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3. Marcos Alonso

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3 hours ago, Unionjack said:

Dont know whats considered the long haul but he shall soon be 29

As for slowing us down I look towards Eden also who still has the hold and dribble mentality instead of the quick pass. This slows us down also. No matter how much we might like watching them

I actually think his defensive sides picked up somewhat. And as Sarri says they are working on that part of his play I'm happy to keep the lad right now also considering the lack of potential realistic upgrades.

Serious question (as we have far more many options to replace Alonso at LB in next year or 2, say Alex Telles as realistic, Lucas Hernández as a pipedream shot).

Let's say nightmare scenario unfolds. Eden refuses to renew and demands to go to Real (whether we qualify for CL or not, for the sake of argument)

Who, on Real, would you demand to be included (if we do not straight out sell him) in a swap plus cash deal, Asensio or Vinícius Júnior?

I go for Vini, as he can play either wing, and secondary striker, plus is crazy young (just turned 18). Has the most upside of anyone on the whole RM squad.

We are so fucking stupid if we don't get either Vini, Asensio or Varane (pipe dream) out of the deal (if a deal happens)

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3 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Serious question (as we have far more many options to replace Alonso at LB in next year or 2, say Alex Telles as realistic, Lucas Hernández as a pipedream shot).

Let's say nightmare scenario unfolds. Eden refuses to renew and demands to go to Real (whether we qualify for CL or not, for the sake of argument)

Who, on Real, would you demand to be included (if we do not straight out sell him) in a swap plus cash deal, Asensio or Vinícius Júnior?

I go for Vini, as he can play either wing, and secondary striker, plus is crazy young (just turned 18). Has the most upside of anyone on the whole RM squad.

We are so fucked if we don't get either Vini, Asensio or Varane (pipe dream) out of the deal (if a deal happens)

I'd ask for Asensio and Mat K

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1 minute ago, Unionjack said:

I'd ask for Asensio and Mat K

Damn, I keep forgetting about Kovacic being only on loan, grrrr. That is a fucking fly in the custard, isn't it. FFS

All the big teams (and even some of the lesser but still talented) always seem to get us strapped over a barrel and ready for a keelhauling.:(

Oki, after that refinement. Would you straightaway accept an even swap, Hazard for Vini and Kovacic? Remember, we are will be in a bad position, given only 1 year left on Eden's contract. I do NOT see them giving up both Asensio and Kovacic for Hazard, given that and his age.

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6 hours ago, Vesper said:

Serious question (as we have far more many options to replace Alonso at LB in next year or 2, say Alex Telles as realistic, Lucas Hernández as a pipedream shot).

If we sold Alonso and wanted our new left back to play the exact same tactical role as Marcos, then the natural replacement would be Ryan Sessegnon.

9 minutes ago, manpe said:

Yup, I also can't understand the logic of playing him striker. It's not like shooting is the only skill necessary to play that position. The same way I cringe when people suggest Luiz to play attacking mid just because he's an eccentric defender.

Or people wanting Oscar to play in the double pivot because he was good at pressing high up :lol: 

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1 hour ago, Tomo said:

If we sold Alonso and wanted our new left back to play the exact same tactical role as Marcos, then the natural replacement would be Ryan Sessegnon.

Or people wanting Oscar to play in the double pivot because he was good at pressing high up :lol: 

Sessegnon is an interesting (and uber pricey) choice, but isn't he hellbent on being a winger/attacking MF? If he was our LB I would be over the moon.

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20 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Sessegnon is an interesting (and uber pricey) choice, but isn't he hellbent on being a winger/attacking MF? If he was our LB I would be over the moon.

He would cost a lot, but like with the Courtois/Kepa situation any Alonso sale would subsidize the fee if not cover it. He has been dropped for Schurrle and played at LB in the cup at Fulham this season, it wouldn't surprise me if he's back there full time before long.

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3 hours ago, Tomo said:

I'm sorry but that just won't work.

At left back he often creeps in unnoticed into the area and causes havoc that way, if he played CF he would have specialist CB's tasked with giving him special attention, it's a totally different ball game.

No pace, average link-up play and not the strongest at holding the ball either. Might even be worse than playing Torres upfront!

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4 hours ago, manpe said:

Yup, I also can't understand the logic of playing him striker. It's not like shooting is the only skill necessary to play that position. The same way I cringe when people suggest Luiz to play attacking mid just because he's an eccentric defender.

True on alonso, but that does not mean he cannot join in in attack if we are chasing a goal for ex.

Different case for Luiz though. He played many many games as a CM under Jose, and very good ones at that. Played tough away matches in that position with great success. Not exactly attacking mid, but he certainly showed qualities for that role. Reckon he did not want to pursue it because of Brazil, which was a mistake IMO.

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Think he played well for Spain. I think if he keeps playing well, Luis Enrique might use him as his first choice over Alba (didn’t even call him up) personally, I think defensively he can be more useful than Alba who for me has always been quite naive in that aspect of his game although he has real pace. Also Spain dropped off at times v England and even Enrique’s Barca they would sit off and soak up a bit of pressure. Also he adds more physicality, height and a good final delivery to the Spain team. Even if he weren’t to be first choice for Spain, they will be a lot more balanced under Enrique, interesting appointment. 

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On 10/09/2018 at 1:53 AM, OneMoSalah said:

Think he played well for Spain. I think if he keeps playing well, Luis Enrique might use him as his first choice over Alba (didn’t even call him up) personally, I think defensively he can be more useful than Alba who for me has always been quite naive in that aspect of his game although he has real pace. Also Spain dropped off at times v England and even Enrique’s Barca they would sit off and soak up a bit of pressure. Also he adds more physicality, height and a good final delivery to the Spain team. Even if he weren’t to be first choice for Spain, they will be a lot more balanced under Enrique, interesting appointment. 

José Gayá was an absolute terror at LB versus Croatia. Far better than Alonso was in the last game, I hate to say.

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9 hours ago, Vesper said:

José Gayá was an absolute terror at LB versus Croatia. Far better than Alonso was in the last game, I hate to say.

The reason I’d still prefer a LB who can provide width, pace going forward, ability to beat players and cross. Alonso being ‘good going forward’ is akin to him not really doing anything but popping up in the box at crucial moments.

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Was a shame he didn't get the assist for Willians goal as he did a good job but not sure Willian would have got the ball without that deflection eh

Chelsea star Marcos Alonso makes hilarious fantasy football jibe following Cardiff City win

Spaniard was not happy with the Fantasy Premier League after the win over Cardiff

 

https://www.football.london/chelsea-fc/players/chelsea-star-marcos-alonso-makes-15157828

 

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On 9/2/2018 at 0:01 PM, Vesper said:

I am NOT bashing Alonso, I am so glad he is playing well. I think we can win a shit tonne of games because of him (far more than he may cost us on the defensive end.) I just needed to put things into perspective. 

Been chatting here about the 'what if' whether RM will come for Alonso - and with him getting slower and older who is there to replace him

My initial choice Telles is also getting to that age and I would prefer someone who will grow along with the team and be around awhile,

Was thinking Alex Grimaldo  or Gaya??

Both Manc teams looked at him Grimaldo last summer and I know Benfica knocked Spuds this summer but think they only offered £25mill. And Mou wanted Gaya this year.

They are both very similar to Alonso only faster and are better defense wise. Noth great on the ball, good passesr and a wicked left foot for set pieces.

I like them both. What ya reckon?

 

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1 hour ago, Unionjack said:

Been chatting here about the 'what if' whether RM will come for Alonso - and with him getting slower and older who is there to replace him

My initial choice Telles is also getting to that age and I would prefer someone who will grow along with the team and be around awhile,

Was thinking Alex Grimaldo  or Gaya??

Both Manc teams looked at him Grimaldo last summer and I know Benfica knocked Spuds this summer but think they only offered £25mill. And Mou wanted Gaya this year.

They are both very similar to Alonso only faster and are better defense wise. Noth great on the ball, good passesr and a wicked left foot for set pieces.

I like them both. What ya reckon?

 

He is only 27 pal.

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Sell him this summer. Perfect time. We would make a profit at his peak when the only way is down for him. He's not getting better defensively. 

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