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Special Juan

Sarri But Not Sarri Thread

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3 minutes ago, Blue Armour said:

Really tempted by the idea of Lampard coming into management here. Would, no doubt, bring a couple of other members of the old guard with him to boost the dressing room mentality. Joe Cole is already a Chelsea youth coach.

Not sure about the vacancy's he will have if hypothetically he comes, i imagine Jody will follow alongside Shay Given, Zola will probably stay in the Steve Holland role until he has a better offer.

I may be in the minority but i wouldn't want any of the old guard to come in as a number 2 to Frank, would be too unbalanced for me.

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7 minutes ago, Blue Armour said:

After a long time, they did something bold by hiring someone like Sarri to take the helm. Unproven, but believed to potentially be able to bring the type of attacking football many fans have been craving for, for a long time. A really unorthodox move, all things considered.

I agree with you on this, but did they set him up to be successful?  Did they get him in early in the summer so he could have a full preseason?

8 minutes ago, Blue Armour said:

Compared to the transfer windows from recent seasons, they even bent over backwards not once, but twice, to get the manager his number one target, in Jorginho and Higuain.

This point I'll concede they got him Jorginho, but waiting until the end of January for Higuaín really didn't do him any favors.  Who knows how it would have turned out if they'd brought him in the summer as well.  Really they took a 5th place team and added Jorginho and picked up Kovacic on loan.  Switched out keepers.  I'm not sure that would have been enough to improve the team much anyway, but throw in changing the philosophy and style of play, I don't think the board did Sarri any favors.  They didn't have the courage of their convictions to get fully behind the change and back it with everything they could to be successful.  

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2 minutes ago, kc_blue said:

I agree with you on this, but did they set him up to be successful?  Did they get him in early in the summer so he could have a full preseason?

This point I'll concede they got him Jorginho, but waiting until the end of January for Higuaín really didn't do him any favors.  Who knows how it would have turned out if they'd brought him in the summer as well.  Really they took a 5th place team and added Jorginho and picked up Kovacic on loan.  Switched out keepers.  I'm not sure that would have been enough to improve the team much anyway, but throw in changing the philosophy and style of play, I don't think the board did Sarri any favors.  They didn't have the courage of their convictions to get fully behind the change and back it with everything they could to be successful.  

 

Those are very fair points. The short pre-season, and the dealing of Conte, was a blunder on their part. I have mixed feelings about the Higuain transfer being delayed. I guess Sarri would have liked to have him earlier on.

But remember, Sarri was the one who openly came out and said on arrival: "The transfer market bores me". He basically admitted he would try to coach and 'improve' the players that he already has. At the time, the board still wanted to give Morata another chance. Because they paid a lot for him, and it was technically his second season. Considering this, they have some justification for delaying the Higuain move (although it looks bad in hindsight)

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15 minutes ago, Blue Armour said:

But remember, Sarri was the one who openly came out and said on arrival: "The transfer market bores me". He basically admitted he would try to coach and 'improve' the players that he already has. At the time, the board still wanted to give Morata another chance. Because they paid a lot for him, and it was technically his second season. Considering this, they have some justification for delaying the Higuain move (although it looks bad in hindsight)

Yes, he did say that, but wasn't your point that the board did a good job this off season?  My point earlier was that the problems go further then the manager and that we need a shake up at the board level.  The new manager may have said the transfer market bores him but the board should have realized that the squad needed more then just Jorginho and a loan of Kovacic to compete at the level they expect.  That's why I think the titles won by Mourinho and Conte glossed things over, especially at the board level.  I don't think they are actually in touch with the quality or lack there of in the current squad.

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37 minutes ago, petre.ispirescu said:

Ok so he is going to get the sack. And then miraculously the players 'find' their form back. And Sarri would then be the 3rd manager in such a short space of time that had to go at the hand of players power. 

At this point to me it looks that Sarri could come up with the most revolutionary tactics and training methods, the players simply have gone into holiday mood already. Three seasons in five years they tanked even before January... 

The players will find the form again because nothing can be worse than Sarri with his clueless tactics.

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1 minute ago, Henrique said:

The players will find the form again because nothing can be worse than Sarri with his clueless tactics.

So true. Can't believe the players are getting the blame. They have been guilty of downing the tools in the.past, but yesterday I can't say they did not put in a good effort. Hell, I even saw Eden chase down rashford in the 80th minute or so. The players are putting in the effort but the tactics have made them look like shit.

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14 minutes ago, Jason said:

Sure, we should have done his appointment earlier but this talk of Sarri didn't have the full pre-season is nonsense TBH.

Is that right?  I must have misremembered, I thought Conte took the first two days of preseason and then was let go.  I don't remember Sarri showing up and taking over the next day, I thought they had someone else running training for at least another couple days after that.  I thought it came out to basically missing the first week.  He might have only missed the first two days but I think it goes further then that.  It was always going to be a tough preseason this year with the World Cup but the Conte situation and the haggling with Napoli only added to it.  It's arguable, but I'm a firm believer in the importance of preseason.  No reason to set yourself back anymore then you need to.  Others may disagree of course.

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2 minutes ago, kc_blue said:

Is that right?  I must have misremembered, I thought Conte took the first two days of preseason and then was let go.  I don't remember Sarri showing up and taking over the next day, I thought they had someone else running training for at least another couple days after that.  I thought it came out to basically missing the first week. 

We got Sarri two days into pre-season and he immediately took over after that. Why would someone else ran the training if we had already gotten our manager?

3 minutes ago, kc_blue said:

It's arguable, but I'm a firm believer in the importance of preseason.  No reason to set yourself back anymore then you need to.  Others may disagree of course.

Yeah and CHO was arguably the best performer in pre-season but was hardly ever used after that...

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Hahahahahahabahahahahah.... 

Can't believe some members are still backing up that smoking fraud... Now turning on players... You can't be earning millions as wages on weekly basis and yet be doing piss poor job same week...alonso luiz willian...same formation same tactics same sub... No way to try and navigate the season with the ones you have before going again in summer to bring in more players to suit your system..  Don't get me wrong we have massive shit players but Sarri enduring football not attacking football is massively exposing their weakness which a bad quality of a top manager... Remember not long we lost 4 0 to fucking Bournemouth so that means they have better squad than we do... The truth is Sarri is a fraud one dimensional manager that knows nothing than safe way to play 433 enduring football with his sugar son Jorginho that can't run and aid the defense when under pressure... A coward that can't go out of his comfort zone to play RLC CHO Emerson and try to use maybe 4231 formation when clearly all premier managers has found a very good way to nullify Sarriball...Pep doesn't need to dish out any instructions to his players on Sunday cos it's gonna be a long day... Sarriball so easy to play against....mark out Jorginho and jam-pack the middle of the area... Sarriball my foot 

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5 minutes ago, Jason said:

We got Sarri two days into pre-season and he immediately took over after that. Why would someone else ran the training if we had already gotten our manager?

Like I said I must have misremembered.  

6 minutes ago, Jason said:

Yeah and CHO was arguably the best performer in pre-season but was hardly ever used after that...

No argument from me on this.

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I don't think it's even a question of the players mentality but actually their ability. They are shit. 

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3 hours ago, petre.ispirescu said:

Ok so he is going to get the sack. And then miraculously the players 'find' their form back. And Sarri would then be the 3rd manager in such a short space of time that had to go at the hand of players power. 

At this point to me it looks that Sarri could come up with the most revolutionary tactics and training methods, the players simply have gone into holiday mood already. Three seasons in five years they tanked even before January... 

because we have a history of sacking Managers and not players ... so if someone doesnt like the manager or his methods, i m assuming a section of players dont really deliver which means the team doesnt perform and ultimately the gaffer gets the sack. Player power at its best!!! 

Having said that, we have Sarri to be equally blamed here along with the players. Sarri could be the best manager to implement the attacking philosophy at the club but he is just too rigid to adapt to the league (like Morata) ... U cant keep doing the same thing excepting different results which is exactly what is happening. We're so predictable with tactics that if we play against the U15 side, they would gives a run of the money. 

We need a total change across the board ... Men in the suits, Manager, players, at this point of time even the owner. There is no structure currently, no spine!!!... The best example to compare would be City as they started in a similar manner (takeover by a rick owner), they had a vision and are executing it in the best possible manner. 

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3 hours ago, Blue Armour said:

I maybe in the minority when I say this, ...but I cannot really blame the board.,.for THIS season at least.

After a long time, they did something bold by hiring someone like Sarri to take the helm. Unproven, but believed to potentially be able to bring the type of attacking football many fans have been craving for, for a long time. A really unorthodox move, all things considered. 

Compared to the transfer windows from recent seasons, they even bent over backwards not once, but twice, to get the manager his number one target, in Jorginho and Higuain.

I m with you on this ... I do feel that this time we havent been rash in terms of players this time ... Any other season Hudson Odio would have left the club at the first bid itself but we are playing the waiting game (eventually he would go). We did buy Jorghino and Higuaun who were Sarri's choices and then spend ridiculous amount of money on a goalkeeper .... yes we could have got someone cheaper, etc,etc,etc but we spend. 

For once this season, I feel the board has been thinking .... But having said that I would still want them gone for not having a plan. 

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Sarri is a departure from the 'ready made shelf item' they purchase 

But the board are at fault -they shouldn't get a 'work in progress'  manager  if theyre not prepared to give them at least two seasons and play youth and hungry players that the manager can bring in. 

Probably this week it will be Sarrivederci.….if not after the coming Sunday humiliation

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