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Special Juan

Sarri But Not Sarri Thread

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36 minutes ago, communicate said:

Kante cannot play as dm, in this system. I think people forget what happen last year when we play 352 with kante as holder. 

The problem with sarri is very simple. He does not trust Kovacic, rlc, Barkley defensively hence he always try to play kante. 

Kovacic is miles better defensively than Barkley and RLC. He needs to be given a shot at playing the B to B hybrid role that wee baldy is struggling at now. Kante has not been remotely close in his defensive play to last year, let alone his offensive failings. He is really out of sync overall. Sarri needs to sort him by seasons end or I am all in for cashing in, unless we are going to sack Sarri, then it is madness to sell Kante, as almost every other manager would just put him back at pure DMF destroyer role.

We are betwixt and between at so many points and levels. We deffo are the most complicated club in world football atm, no one else that matters is even remotely close.

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Amazing the hate people get for wanting our club to be the best in the world get from certain sections. They act like is is sacrilege to want upgrades for weaknesses. It is downright Liverpudlian. And NO it is not, NOT Football mangeresque to discuss players. NOT my fault we bought gilt-edge turds like Baka and Drinkwater.

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21 hours ago, Vesper said:

Kovacic is miles better defensively than Barkley and RLC. He needs to be given a shot at playing the B to B hybrid role that wee baldy is struggling at now. Kante has not been remotely close in his defensive play to last year, let alone his offensive failings. He is really out of sync overall. Sarri needs to sort him by seasons end or I am all in for cashing in, unless we are going to sack Sarri, then it is madness to sell Kante, as almost every other manager would just put him back at pure DMF destroyer role.

We are betwixt and between at so many points and levels. We deffo are the most complicated club in world football atm, no one else that matters is even remotely close.

Sarri himself admit that organization wise our team is not good enough especially in defensive phase.

Hence, imo it is a dangerous game to play 3 defensively weak player unless we are playing against a very weak team. Kovacic defensively is decent but I don't think he trust him enough to cover the other two midfielder. 

I personally want kante to flourish, because if he can improve technically he will provide a very good balance with the other two midfielder. 

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21 hours ago, Vesper said:

Kovacic is miles better defensively than Barkley and RLC. He needs to be given a shot at playing the B to B hybrid role that wee baldy is struggling at now. Kante has not been remotely close in his defensive play to last year, let alone his offensive failings. He is really out of sync overall. Sarri needs to sort him by seasons end or I am all in for cashing in, unless we are going to sack Sarri, then it is madness to sell Kante, as almost every other manager would just put him back at pure DMF destroyer role.

We are betwixt and between at so many points and levels. We deffo are the most complicated club in world football atm, no one else that matters is even remotely close.

Any manager who plays Kante as a destroyer should be sacked. 

 

Kante is a B2B midfielder. At Leicester he played as a B2B beside Drinkwater the DMF, when he came here Kante played the same role, with Matic as the DMF. The thing that makes Kante great is his engine, hence why he excels as a B2B. If you think that Kante is playing poorly, you are showing your ignorance of football. 

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1 hour ago, kiwi1691 said:

Any manager who plays Kante as a destroyer should be sacked. 

 

Kante is a B2B midfielder. At Leicester he played as a B2B beside Drinkwater the DMF, when he came here Kante played the same role, with Matic as the DMF. The thing that makes Kante great is his engine, hence why he excels as a B2B. If you think that Kante is playing poorly, you are showing your ignorance of football. 

Totally a matter of opinion, but for once I will fall back to majority rules (including many many professional pundits, ex players, managers, and journos, many extremely more knowledgeable than me)

who say he is not adapting all that well to his new role

so no, I am not ignorant of football

I find it problematic,in the very least, that to even talk about trying out a MF without Kante for even one game is taken as heresy here by some

I don't do blind idol worship, sorry

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Off topic, but just going to share my current thoughts:

Kante has been a good player to hold our side together while we have been severely lacking in other areas. If he wants to move on and we're going to use the money to sign more attackers and fullbacks, CBs, etc., etc., then so be it. 

What has been bizarre to me personally, as an American who doesn't have 4 decades of watching European football in my past, is how there haven't been more Didier Drogbas at the top level of European football. There are players I like (Hazard, Kante and others), but I would like Chelsea to find an indomitable CF again someday.

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58 minutes ago, quickpassnmove said:

Kante has been a good player to hold our side together while we have been severely lacking in other areas. If he wants to move on and we're going to use the money to sign more attackers and fullbacks, CBs, etc., etc., then so be it. 

Kante is still a vital part of the team. If Chelsea were to sell him, we would be in deep trouble. 

 

 

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On 11/4/2018 at 11:34 PM, Sideshow Luiz said:

And Conte WON 13 in a row.

Conte lost against Arsenal 3-0 before that, so doesn't count.

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2 hours ago, Mana said:

Conte lost against Arsenal 3-0 before that, so doesn't count.

Yeah, I had your post and another kind of mixed up.

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1 hour ago, !Hazard! said:

Chelsea is now the only undefeated team in Europe this season. What a way to start you time in England, Maurizio

What about the Community Shield?

Does this not count?

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2 hours ago, !Hazard! said:

Chelsea is now the only undefeated team in Europe this season. What a way to start you time in England, Maurizio

Yeah was gonna say. As Vesper mentioned the Community Shield was a competitive game. We are unbeaten in the PL and European games. 

 

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On 11/8/2018 at 1:23 AM, Vesper said:

What about the Community Shield?

Does this not count?

Community Shield is a glorified friendly. It's a preseason trophy, just like the Champions Cup (or whatever the name it's called). The real season starts when the PL starts, not the CS. So yes, Chelsea is the only undefeated team in Europe this season.

However, this quote was taken from a different thread, but I would like to discuss it here...

9 hours ago, Tomo said:

If anyone was to reread the posts on here, its like a mini crisis every 10 minutes. This player is terrible, that player is terrible, Sarri's a cunt for not playing CHO, I dont get it, we havent lost a game in any competition, we have a striker on form, midfielders all playing well. Why is there so much doom and gloom on here when we have absolutely everything to be happy about?

Until we win the league, or massively improve our squad in January, there's always going to be doom and gloom this season.

Why? We won yesterday but I'm still pissed off. No, not because we played crap and we were VERY lucky to get the win yesterday. 

It's because of:

On 11/7/2018 at 11:40 PM, !Hazard! said:

Chelsea is now the only undefeated team in Europe this season. 

...with this shite squad. We are 2nd in the league as well. But, we all know deep down, it's only a matter of time before we fall flat on our faces. Because we are not good enough. There's a reason why pundits are not calling us title contenders. Sarri is doing amazing wonders with this shite squad, way more than I predicted.

What would have happened, if we had a decent CF. A CB that is not as naive as Luiz. Better replacement for Willian and Alonso. We would be clearly challenging for the title. Our squad won't be as expansive as City, but 11v11 we could match them. The board fecked us up big time in the summer. The potential is there, but we are so limited right now.

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1 hour ago, Mana said:

Community Shield is a glorified friendly. It's a preseason trophy, just like the Champions Cup (or whatever the name it's called). The real season starts when the PL starts, not the CS. So yes, Chelsea is the only undefeated team in Europe this season.

However, this quote was taken from a different thread, but I would like to discuss it here...

Until we win the league, or massively improve our squad in January, there's always going to be doom and gloom this season.

Why? We won yesterday but I'm still pissed off. No, not because we played crap and we were VERY lucky to get the win yesterday. 

It's because of:

...with this shite squad. We are 2nd in the league as well. But, we all know deep down, it's only a matter of time before we fall flat on our faces. Because we are not good enough. There's a reason why pundits are not calling us title contenders. Sarri is doing amazing wonders with this shite squad, way more than I predicted.

What would have happened, if we had a decent CF. A CB that is not as naive as Luiz. Better replacement for Willian and Alonso. We would be clearly challenging for the title. Our squad won't be as expansive as City, but 11v11 we could match them. The board fecked us up big time in the summer. The potential is there, but we are so limited right now.

I Think we are stuck this squad for the most part until amd if Eden leaves. I think Sarri and the board massively rate Luiz and Willian. Unless Pedro is bang on healthy amd if Sarri trusts Ampadu, I dont see other viable options. Alwthough I REALLY want CHO to get more playing time, he isn't a RW, so he isn't going to get any meaningful time in big games. If Hazard is injured its Willian at LW and Pedro or RLC at RW (with the 3 switching it up side to side. Cahill and (I hate to say it) AC have looked horrid at CB, so its Rudiger and Luiz or die, unless Amps slips in a wee bit. I am also resigned that Kante and of course Jorginho will always be 2 of our 3 MFers in all important games, with Kovacic fighting with Barkley and RLC (lesser for him) for the 3rd spot. Fullbacks will always be Alonso and Azpi, and CF will be Morata, backed up or rotated with Giroud.

Sink or swim that is the team. I have absolutely zero expectations we do much in January. Especially at CF, as the options that are viable (true proven upgrade) will all be over £100m, unless we somehow buy Cavani as a stopgap (if price is right I am all in).

I think the club is in financial lockdown for the most part until the Roman nightmare is sorted one way or another.

At least we are undefeated. Lets hope it continues and doesn't implode. Sarri has indeed worked miracles, but any decent manager with say 5, 6 great players can surely slice deep into our weak points eventually. Winning EL is going to be a really hard slog, as some great teams will surely drop down from CL.

I am just going to concentrate on one game at a time. Eden and CHO situs are ticking time bombs though, and need to be sorted ASAP. I have bad feeling we are going to get a right proper bollocksing by both. Let's hope not!

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On 11/9/2018 at 4:50 PM, Tomo said:

You should be the most happy of us all because you had us down to finish closer to mid table than where we are now.

There's still time you know. I recall last season we were around the top, only to fall? We can finish the season unbeaten, but still finish 6th. I'm hope to be proven wrong though.

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Shite? really? Flawed i'll give but shite?

If we are going to go with flawed, then it's seriously flawed. We don't have the players to cope with this system.

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For the same reason they didn't in 16/17 until it got to the point they would look too stupid if they carried on denying so, back that season they were panning the Pep/Jose title race narrative all summer so held on for as long as possible before begrudgingly admitting how spectacularly wrong they got it, while this summer it was all about how Liverpool's window is going to elevate them into a title race, give City a serious examination while both leave the rest trailing in their wake.

Lol. Don't compare 16/17 to this. There is a huge difference between that squad and this squad as explained many times before. You cannot compare the quality of Diego Costa to the cowardless Morata. The lack of goalscoring threat is the difference between winning the PL, and finishing out of the top 4.

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They will be even more determined to hold out on calling us title challengers for as long as they can this time because that will mean admitting they have made the same mistake twice (writing us off after a poor season).

I think today is the reason why they will continue to hold out us being title challengers.

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Since no one is going to say it I will. His football of late is bordering on some of the worst football under Conte. Pathetic game management from him of late. 

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11 minutes ago, Mana said:

There's still time you know. I recall last season we were around the top, only to fall? We can finish the season unbeaten, but still finish 6th. I'm hope to be proven wrong though.

If we are going to go with flawed, then it's seriously flawed. We don't have the players to cope with this system.

Lol. Don't compare 16/17 to this. There is a huge difference between that squad and this squad as explained many times before. You cannot compare the quality of Diego Costa to the cowardless Morata. The lack of goalscoring threat is the difference between winning the PL, and finishing out of the top 4.

I think today is the reason why they will continue to hold out us being title challengers.

And i bet at the start of that season you gave every reason under the sun as to why we couldn't challenge either.  And while we may have been better off up front back then, we are light years better than that team (personel wise) currently in both defence and especially midfield. 

I don't actually think we will win the league, but this squad isn't as bad as you/Conte make out.

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23 minutes ago, Tomo said:

And i bet at the start of that season you gave every reason under the sun as to why we couldn't challenge either.  And while we may have been better off up front back then, we are light years better than that team (personel wise) currently in both defence and especially midfield. 

Problem with that is, and what you missed out, even though Conte's title winning squad was aging, most of those players fit in Conte's system. They were just about good enough for Conte's system to work.

That can't be said for Sarri's. We may have better players now (well, most), but they are not either good enough to play the system, too slow/limited, or playing in a different position that they are not used to. Morata, Willian, Alonso, Luiz, Giroud, Fabregas...even sadly Kante and Azpi are not doing well at the moment. We are relying more on Hazard now then the 16/17 season.

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I don't actually think we will win the league, but this squad isn't as bad as you/Conte make out.

Then why are you making it out to be we are title contenders? We are thankfully 3rd, but we are miles from being title contenders.

The squad is kinda bad. Have you already forgotten our game last Thursday? (Yes we won, but thanks to luck) Today as well, wasn't good enough.

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16 minutes ago, Mana said:

Problem with that is, and what you missed out, even though Conte's title winning squad was aging, most of those players fit in Conte's system. They were just about good enough for Conte's system to work.

That can't be said for Sarri's. We may have better players now (well, most), but they are not either good enough to play the system, too slow/limited, or playing in a different position that they are not used to. Morata, Willian, Alonso, Luiz, Giroud, Fabregas...even sadly Kante and Azpi are not doing well at the moment. We are relying more on Hazard now then the 16/17 season.

It's easy to say in hindsight that they fitted Conte's system, i bet if i told you after the 3-0 loss at Arsenal we would win the title with Moses as a wing back, Alonso, Cahill, Pedro playing key roles and even Matic resembling something of a footballer again you would have laughed. Out of all those players you listed (as not good enough) only 1 is a bonafide starter.

18 minutes ago, Mana said:

hen why are you making it out to be we are title contenders? We are thankfully 3rd, but we are miles from being title contenders.

The squad is kinda bad. Have you already forgotten our game last Thursday? (Yes we won, but thanks to luck) Today as well, wasn't good enough.

Im not making out per se, just saying we have been here before. And why are you cherry picking the rubbish games to peddle your side? I could counter that by saying remember Cardiff, Burnley and Bate (home)?

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