviously the standard you have has changed. Because the club don't see us as that standard your holding. If they did they will not settle for less. 

The way the club is being run, shows that we don't hold that same prestige as before. And because of this, your expectation are the same of 10 years ago. And that is being obtuse. 

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1 hour ago, Mana said:

Yesterday this attacking line up:

CHO            Hazard

     Pedro/Giroud

...would have been much better. Every person knows, bar Sarri playing Hazard as a false nine rarely works. Yesterday's formation was all about fitting in Willian. If CHO didn't make noise, CHO would have been benched (or not in the squad at all).

I think yesterdays attacking line up was more about lack of fitness then shoehorning Willian in to be honest.  I don't think Giroud was capable of playing many minutes and Pedro was coming back from injury as well.  For that matter, so was Willian.  As for CHO, we'll never know because of all the noise but I expect he would have been starting to get more minutes now regardless, just like RLC earlier in the season.  That's all hypothetical of course since there has been all this noise.  

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19 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Never said be a defeatist, but you came throwing at me, We are Chelsea football club. What does that mean? Does that mean we have a high expectation because of the top players we have? 

If you say that and we have the best of the best, then yes I would say we have no excuse. 

But when you say that and we have crap players, then obviously the standard you have has changed. Because the club don't see us as that standard your holding. If they did they will not settle for less. 

The way the club is being run, shows that we don't hold that same prestige as before. And because of this, your expectation are the same of 10 years ago. And that is being obtuse. 

I'm not saying we should be winning the league or grabbing trophies with these players. Obviously Chelsea should be competing for the title, but all of us understand that we don't have the players to compete. My expectations have definitely dropped especially for this season, I've been saying from the beginning we will probably finish 5th as long Morata is our main CF.

When I said we are Chelsea FC, I was really referring to yesterday's performance and the expectation of challenging Spuds. Are we that bad, that we couldn't challenge Spuds, even when they are awful? Personally, I don't think so. We should have at least gotten a draw yesterday. That squad was good enough to get that. But it was down to tactics and the players selected.

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4 minutes ago, Mana said:

I'm not saying we should be winning the league or grabbing trophies with these players. Obviously Chelsea should be competing for the title, but all of us understand that we don't have the players to compete. My expectations have definitely dropped especially for this season, I've been saying from the beginning we will probably finish 5th as long Morata is our main CF.

When I said we are Chelsea FC, I was really referring to yesterday's performance and the expectation of challenging Spuds. Are we that bad, that we couldn't challenge Spuds, even when they are awful? Personally, I don't think so. We should have at least gotten a draw yesterday. That squad was good enough to get that. But it was down to tactics and the players selected.

So you think we will draw and win with a striker right? 

Placing your confidence on who? Morata? Giroud? 

I think the fact we are playing false 9 is because of the strikers the club have bought for us. Because playing with those guys is like playing with one less. 

Okay I take it back, Giroud I always saw as a super sub, the fact that we have to depend on him as a starter shows how poorly the club have left us. 

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Just now, Fernando said:

So you think we will draw and win with a striker right? 

Placing your confidence on who? Morata? Giroud? 

.... *sigh* checkmate. :( But still...maybe Pedro?

Just now, Fernando said:

I think the fact we are playing false 9 is because of the strikers the club have bought for us. Because playing with those guys is like playing with one less. 

Okay I take it back, Giroud I always saw as a super sub, the fact that we have to depend on him shows how poorly the club have left us. 

Hazard as false 9 is almost like playing with 10 men as well. But this CF position is giving me a headache.

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1 minute ago, Mana said:

But this CF position is giving me a headache.

 

I think we can all agree on this.

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1 hour ago, Mana said:

Winning mentality? I rarely got to see that last season, with all those spineless performances. 

Even then we still won the cup. When you can win trophies even in season's when you are average to rubbish (especially repeatedly like we have) that makes the case for the winning mentality stronger.

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9 minutes ago, Mana said:

.... *sigh* checkmate. :( But still...maybe Pedro?

Hazard as false 9 is almost like playing with 10 men as well. But this CF position is giving me a headache.

In fact let's think about this. We hear that Sarri is rigid with his formation. 

He loves the 4-3-3. And he knows that a 4-3-3 requires a striker, not a false 9. 

The fact he does that, show he is not that rigid.....but then again the fact he plays Hazard there shows we have a major problem. 

I'm at pain as you are with this whole situation. But I can't blame the man, I know what he is trying to do but he has to do with what he has. 

I just ask to give him next season. If next season we are still playing the same dull boring futbol, then call for his head. 

P.S. On the other side I do dislike the way he has handle the cho situation. I have been saying this for years, since god knows who that all the manager we get are not good with youth. We keep getting manager that are not good for this and expect them to do it. The club is stupid for this, if you want youth, then get managers that will do this! 

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We are hanging by a thread

at multiple levels

this CHO assfuck has super damaged my faith

If we don't do MASSIVE business this month

I am 100% calling for the club to be sold

I have bad feeling that Barella deal is going to bust up because he will not want to come here due to chaos and uncertainty

I am also terrified we actually will BUY Higuain and think striker is sorted

I think Sarri may well keep rolling out Alonso and Willian until he is stopped via the sacking

If we do no more business (or just Higs)

and sell Cho

and Sarri refuses to stop playing Alonso and Willian so much

he needs to go

he just cost us CHO

that shit is all on him

he handled it TERRIBLY

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If I recall CHO had a contract offer before Sarri showed up and still hasn't signed it.  I wouldn't put the blame on him, at least not all of it.  I think the CHO situation is strongly linked to what has happened with our past youth players well before Sarri got on the scene.  He isn't blameless, just wouldn't be the major target of my ire.  That would be higher up the food chain.  We are reaping what we've sown with our past lack of youth integration.

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13 minutes ago, Vesper said:

hink Sarri may well keep rolling out Alonso and Willian until he is stopped via the sacking

Before he started playing false 9 Willian only started if there was something wrong with Hazard or Pedro.

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Look at all these players with real doubts/transfer calls Pulisic in...The summer

No.        Position    Player
1    Spain    GK    Kepa Arrizabalaga fresh

31    England    GK    Robert Green ? Leave Summer/Age/contract

13   Argentina   GK   Willy Caballero ? Leave Summer/Age/contract
2    Germany    DF    Antonio Rüdiger seems happy
3    Spain    DF    Marcos Alonso ? Leave Summer/hopefully

21    Italy    DF    Davide Zappacosta ? Leave Summer or Now

24    England    DF    Gary Cahill (captain) ? Leave Summer or Now/Age/contract
27    Denmark    DF    Andreas Christensen hopefully not
28    Spain    DF    César Azpilicueta surely not

30    Brazil    DF    David Luiz ? Leave Summer/Age/contract 

33    Italy    DF    Emerson ? maybe if pissed

44    Wales    DF    Ethan Ampadu future

5    Italy    MF    Jorginho only if daddy sarri leaves
6    England    MF    Danny Drinkwater ? Leave Summer or Now lol
7    France    MF    N'Golo Kanté not allowed
8    England    MF    Ross Barkley probly not hg needed

17   Croatia   MF   Mateo Kovačić (on loan from Real Madrid)

12    England    MF    Ruben Loftus-Cheek future
10    Belgium    FW    Eden Hazard ? Leave Summer/REal Saga

11    Spain    FW    Pedro ? Leave Summer/Age/contract

15    Nigeria    FW    Victor Moses ? Leave Summer or Now/no games

18    France    FW    Olivier Giroud ? Leave Summer/Age/contract
20    England    FW    Callum Hudson-Odoi ? Leave Summer or Now/january mare

22    Brazil    FW    Willian ? Leave Summer or Now/Age/contract

29    Spain    FW    Álvaro Morata ? Leave Summer or Now/not happy

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Sarri and this squad is a fucking disaster. Every man has his favourites but our man has the wrong favourites, terrible players with no football talent. Additionally, the football we have been watching is beyond awful.

If the board is not willing to support him and provide him with quality players, I hope he will get sacked. I really do. Because Sarri and this squad, that is just shocking.

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2 minutes ago, milan.cech said:

Sarri and this squad is a fucking disaster. Every man has his favourites but our man has the wrong favourites, terrible players with no football talent. Additionally, the football we have been watching is beyond awful.

If the board is not willing to support him and provide him with quality players, I hope he will get sacked. I really do. Because Sarri and this squad, that is just shocking.

How do you support someone saying its impossible to lose Willian...ffs willian and keep playing Alonso ahead of Emerson...

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Don't know what Sarri ball was meant to be but if it's what we're seeing... Lets not do it anymore. Soon as we score we collapse! Just pass pass pass down the other end it goes. 

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He's living off that win vs Manchester City right now. Surely nobody is happy with the brand of football we are playing.

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