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Special Juan

Sarri But Not Sarri Thread

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2 minutes ago, kellzfresh said:

 

I think that's also poor defending from Juve (was that Bonucci rushing down from his position?) but it really highlights one big problem in this team. We don't have the type of LCM that is required. Barkley, Kovacic and RLC don't know how make that run into to space I'm afraid

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8 minutes ago, kellzfresh said:

These players revolted against Conte, they accused him of being defensive, they ridiculed him and got him sacked. Now we have hired an attacking, possession based coach for them and they are throwing their toys out at the pram again??? I wont take it, the crybaby players have to reap what they sow...

Having an attacking-based coach is fine, but having one who is stubborn, inflexible, rigid at the same time? Yeah, there's an issue with that.

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5 minutes ago, !Hazard! said:

I think that's also poor defending from Juve (was that Bonucci rushing down from his position?) but it really highlights one big problem in this team. We don't have the type of LCM that is required. Barkley, Kovacic and RLC don't know how make that run into to space I'm afraid

You don't need a genius to exploit that kind of space if a team ever leave that huge space to attack.

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10 minutes ago, kellzfresh said:

 

On the other hand, one can easily take the same fixture from last season and show how Juventus' defensive setup practically shut out Napoli.

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1 hour ago, petre.ispirescu said:

If we are to compare anything it is the situations of these managers and not their playing style. Two have had at least five or six full transfer windows to rebuild and were given big funds, whereas the other is being crucified after half a season and one outfield player to suit his tactics. Now two, with Higuain. What is funny is that Klopp could end his fourth season there trophyless and would probably still be backed by the fans. 

Things must change drastically at the end of the season and frankly I'd rather we stick to Sarri and rebuild around Jorginho and Higuain, players that would fight for the manager, rather than keep the current underperforming/unhappy ones. 

Time to move on from Hazard, Willian, Pedro, Cahill, Luiz and others that have a (toxic) influence in the locker room. If it was me in charge I'd shift Azpilicueta, too, at the very first offer. No need for Kovacic also so give the funds to Sarri and let him rebuild with players he trusts. 

Klopp got rid of (Mignolet, Karius, Clyne, Sahko, Klavan, Moreno, Lallana, Sturridge, Origi) all out of his starting lineup and got (Alisson, Vandjyk, Matip, Robertson, Keita, Fabinho, Shaqiri, Salah,) in 3 years before his ATTACKING football started to work.

Pep got rid of (Hart, Bravo, Zabaleta, Sagna, Mangala, Kolarov, Clichy, Yaya, Navas, Nasri, Iheanacho, Bony) all out of his starting lineup and got (Ederson, Danilo, Kylewalker, Stones, Laporte, Mendy, Gundogan, Mahrez, Sane, Jesus etc) in 1+ years before his ATTACKING football started to work.

In Sarri we finally found an attacking manager with a philosophy and these players want to use player power and pull a fast one, after complaining about Conte's defensive tactics and ruining our season. They're not getting away with it this time, we die here.....

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17 minutes ago, !Hazard! said:

I think that's also poor defending from Juve (was that Bonucci rushing down from his position?) but it really highlights one big problem in this team. We don't have the type of LCM that is required. Barkley, Kovacic and RLC don't know how make that run into to space I'm afraid

neither we have an right central midfielder who can make that pass.

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7 minutes ago, Jason said:

You don't need a genius to exploit that kind of space if a team ever leave that huge space to attack.

Apparently the chelsea players dont know that.

None of the attackers like to make runs off the ball to stretch the play, they don't play one touch football, they hug the ball with 4, 5, 6, 7 touches before releasing it and still dont move into space to stretch the play. They're tactically inept and its going to take a ton of time to change this mentality.

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4 minutes ago, Fernando said:

I still back Sarri. 

Give him till next season, we gave him two years contact. 

Let the man do his work! 

The biggest argument for Sarri is he doesn’t have the players to play his style, but my concern is if he has the authority to make hard decisions on this squad. If he is going to be successful playing his style, then big changes are necessary. Worst outcome would be to persist with the same players, and try to force them into his style. I currently see him doing the latter. 

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44 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

Exactly. There were people here banging on about defensive stability, now we've let 4 in you don't hear them anymore. Less and less arguments with every game, until they are left with none.

Sarri also has no authority, because we've got players in this team who have done more in football world than he has. He's basically a nobody to them and the inability to impose himself as a leader is evident. Zola has far more impact on the players than he has. The comparisons with Guardiola and Klopp are laughable, you lads should check again what Klopp did with Dortmund before coming to England.

We've now gone full circle with all these managers, coaches, tacticians, philosophers.. I really do think we should hire someone who is one of us, has connections at the club, brings some peace and authority and is respected by everyone at Chelsea. We need this along with hiring football men in the board and getting rid with the deadwood we have in this team. A lot of these players lack quality, its not that they don't try. Fresh start in every department. 

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7 minutes ago, kellzfresh said:

Klopp got rid of (Mignolet, Karius, Clyne, Sahko, Klavan, Moreno, Lallana, Sturridge, Origi) all out of his starting lineup and got (Alisson, Vandjyk, Matip, Robertson, Keita, Fabinho, Shaqiri, Salah,) in 3 years before his ATTACKING football started to work.

Pep got rid of (Hart, Bravo, Zabaleta, Sagna, Mangala, Kolarov, Clichy, Yaya, Navas, Nasri, Iheanacho, Bony) all out of his starting lineup and got (Ederson, Danilo, Kylewalker, Stones, Laporte, Mendy, Gundogan, Mahrez, Sane, Jesus etc) in 1+ years before his ATTACKING football started to work.

In Sarri we finally found an attacking manager with a philosophy and these players want to use player power and pull a fast one, after complaining about Conte's defensive tactics and ruining our season. They're not getting away with it this time, we die here.....

So people are basically asking the club to give Sarri time in HOPE that he will turn out to be like Klopp or Guardiola? Is that really a convincing argument when Sarri has displayed some of the worst qualities for a manager to have at the highest level? What if Sarri is basically another Van Gaal? Furthermore, do you really think our club will back Sarri like how City and Liverpool have backed Guardiola and Klopp? If they are really behind Sarri, they would have signed a midfielder as backup to Jorginho.

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On that video posted of  Napoli's play. I agree with points already made about movement of the ball. Obviously crucial. However, just as bad (if not worse) is our cowardly choices on the ball. Watch that ball into Hamsik's feet before he lays the ball back. It's in a space surrounded by Juve players. It's a risky ball and you need trust that he can do something once he gets it. Then the return pass to Hamsik is under pressure, quick and again not an easy pass. 

In other words, they took more RISK than the first few passes in the video. Risk takes courage and trust. But our players lack that completely. Higuain will make good runs all day long. Nobody is even looking for them, and if they do will they risk losing possession or play the more shit cycle ball? Kante and Kovacic won't. They are looking to just keep the move moving. Barkley is worse most times. They more scared of losing the ball. 

Watch the recent match. Any pressure and the ball is sent back to the cbs. ANY pressure. It's ridiculous. If they play more forward passes under pressure, then movement will become obvious. The player pressing you HAS JUST LEFT SOME SPACE. Two or three forwarding passes under pressure and suddenly the pitch opens up. 

TL;DR

all cms, fullbacks and even our wingers shit their pants when slightly pressed attempt not even somewhat difficult passes under pressure. 

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9 minutes ago, Jason said:

So people are basically asking the club to give Sarri time in HOPE that he will turn out to be like Klopp or Guardiola? Is that really a convincing argument when Sarri has displayed some of the worst qualities for a manager to have at the highest level? What if Sarri is basically another Van Gaal? Furthermore, do you really think our club will back Sarri like how City and Liverpool have backed Guardiola and Klopp? If they are really behind Sarri, they would have signed a midfielder as backup to Jorginho.

how would the club back him with midfielder they know Sarri will not play ahead of his pet Jorginho despite the fact that Jorginho keeps struggling presently...

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Just now, eemanyooel said:

how would the club back him with midfielder they know Sarri will not play ahead of his pet Jorginho despite the fact that Jorginho keeps struggling presently...

Then there lies another issue with Sarri, isn't it? 

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15 minutes ago, Jason said:

So people are basically asking the club to give Sarri time in HOPE that he will turn out to be like Klopp or Guardiola? Is that really a convincing argument when Sarri has displayed some of the worst qualities for a manager to have at the highest level? What if Sarri is basically another Van Gaal? Furthermore, do you really think our club will back Sarri like how City and Liverpool have backed Guardiola and Klopp? If they are really behind Sarri, they would have signed a midfielder as backup to Jorginho.

So has Klopp and so has Pep. Lack of rotations are one of their biggest faults. Klopp ran 7 or 8 BVB players into the ground in his final 2 seasons. Same with Pep at Bayern but he blamed fitness coaches and doctors. If we had either of those 2 and this happened it would still be the same. Players need to get on with it, show a bit of effort and toughen up. Also Pep refuses to let Foden leave on loan but wants to keep him because hes a young player with huge talent... sound familiar? Pep also stuck with Bravo in goals when he first arrived despite costing them matches/playing poorly. Again. Similar. All coaches have limitations but Pep is in his 3rd season at City with a squad stockpiled with brilliant players after people said his style and his arrogance in believing it would cost him success.... Klopp has built the best Liverpool 11 in god knows how long because he has time and they bought into his methods. Even more ironic if we sacked Sarri who would we get next? The list of good managers we havent appointed who would potentially be interested gets smaller every few seasons. 

 

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Just now, Jason said:

Then there lies another issue with Sarri, isn't it? 

obviously...reports coming out that the way he keeps isolating CHO is sending negative mesage to senior club officials especially this CHO contract saga and Bayern interest in him...

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1 hour ago, OneMoSalah said:

So has Klopp and so has Pep. Lack of rotations are one of their biggest faults. Klopp ran 7 or 8 BVB players into the ground in his final 2 seasons. Same with Pep at Bayern but he blamed fitness coaches and doctors. If we had either of those 2 and this happened it would still be the same. Players need to get on with it, show a bit of effort and toughen up. Also Pep refuses to let Foden leave on loan but wants to keep him because hes a young player with huge talent... sound familiar? Pep also stuck with Bravo in goals when he first arrived despite costing them matches/playing poorly. Again. Similar.

Yeah but they adapted, eventually. Our problems are clear and obvious but is Sarri doing anything? Nope. No tactical tweaks, no switch of formation, no nothing!

1 hour ago, OneMoSalah said:

All coaches have limitations but Pep is in his 3rd season at City with a squad stockpiled with brilliant players after people said his style and his arrogance in believing it would cost him success.... Klopp has built the best Liverpool 11 in god knows how long because he has time and they bought into his methods. Even more ironic if we sacked Sarri who would we get next? The list of good managers we havent appointed who would potentially be interested gets smaller every few seasons. 

Again, you are confusing the criticism of Sarri with his style. Have no issues about with his style, but rather how he's going about it to implement that style!

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The best way is to keep Sarri for another two seasons. 

That way the players will either adopt to his style, get rid of lazy attitude and shit mentality or they will fuck off to another club and they can be lazy there.

Either way we wont have players that dont give a shit anymore and think they are bigger than club.

 

Also shoutout to all the negative posters here who want changes, improvement etc but the same moment something goes wrong, you scream sack this one, sell that one...Klopp had his shit time at pool but they kept him and now look their results. It should be a nice example to all that Sarri can turn this around if the players are willing to give 100% too. Trust the process.

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1 minute ago, BlueLyon said:

The best way is to keep Sarri for another two seasons. 

That way the players will either adopt to his style, get rid of lazy attitude and shit mentality or they will fuck off to another club and they can be lazy there.

Either way we wont have players that dont give a shit anymore and think they are bigger than club.

Another one with keeping Sarri for the sake of keeping him. Lovely. Better pray that he doesn't get himself sack first!

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