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Special Juan

Sarri But Not Sarri Thread

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A difference in this match was that big that I’ve thought at some point that it’s a match between Man City and bunch of farmers. 

 I’ll be hugely surprised if Chelsea somehow ends up playing in the Champions League in the next couple of years and this match from today has nothing to do with my opinion but everything with so many wrong players (some experienced one) with no place in this system who’s gonna play no matter what. When you add to this an owner who doesn’t give a flying fuck, well it’s a good night.

 

 

 

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I just hope Sarri sticks by his attacking football and not eventually cave in to doing defensive football because the players couldn’t cope.

Hold on to your seatbelts lads, because this is going to be a painful ride.

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1 minute ago, Mana said:

I just hope Sarri sticks by his attacking football and not eventually cave in to doing defensive football because the players couldn’t cope.

Hold on to your seatbelts lads, because this is going to be a painful ride.

He will have to adapt, like every other manager has had to.

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3 minutes ago, Mana said:

I just hope Sarri sticks by his attacking football and not eventually cave in to doing defensive football because the players couldn’t cope.

Hold on to your seatbelts lads, because this is going to be a painful ride.

We already know this team can't adapt to Sarri's tactics. Well, not all of them. So I guess the question is, are the board willing to back Sarri and give him the players that he wants? Highly doubt it. So, if Sarri continues with what he does and doesn't get the results, then this is only gonna end one way and the whole shit cycle will start again.

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9 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Today has clearly showed the bar which Chelsea must work towards reaching. At this moment we are pretty far away but the overreaction today on this forum is incredible.

Sarri has been at the club for less than 3 weeks in a summer where not even all of our players are back for pre season yet. To add to this we've travelled to Australia in this timeframe and also played games in France and Ireland. 

The change we are making is massive. It's not just "hey, we're going to play a more expansive, attacking style which all the players are going to enjoy and everything will be good!". Not only does Sarri want the team to play in a certain way with our passing and movement, but we are also being coached to press all over the pitch, in particular the final third which we haven't been doing previously under Conte and obviously the shift to a back 4 with a high line in comparison to a back 3/5 with a deep line. 

You could see today a player as tactically solid and dependable as Azpilicueta was even struggling tucking in way too much and leaving a lot of room out wide. These changes won't be learnt in a couple of weeks. Remember that Conte didn't implement his 3-4-3 until the end of September. He largely kept Mourinho's tactics which the team were used to and drilled towards playing until this point to give the best chance of getting some early results, but even that left us struggling. This is a work in progress and a lot of patience will be required.

I understand some of the reservations regarding our squad and there are some players who clearly don't cut it, but this is still a good group of players, a large group of which have won 2 of the last 4 premier leagues. People say that Chelsea don't have the players that can play the way Napoli did but we're comparing to his finished article after 3 years work with them. Look at some of those Napoli players the year that Sarri took over and they would have been saying similar things. Jorginho was a backup player that Sarri ended up moulding the team around. Mertens and Insigne were nothing more than squad players too. The Napoli fans thought Koulibaly was useless and looked terrible trying to play the ball out from the back. They have all been coached and trusted in time to perform how they did for Napoli.

The biggest issue is clearly up front for us. Morata hasn't played well at all and doesn't appear to be the answer, but Sarri hasn't had Bats or Giroud yet so has had no alternative. Let's also note that at Napoli, having lost Higuain he converted Mertens who was nothing more than a squad player winger previously. If there is a coach that is creative and willing to coach what he has to make it work then we have that man.

We are not likely, or expected, to be challenging Man City for the title this season. But I do think we've got a good chance of making the top 4 this season. But it will take some time and patience for this to get to where we all want it to reach.

This post should be pinned in this thread at least until christmas, spot on.

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The Community Shield, specially when there's an international competition taking place, has to be one of the most irrelevant football games in the world of this sport. 

We missed most of our main players (the main goalkeeper - no matter if it's gonna be Courtois or another, one central defender - Christensen, our best central midfielder - Kante, our best player - Hazard and our best striker - Giroud).  

There were some signs of the maybe overly discussed change of style, but it's clearly going to take a lot of time before we look as a compact and strong team, capable of playing fast spectacular football.

People need to be patient. The worst thing that can happen is us missing out on the UCL spots once again, but it's not like we are so not used to it that we wouldn't accept a season of sacrifice. 

Sarri clearly needs time, even Guardiola needed it. But he also needs the board to back him on the market, just like Guardiola needed that too. We are unacceptably quiet there and will probably panic buy during the last few days of the window. 

I just hope we sign a decent keeper and we keep Kante and Hazard. Martial would be fantastic, as Pedro can only be a decent sub. Another CM would help, in order to have Fabregas warming the bench as he should. 

So, from where I'm standing, there's a lot of work to be done and we need to be very very patient and tolerant when it comes to the manager's work. 

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4 hours ago, Cosmin said:

The Community Shield, specially when there's an international competition taking place, has to be one of the most irrelevant football games in the world of this sport. 

We missed most of our main players (the main goalkeeper - no matter if it's gonna be Courtois or another, one central defender - Christensen, our best central midfielder - Kante, our best player - Hazard and our best striker - Giroud).  

There were some signs of the maybe overly discussed change of style, but it's clearly going to take a lot of time before we look as a compact and strong team, capable of playing fast spectacular football.

People need to be patient. The worst thing that can happen is us missing out on the UCL spots once again, but it's not like we are so not used to it that we wouldn't accept a season of sacrifice. 

Sarri clearly needs time, even Guardiola needed it. But he also needs the board to back him on the market, just like Guardiola needed that too. We are unacceptably quiet there and will probably panic buy during the last few days of the window. 

I just hope we sign a decent keeper and we keep Kante and Hazard. Martial would be fantastic, as Pedro can only be a decent sub. Another CM would help, in order to have Fabregas warming the bench as he should. 

So, from where I'm standing, there's a lot of work to be done and we need to be very very patient and tolerant when it comes to the manager's work. 

Its incredible really how we're not active in the market. I really thought we would have taken the initiative to get Higuain, a player who worked with Sarri, understands his system, and scored 36 league goals under him, even if it was a one year loan. But we moved sluggishly and now we can see that Morata is still the same old striker as majority of last season (falling on the ground from breeze, missing easy chances with his feet).
 
The loss of Costa was enough to make us score just 56 goals and ultimately out of top four. We still havent done anything to address the lack of goals from the team, we think Hazard will suddenly score 30 goals to compensate...... Even in this preseason we haven't scored more than one goal.
Bottom line is, we're in for a dogfight in the top four with Torres... Morata as our striker.
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I haven't been reading this forum much this past week, but skimming through I see posts like the ones above, so there must be reasons for people to write this. This tells me that there has been a meltdown over our CS loss and some posts on that thread I've seen are puzzling. Why? What did some people expect? :lol: This guy hasn't been at the helm for even a month. Anybody seriously thought we had a chance against a settled champion Guardiola side? Okay, there is always a fluke chance to scrape it, but that's not the point. As much as I've seen us this pre-season I am pleased with the signs of change, they are trying, but there are some obvious bottlenecks in this team. With a coach like Conte we'd have a higher chance of winning trophies, but the club clearly aren't that interested in that anymore, it's all about change of identity now. Every game this season will be part of a learning curve, let's have this discussion again in a year or two.

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3 minutes ago, kellzfresh said:
Its incredible really how we're not active in the market. I really thought we would have taken the initiative to get Higuain, a player who worked with Sarri, understands his system, and scored 36 league goals under him, even if it was a one year loan. But we moved sluggishly and now we can see that Morata is still the same old striker as majority of last season (falling on the ground from breeze, missing easy chances with his feet).
 
The loss of Costa was enough to make us score just 56 goals and ultimately out of top four. We still havent done anything to address the lack of goals from the team, we think Hazard will suddenly score 30 goals to compensate...... Even in this preseason we haven't scored more than one goal.
Bottom line, we're in for a dogfight in the top for with Torres... Morata as our striker.

B..B..B..But we still got Bats n Giroud, Shirley one of those can give us 20 goals no? c6076c73e51511811c81e79d24683ae5.gif

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5 hours ago, manpe said:

I haven't been reading this forum much this past week, but skimming through I see posts like the ones above, so there must be reasons for people to write this. This tells me that there has been a meltdown over our CS loss and some posts on that thread I've seen are puzzling. Why? What did some people expect? :lol: This guy hasn't been at the helm for even a month. Anybody seriously thought we had a chance against a settled champion Guardiola side? Okay, there is always a fluke chance to scrape it, but that's not the point. As much as I've seen us this pre-season I am pleased with the signs of change, they are trying, but there are some obvious bottlenecks in this team. With a coach like Conte we'd have a higher chance of winning trophies, but the club clearly aren't that interested in that anymore, it's all about change of identity now. Every game this season will be part of a learning curve, let's have this discussion again in a year or two.

Honestly its not like I am saying Sarri doesn't need time, all I want is for Sarri to have a little more backing from the board.

He got his midfielder in Jorginho, he was denied his defender in Rugani(we're playing an inconsistent luiz because of this decision), denied his CM in Golovin(we're playing an incredibly slow fabregas because of this decision), but I'm okay with those. What I am not at ease with is the striker position. I think a lot of fans have been spoilt by hazards ability and have forgotten how crucial a striker who can score 20-25 league goals is to a team. What happens when we fully adopt Sarri's system, playing fluid football, creating chances and Morata ends up missing all the chances and we lose anyway? We'll be going down the Arsenal route with such conditions.

Anyways imo any realistic chance of our top four hopes depends on if we have a player in our team that can score 20-25 league goals. Lets hope Morata delivers like many hope for.

5 hours ago, Unionjack said:

B..B..B..But we still got Bats n Giroud, Shirley one of those can give us 20 goals no? c6076c73e51511811c81e79d24683ae5.gif

Lool :lol: lets hope they deliver. Giroud is a world cup winning striker without a goal or shot on target in the whole tournament, but he had goalscoring Griezmann and Mbappe to score the goals. We have willian, pedro and hazard. Lets hope they can help the team.

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I will only be mad at Sarri if he caves in and plays experienced players just because reputation. 

Play young players and those who are actualy good. Simple. He gave Cho serious playtime so far and thats exactly what I want. If Willian and Pedro are shit, play CHO, dont play shit players over and over like Conte did.

If we had a breakthrough youth player, be it CHO or RLC (long shot) this season, then it would mean more than a fucking title. We won couple titles since 2000 and not a single english youth product in starting 11 since Terry.

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13 hours ago, Sideshow Luiz said:

 

Honestly the so called analysis r just irrelevant at this stage ... 

In Sarri's strategy, you need someone doing the dirty work to cover the deep lying midfield and cover the defense. We didnt have a specialist hence the distance between back line & front, hence the reason why defensive kept falling back while no one pressed the striker who had a free run to the goal. Now put in one of the best i.e. Kante besides Jorginho and the results will be so much better. because now Kante is covering his deep lying playmaker allowing him space and doubling up while the defense is holding it's line & moving back. 

I didnt get a chance to see the match but looking at the score line against a well oiled machinery says that we didnt do badly in our defense specially when it's a make shift one. 

The problem at hand (Jorginho is not a strong lad when it comes to defense - my opinion) is that whether we get a creative no 10 (Fabregas) or a physical midfield with work rate (the ones we have are Barley & RLC). Both would come with Pros & Cons. Thats is something Sarri will have a tough time with the current squad. 

I feel we wouldnt do well in the first few games until the system is ingrained in the players. Once it is done, then it will all come down to discipline of the players because this will only work if players show the discipline.  

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17 hours ago, kellzfresh said:

Lool :lol: lets hope they deliver. Giroud is a world cup winning striker without a goal or shot on target in the whole tournament, but he had goalscoring Griezmann and Mbappe to score the goals. We have willian, pedro and hazard. Lets hope they can help the team.

Giroud was integral to France's system. Yes he mite not have a single shot to show for but his hold up play picking up defenders and allowing space for the others to score is why he played through out. Yes if you look at the stats it surely is a lousy data but football is not always about data :)

Having said that, I dont think Giroud mite have a chance in Sarri's system. In his system, he like striker who make runs between the defensive line hence Bats mite get a chance over Giroud. Morata for me is non existent for me at this point. Tammy not sure. 

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5 hours ago, coolhead23 said:

Giroud was integral to France's system. Yes he mite not have a single shot to show for but his hold up play picking up defenders and allowing space for the others to score is why he played through out. Yes if you look at the stats it surely is a lousy data but football is not always about data :)

Having said that, I dont think Giroud mite have a chance in Sarri's system. In his system, he like striker who make runs between the defensive line hence Bats mite get a chance over Giroud. Morata for me is non existent for me at this point. Tammy not sure. 

Good point on Giroud's hold up play. The main point I was trying to drive there was Giroud had mbappe and griezmann to take the goalscoring burden off him, so he could concentrate on the role Dechamps set out for him. But we dont have that luxury of goalscoring wingers in chelsea. Hopefully the players weakness get protected by sarri's system, but I hope it doesn't come at the cost of losing top four because we have failed to get a goalscorer (we wouldn't want kante to start considering the PSG offers would we? :ph34r:). 

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