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Daniele Rugani

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45 minutes ago, Sideshow Luiz said:

I thought it was both that we were linked with.  Definately remember Romagnoli.

Either way, it's an odd signing if it does happen.  Of all the positions that need strengthening (with depth), CB isn't really one of them.

 

Playing devils advocate its not the position WE might thing the team needs strengthening but from what Ive read Sarri starts most of his attacks from defenders so he must have seen enough of our lads to think we need to get him.

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13 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

Playing devils advocate its not the position WE might thing the team needs strengthening but from what Ive read Sarri starts most of his attacks from defenders so he must have seen enough of our lads to think we need to get him.

Fair enough.  

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Why do we need him exactly?

We dont need another CB. Even less, we dont need another inexperienced, young CB from different league.

Seems this window will be same old, throwing 30m+ on average players instead of getting 3 top class players to strenghten midfield and attack.

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10 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

Why do we need him exactly?

We dont need another CB. Even less, we dont need another inexperienced, young CB from different league.

Seems this window will be same old, throwing 30m+ on average players instead of getting 3 top class players to strenghten midfield and attack.

now as CB we have: cahill, luiz, rudiger, christiensen plus zouma, hector,kalas and maybe someone other.
i think we don't need a CB, it would be better put money in take midfielder or striker like Icardi (instead of higuain);
but said that i guess Rugani would be a great purchase, sure better a £80-80B on KK.
Probably kalas, hector, luiz will be sold or  don't play for us and cahill is getting old, so we keep christiensen, rudiger and maybe zouma ( i hope)!  3-4 CB we need! and sold olders  for take youngers for me is a good thing!

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19 hours ago, blues.bridge said:

now as CB we have: cahill, luiz, rudiger, christiensen plus zouma, hector,kalas and maybe someone other.
i think we don't need a CB, it would be better put money in take midfielder or striker like Icardi (instead of higuain);
but said that i guess Rugani would be a great purchase, sure better a £80-80B on KK.
Probably kalas, hector, luiz will be sold or  don't play for us and cahill is getting old, so we keep christiensen, rudiger and maybe zouma ( i hope)!  3-4 CB we need! and sold olders  for take youngers for me is a good thing!

Only two fit Sarri's mould and the latter two aren't even PL level players.

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1 hour ago, Tomo said:

Only two fit Sarri's mould and the latter two aren't even PL level players.

We have Rudi, Christensen, zouma and Cahill that is enough imo if we revert back to back 4.

We need a passers in midfield, imo the most pressing need and maybe another winger. 

I definitely want better fb but if we play with 4 at the back we have 5 fb already. 

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9 minutes ago, communicate said:

We have Rudi, Christensen, zouma and Cahill that is enough imo if we revert back to back 4.

We need a passers in midfield, imo the most pressing need and maybe another winger. 

I definitely want better fb but if we play with 4 at the back we have 5 fb already. 

We keep going thru this tho.

Look at the thread for Sarris  system. He always start attacks from the CBs. They need to be creative, Comfortable and technical with the ball and be able to pass. At a push AC can be backup. Rudi is more like it which doesn't leave us anyone else with those strengths.

Sarri must know this or we wouldn't be getting linked with so many.

Then of course yes Kante. OK We MIGHT push to use Barkley or RLC as 3rd man but he needs a shit hot partner and a Willi upgrade. And I dont see us having a good enough striker still no matter who we have on our books right now..

And if Edens off then of course it lands us in a deeper hole to fill.

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I don't understand why some ppl think we don't need a CB we leaked alot of goals against weaker sides last season which is not good Luiz and cahill are not good enough no more 

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20 hours ago, Unionjack said:

We keep going thru this tho.

Look at the thread for Sarris  system. He always start attacks from the CBs. They need to be creative, Comfortable and technical with the ball and be able to pass. At a push AC can be backup. Rudi is more like it which doesn't leave us anyone else with those strengths.

Sarri must know this or we wouldn't be getting linked with so many.

Then of course yes Kante. OK We MIGHT push to use Barkley or RLC as 3rd man but he needs a shit hot partner and a Willi upgrade. And I dont see us having a good enough striker still no matter who we have on our books right now..

And if Edens off then of course it lands us in a deeper hole to fill.

 

20 hours ago, manpe said:

Man, forget about Zouma and Cahill, we will be looking to play possession football. Christensen and Rugani fighting for a place next to Rüdiger and Cahill providing backup looks good enough for me for starters. We will always have somebody comfortable on the ball at the back no matter what combo we field, would not be the case if we were forced to play Zouma and GC together.

As much as I agree that Cahill and zouma will struggle, we are no longer the old chelsea where we can keep spending big money on multiple position. Imo we need major upgrade in midfield and maybe a right winger. If we spend too much on cb, we will just sign average player as midfield, which we don't need. 

People will say we can play Barkley, rlc with kante as holder. That looks like a good midfield but none of them are terrific passer. As much as I like kante, his passing is average for a midfield. Last year, whenever Fabregas struggle or don't play, we really lack somebody to deliver quick pass to hazard, hence hazard need to pick up the ball deeper which reduce his effectiveness

 

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21 minutes ago, communicate said:

 

As much as I agree that Cahill and zouma will struggle, we are no longer the old chelsea where we can keep spending big money on multiple position. Imo we need major upgrade in midfield and maybe a right winger. If we spend too much on cb, we will just sign average player as midfield, which we don't need. 

People will say we can play Barkley, rlc with kante as holder. That looks like a good midfield but none of them are terrific passer. As much as I like kante, his passing is average for a midfield. Last year, whenever Fabregas struggle or don't play, we really lack somebody to deliver quick pass to hazard, hence hazard need to pick up the ball deeper which reduce his effectiveness

 

Couldn't agree more about needing a technical CM but I'm going by all the reports that I've read about how Sarri builds his attacks from defense and we don't have a technically  gifted player that is able to do that

Its not a matter of them struggling they just aren't capable of it. And if we seriously want to make any attempt at competing at any level then we do have to bring in creative players in defense,CM AND forwards. 3 VERY GOOD players at a minimum but 5 to be serious.

We need to start offloading all the deadwood wonky donkeys,The loanees,the over aged.the slow,wannabes,hasbeens and total utter shite. This should have been happening each year but we have accumulated a forest full of it now and its time for a bloody good clear out.

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37 minutes ago, communicate said:

 

As much as I agree that Cahill and zouma will struggle, we are no longer the old chelsea where we can keep spending big money on multiple position. Imo we need major upgrade in midfield and maybe a right winger. If we spend too much on cb, we will just sign average player as midfield, which we don't need. 

People will say we can play Barkley, rlc with kante as holder. That looks like a good midfield but none of them are terrific passer. As much as I like kante, his passing is average for a midfield. Last year, whenever Fabregas struggle or don't play, we really lack somebody to deliver quick pass to hazard, hence hazard need to pick up the ball deeper which reduce his effectiveness

 

CB build up is the most important part of Sarri's tactics, Cahill and especially Zouma playing significant minutes will kill us. 

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1 hour ago, Tomo said:

CB build up is the most important part of Sarri's tactics, Cahill and especially Zouma playing significant minutes will kill us. 

I only watched napoli once against city and it wasn't the full game. Hopefully you are right that having good passers in cb is enough because last season my biggest problem especially when we play with 352,is the lack of passing from deep. Kante was free most of the time but his passing was too conservative and I think napoli played jorginho which I heard to be pretty good passers as their dm

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4 minutes ago, communicate said:

I only watched napoli once against city and it wasn't the full game. Hopefully you are right that having good passers in cb is enough because last season my biggest problem especially when we play with 352,is the lack of passing from deep. Kante was free most of the time but his passing was too conservative and I think napoli played jorginho which I heard to be pretty good passers as their dm

A good passer as our DM is needed but without 2 ball playing cb's  it would be pointless. Teams would just mark the playmaker and we'd be screwed. 

If you've got 2 ball playing cb's and a playmaker manmarking doesn't work.

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10 hours ago, Belgiannutt said:

A good passer as our DM is needed but without 2 ball playing cb's  it would be pointless. Teams would just mark the playmaker and we'd be screwed. 

If you've got 2 ball playing cb's and a playmaker manmarking doesn't work.

If we were still the old Chelsea, where we can spend and spend. I absolutely agree that let's sign a quality cb and a dm. But in reality if we try to get both, we will just sign two average players. I rather sign a really good dm and have cahill, zouma or Luiz as  backup rather than having rugani and an average dm. 

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All I know about the player is mostly from reputation but it's probably fair to say this is the main reason Sarri wants him

 

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13 minutes ago, Rapkun said:

All I know about the player is mostly from reputation but it's probably fair to say this is the main reason Sarri wants him

 

I've realized I had started to go down the worse possible path. I had found myself into thinking like a Manure 'supporter' Some footballing snobby twat that thinks unless a player is a household name and costs close to £100mill then he wasn't worth looking at.

But its ALL about putting together players that combine to make a single working unit. And thats what fucks Manure up.

All of our best buys have been under £35mill while not being pocket change it certainly is nothing compared to whats being asked for many options.

Before we was linked with Rugani and Golovin I wouldn't have even pondered buying them but the more Ive read and watched them the happier I get about us hopefully buying them.

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Just wondering if we switch to 4atb and Sarri loving ball playing CBs, he will surely play Christensen, right?

That means we will play Christensen-Rugani and I have little confidence we can put in a strong defence with such young CBs and no vocal leader around. Azpi is good defender, but he is hardly leader like Terry. And he wont be around CBs all the time on that right side to instruct and lead.

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On 6/29/2018 at 3:16 PM, Belgiannutt said:

A good passer as our DM is needed but without 2 ball playing cb's  it would be pointless. Teams would just mark the playmaker and we'd be screwed. 

If you've got 2 ball playing cb's and a playmaker manmarking doesn't work.

I hope for the sake of this club identity, we dont play two CBs just because they are good on the ball. Otamendi is pure shit of a defender for example. Pique, Ramos, Stones, Silva nothing special when it comes to pure defending. 

Terry and Puyol were good ball playing CBs, but their reputation was based on world class defending. 

If we can get classy CBs who can pass the ball and at same time superb defenders, Im all for it.

But if we target CBs like Bonucci, every quality striker will punish us. Like Pool ripped City defence apart. 

Honestly I rather see boring Chelsea than bunch of pussy CBs like Otamendi, Bonucci,...man f*ck your ball playig skills if you are garbage defender and fail everytime things get heated. 

Pique, Bonucci all got carried by Puyol, Barzagli, Chielini, Busquets,...they have elite passing and ball control skill, but as defenders they are nothing special at all. Some "random" CBs like Naldo, Miranda are miles more reliable.

I hope we dont follow that path, but it seems we are. If thats the case, we can safely assume that our european chances will depend on how good our attack will be, because I guarantee these ball playing CBs will be on fail videos everytime against quality opponents.

Take a look at Luiz, he was here for his character and ball playing skills. He wouldnt be near first 11 if it was for his defending.

Give me Miranda, Godin, Chielini over these fancy CBs anyday of the week.

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