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3. Marcos Alonso

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11 hours ago, mccg said:

He was at fault for the 2nd goal aswell wee Mata mugged him from getting the ball we need to go all out and get telles or Sandro Alonso is just not good enough 

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7 hours ago, the wes said:

He was at fault for the 2nd goal aswell wee Mata mugged him from getting the ball we need to go all out and get telles or Sandro Alonso is just not good enough 

Yeah Sarri says Chelsea's Marcos Alonso could be one of the best left-backs in the world last month ?! Funk i wouldn't like to see a bang average 1 then ,grrrr Alonso grrrr , time for Palmieri to be given the chance to take over the slot imho , maybe a good dropping is what he needs, buck up his ideas!

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8 hours ago, the wes said:

He was at fault for the 2nd goal aswell wee Mata mugged him from getting the ball we need to go all out and get telles or Sandro Alonso is just not good enough 

Junior Firpo FTW

I go into basically all the other LB options too, Telles now has a 75m euro release clause, as he just signed a new contract, same for Jose Gaya, who now has a 100m euro release clause after new contract signed. This coming summer is last year Alex Sandro is of an age worth buying, but even now he is maybe not worth the £70m plus Juve will demand as we would only get a year and a half of sub 30yo play out of him and fullbacks age badly.

 

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1 hour ago, Jason said:

Kovacic may provide better defensive cover but even when he was playing in the first half, United still found space to attack down our left because Alonso went AWOL defensively. You can point the finger at the LCM for the lack of defensive cover but if the LB doesn't have any defensive awareness (worse if he doesn't have any pace!), then we're gonna be in trouble most of the time because let's not forget, Kovacic isn't there just to provide defensive cover, he's also there to link up play in the final third. Can't expect him to be charging up and down the field when he's not a box-to-box midfielder. One tactical option Sarri could maybe consider is shift Kante to the left side of the midfield but then again, not sure if that would work.

Alonso is a cross Chelsea has to carry. We have to find players to accommodate his defensive weaknesses instead of trying to improve other areas. Even Hazard had to track back to commit a tactical foul on Rashford, because Alonso was caught out of position again. Every big team targets his wing, Mancity kept Mahrez and Bernado silva on that wing and scored two goals and created many, Arsenal kept Mykiterian and Aubameyang on that wing and created even more, Defensive Mourinho kept a quick Rashford on his wing and created all ManUnited chances from Alonso's side. He scores 1 goal every 8 games to make his contribution look so huge, how he has managed to con his way to become one of our key players baffles my mind constantly. :doh:  

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1 hour ago, Stats said:

The way fans turn on players is actually scary. WOW.

To be fair a lot of people have been skeptical of Alonso, he always shuts up people with a winner something which has failed to do of late thus people are focusing on his obvious flaws again. 

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1 hour ago, Fulham Broadway said:

It's the speed of from hero to zero lol

No speed at all.

We called this before a game was kicked off, as soon as Sarri was announced.

The teams weaknesses were hardly state secrets.

Strikers were shit, I mean SHIT are shit, will be shit

RW is shit, as Pedro is not an everyday player at this point in his career (he never really was, as he is very slight of build and takes a beating) and Willian is a joke, a £65m loss of a great sale joke

LB is shit, Alonso clearly is not a back 4 acceptable level fullback

Luiz is shit, for all his passing, he makes mental errors at far too great a rate, he always has

All of that remains

Luiz just looks a little better because AC has fallen down a large notch, Cahill is a fossil, and Ampadu is hurt.

Add to that Azpi's downturn in play and now Kante's struggles to adapt

 

Hazard, Rudiger, Kepa, Jorginho, Kovavcic, and occasionally Barkley (lately has come on really well) and Pedro (earlier, now is hurt) are carrying the team

4 outfield regulars

a GK

and 2 part-timers

Azpi and Kante have been oki, nothing more usually, other than the occasional really good game, NOTHING like they have been for last 3,4 years

the rest have been poor or basically non existent in any meaningful impact OR (big issue here) not played (RLC, Amps and especially CHO)

Its amazing we do not have a loss yet, and all credit to Sarri on that, BUT the long term cost of shit rotation, probable lack of upgrades in January (its HARD to do business then and our board is SHIT usually even in the summer windows) and then no youngsters getting more than a whiff will burn us bad, especially if injuries occur

 

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The way fans turn on players is actually scary. WOW.
It's inevitable with a few players in our squad. A few goals/assists can only mask obvious flaws for so long.

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Sarri should consider Alonso as a Striker/CF, his major assets is that he excels in the final third ... I'm sure he will much much better than Morata in every sense and more importantly would have more goals for us :ph34r:

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10 minutes ago, coolhead23 said:

Sarri should consider Alonso as a Striker/CF, his major assets is that he excels in the final third ... I'm sure he will much much better than Morata in every sense and more importantly would have more goals for us :ph34r:

Excels in the final 3rd is a gross exaggeration, he doesn't. Do you think he'd be clinical when he'd be specifically marked by several defenders and he doesn't have the luxury to be the odd man in the box coming from deep left?

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11 hours ago, Vesper said:

No speed at all.

We called this before a game was kicked off, as soon as Sarri was announced.

The teams weaknesses were hardly state secrets.

Strikers were shit, I mean SHIT are shit, will be shit

RW is shit, as Pedro is not an everyday player at this point in his career (he never really was, as he is very slight of build and takes a beating) and Willian is a joke, a £65m loss of a great sale joke

LB is shit, Alonso clearly is not a back 4 acceptable level fullback

 

Thing is he'll score in a game or two, then to dissenters he's 'OK' again

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4 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

 

Thing is he'll score in a game or two, then to dissenters he's 'OK' again

Not me. He needs to be sold whilst we can still get good money for him. He simply isn't good enough. Same for Willian, Morata, Cahill, Luiz, Bakayoko, Drinkwater, Moses, Zappacosta, and probably Emerson (he has done nothing to convince me he isnt permanently damaged goods).

All those are doing nothing but going down in value each year.

We need to see what Baba Rahman can do at LB and Bats can do at striker and sell them too if they are not going to work out.

 I am willing to keep Cesc and Giroud on for one more year, unless we get crazy money offers.

It is madness to build a team around Alonso, Willian, Luiz, and Morata.

That is EXACTLY what the fucking board is trying to do by renewing the first 3 and refusing to get a new striker to replace the 4th.

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5 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

 

Thing is he'll score in a game or two, then to dissenters he's 'OK' again

The goals don’t change anything for me, if anything it’s frustrating that to most other supporters a goal here and there papers over the flaws to his game. 

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3 hours ago, Vesper said:

 

It is madness to build a team around Alonso, Willian, Luiz, and Morata.

That is EXACTLY what the fucking board is trying to do by renewing the first 3 and refusing to get a new striker to replace the 4th.

We're not sure the board is trying to do that. The usual pattern is Sarri will be given a few choices for next season, then fuck all, and the revolving door gets pushed again.

Main areas for improvement at the moment are the defence (only Rudiger gets in at the moment, the rest have been ropey on and off all season) and we clearly need a decent centre forward. Willian and Pedro will do for this season, but beyond next season we need decent replacements in several positions, but don't expect seismic movements in January.

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It's my assessment that it's not just Alonso that's poor the whole fucking team is apart from Hazard.

Our 2nd half display against manure just confirmed to me we're a one man team, the rest are just average at best, god forbid Hazard gets injured we've got no one with any flair or imagination.

The whole fucking lot of them need a overhaul.

In with a chance of the league title the pundits say, don't make me laugh! we're going to struggle the even finish 4th with this lot, so don't apportion all the blame on Alonso.

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6 minutes ago, bigbluewillie said:

It's my assessment that it's not just Alonso that's poor the whole fucking team is apart from Hazard.

Our 2nd half display against manure just confirmed to me we're a one man team, the rest are just average at best, god forbid Hazard gets injured we've got no one with any flair or imagination.

The whole fucking lot of them need a overhaul.

In with a chance of the league title the pundits say, don't make me laugh! we're going to struggle the even finish 4th with this lot, so don't apportion all the blame on Alonso.

To be fair, Kepa, Rudiger, Jorginho, Kovavcic, and part-timers Barkley and Pedro have been pretty good, especially the first 3. Kante and Azpi have dropped off from last 3-4 years levels (although in Kante's case it is due to his struggling with a new role). The rest, absolutely I agree are either just not good enough or are playing poorly, or are simply too old. It is a massive issue, papered over by a really good start (we have been really lucky in a number of games where teams have missed multiple sitters).

We desperately need to go after Icardi (it is going to come down to us and RM), Dybala or maybe Piatek at striker, and also a truly impactful RW, with Bailey, Bernardeschi, Malcom (who is not all happy at Barca, as predicted), Christian Pulisic, Hirving Lozano, Suso, and David Neres being the best options, in that order.

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I agree with you totally, I want immediate response from Sarri, this is the wrong forum for this subject I know but got to start somewhere:D

FFS when fit put Ampadu in to replace Luiz, and get rid of Pedro and Willian and play Odoi on the right, i'm not sure about this 4-3-3 either I want the wee man back to his best position DMF, I say fuck it go 4-2-3-1

Kepa

Dave Ampadu Rudi Emerson

Wee Man Jorginho

Hazard Barkley Odoi

Giroud

I know we're still a team in transmission, but fucking hell come up against any one half decent at present and we're lost,

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3 minutes ago, bigbluewillie said:

I agree with you totally, I want immediate response from Sarri, this is the wrong forum for this subject I know but got to start somewhere:D

FFS when fit put Ampadu in to replace Luiz, and get rid of Pedro and Willian and play Odoi on the right, i'm not sure about this 4-3-3 either I want the wee man back to his best position DMF, I say fuck it go 4-2-3-1

Kepa

Dave Ampadu Rudi Emerson

Wee Man Jorginho

Hazard Barkley Odoi

Giroud

I know we're still a team in transmission, but fucking hell come up against any one half decent and we're lost,

Main issue with that is that Sarri will not change his system for shit. He is very stubborn that way. We either believe in him and it, and buy him players who fit in it or we start to prepare for the inevitable sacking when/if the wheels come off due injuries (probably caused by poor rotation/tired players), too many square pegs/round holes (Kante perhaps, plus Alonso, etc) big players/young prospects leaving (Hazard, CHO, RLC, AC, etc) and/or too many shit players/refusal to sell donkies (Morata, Drinkwater, Willian, Bakayoko, Moses etc etc etc).

I deal with medium to long term even horizons, not a game at a time. Game at a time thinking will quickly get us in serious trouble and also cashier our future.

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