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Jason

Tiemoue Bakayoko

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9 hours ago, Tomo said:

We can balance the two. As much as it's a building season it's also crucial we get back in top four, we are pushing it asking Hazard and Kante to give up CL football for the second time in prime years, a third will be taking the piss.

Yes I agree completely, but would be better if Chelsea planned ahead, now we were left with no other quality choice but Kovacic on loan without buy clause.

But IMO doesnt matter if our midfield is perfect, if Morata replicates last season form, we are not going to be in top 4, simple as that. We need two reliable players, like we had with Eden and Costa. Now we only have Eden. Thats not enough to get in top 4 right now, considering how shit our defence looked recently. Sarri got his midfield, but he also plays attacking football and we dont have quality striker which is very worrying.

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34 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

But IMO doesnt matter if our midfield is perfect, if Morata replicates last season form, we are not going to be in top 4, simple as that. We need two reliable players, like we had with Eden and Costa. Now we only have Eden. Thats not enough to get in top 4 right now, considering how shit our defence looked recently. Sarri got his midfield, but he also plays attacking football and we dont have quality striker which is very worrying.

The goalscoring burden should not be only on Morata and Hazard. Others have to contribute as well. When we had successful seasons in the past, we usually had at least 3-4 players contributing at least 10 goals. Take our 16/17 season for example - Costa, Hazard, Pedro and Willian each scored more than 10 goals - 20, 17, 13 and 12 respectively in all competitions. And if we look at last season's top four, three of the teams had at least 3 players who scored more than 10 goals in the Premier League:

Man City - Sterling (18), Aguero (21), Sane (10), Jesus (13)
Liverpool - Salah (32), Firmino (15), Mane (10)
Spurs - Kane (30), Son (12), Eriksen (10)

So, Willian, Pedro, Giroud, Barkley etc MUST also contribute their fair share of goals. 

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35 minutes ago, Jason said:

The goalscoring burden should not be only on Morata and Hazard. Others have to contribute as well. When we had successful seasons in the past, we usually had at least 3-4 players contributing at least 10 goals. Take our 16/17 season for example - Costa, Hazard, Pedro and Willian each scored more than 10 goals - 20, 17, 13 and 12 respectively in all competitions. And if we look at last season's top four, three of the teams had at least 3 players who scored more than 10 goals in the Premier League:

Man City - Sterling (18), Aguero (21), Sane (10), Jesus (13)
Liverpool - Salah (32), Firmino (15), Mane (10)
Spurs - Kane (30), Son (12), Eriksen (10)

So, Willian, Pedro, Giroud, Barkley etc MUST also contribute their fair share of goals. 

Sure but we lost a player that scored the MOST goals for us and we didnt replace him.

Hazard will likely be on around 15 and Willian/Pedro on 10. Even if someone else also contributes 10, that wont be enough because we need someone that can do 20 and we dont have one.

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3 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

Sure but we lost a player that scored the MOST goals for us and we didnt replace him.

Hazard will likely be on around 15 and Willian/Pedro on 10. Even if someone else also contributes 10, that wont be enough because we need someone that can do 20 and we dont have one.

I don't disagree at all. But if we're talking about top 4, then a distribution of say 15, 15, 10, 10 might well be enough. Different case if we're talking for the title.

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5 hours ago, Unionjack said:

I dont THINK the WBM will leave to anywhere but PSG myself. And its an awful thought and hope I'm wrong but I see Eden at Manure when Mou is sacked and ZZ takes over. So whether he signs a new contract,we win the PL or we make him captain he will join ZZ when he whistles.

Kante is a good guy but he will try and make a move if he feels he has too, he is ruthless when it comes to his career it's how we got him in the first place. 

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4 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Kante is a good guy but he will try and make a move if he feels he has too, he is ruthless when it comes to his career it's how we got him in the first place. 

In my head i was a bit different.

From the reports I read he never hid the fact that he was ambitious and wasn't staying at Leicester.

Whereas I think hes very happy here. He said that he wouldn't push for a move too.

So I think if we show ambition in different ways, prove to the lad via golden handcuffs how important he is to us then I dont know what more ANY player could ask for.

Tho I do think he would like to end his career at PSG

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1 hour ago, BlueLyon said:

Sure but we lost a player that scored the MOST goals for us and we didnt replace him.

Hazard will likely be on around 15 and Willian/Pedro on 10. Even if someone else also contributes 10, that wont be enough because we need someone that can do 20 and we dont have one.

Those figures would be in a defensive system

We dont really know yet as we havent seen our starting 11 all together what if any difference this midfield will make.

I dont think many of us reallise just how much difference having a proper DLP and a ACM will make to our forwards yet. We have now got that faster acting/thinking/moving Cescy we have been wanting. And Kovacic is going to be a tremendous help.

I'm hoping it will make a vast change to Eden etc. Just as long as they put themselves into the positions they can do damage.

 

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3 hours ago, mccg said:

Its best thing to do I can see him do well in the serie A cause the football is slow and you have more time on the ball which u don't get in the PL 

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5 hours ago, the wes said:

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Its best thing to do I can see him do well in the serie A cause the football is slow and you have more time on the ball which u don't get in the PL 

Yeah hope we got a decent loan fee , showed glimpses of real quality but alas was not consistent enough verging on horrible performances! The hunt for the new Lampard-Kante-Essien perfect midfielder goes on !

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€40m option to buy? Daaaamn, that's awesome... But I'm wary whether they are willing to pay it once they see how useless he really is.

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Would say good work by the board but it was their mistake (maybe a harsh word but generally think they extremely overestimated him) in the first place that led to us ending up with this guy, who unfortunately just didn't ever look good enough last season and is so uncharacteristically suited to how Sarri wants to play.

Its a shame because I think that he may go on and rescue his career so to speak and the sort of physical profile he has (despite the fact hes on the deck more often than not going shoulder to shoulder with 5 ft 10 players) would compliment our MF a bit too, we lack height in it (unless Barkley is a regular gives us a bit but think Kovacic is nailed on for LCM) but ultimately no point in him sitting here not playing when we can get some cash for him and no point in him being here if hes not of any use to the manager.

Even scarier, Chalobah isn't exactly a brilliant footballer but he would have put much better performances in with the amount of game time Baka got. Thats the harsh truth of it all. 

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On 8/12/2018 at 1:15 AM, mccg said:

Yeah hope we got a decent loan fee , showed glimpses of real quality but alas was not consistent enough verging on horrible performances! The hunt for the new Lampard-Kante-Essien perfect midfielder goes on !

well if Jorginho - Kovacic - Kante clicks really well we wont need to wait that long

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53 minutes ago, manpe said:

€40m option to buy? Daaaamn, that's awesome... But I'm wary whether they are willing to pay it once they see how useless he really is.

if he clicks there and comes good then who knows? i wouldnt mind having a much improved Bakayoko back here to be honest, i know its a big ask and people will laugh at me for this, i still have faith in him despite everything. In the mean time it will be good for Baka to get playing time in Milan and restore his confidence, unfortunately it didnt work out here, turbulent start to last season and all that, its a shame because he actually looked good for Monaco and i wanted him to do good for us, but right now this is the best move for him, at least he wont rot here on the bench and stain his development, and if Milan end up wanting him for good then accept it. Good luck Bakayoko and all the best.

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12 minutes ago, Johnnyeye said:

well if Jorginho - Kovacic - Kante clicks really well we wont need to wait that long

I noticed against huddersfield Kante was getting into the box alot sarri could push Kante into the next level and make him into a even better player the only problem with  Jorginho - Kovacic - Kante is they are not strong in the air 

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