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3. Marcos Alonso

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14 minutes ago, Miguelito said:

I definitely disagree with that.

I think that he often just has a lot of time and space when he gets the ball. He always makes the simple pass either to a center mid or to Luiz or to Alonso on the left. That's about it. But when he doesn't have that space to dribble the ball into or the time to make simplest of passes, he greatly struggles. If he is under any type of pressure he often boots it away, he definitely isn't calm in those situations. There are times and every single game where he should be keeping the ball, but is not comfortable enough to do so.

There's also times where he needs to make a more advancing pass, but he only makes the simple short pass because that is what he's comfortable with and is able to do. He really limits us in possession

Well I guess we see two different things. I find him composed all the time and never chooses the easy option, he uses the ball well to find a player and if necessary kicks it out. When AVB signed him, this was a particular set of skills that he picked out about Cahill that suits his style of football because he described him a very good, ball playing defender. That is also a big reason why I think Conte persists with all three defenders at CB as they all have the ability to used the ball effectively. He don't have the passing skills of Luiz or possession skills but imo he is very comfortable on the ball.

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Thought he and Moses were both superb going forward today. It really is such an advantage playing this formation when we attack. Teams can't deal with it in most cases.

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1 hour ago, Miguelito said:

I definitely disagree with that.

I think that he often just has a lot of time and space when he gets the ball. He always makes the simple pass either to a center mid or to Luiz or to Alonso on the left. That's about it. But when he doesn't have that space to dribble the ball into or the time to make simplest of passes, he greatly struggles. If he is under any type of pressure he often boots it away, he definitely isn't calm in those situations. There are times and every single game where he should be keeping the ball, but is not comfortable enough to do so.

There's also times where he needs to make a more advancing pass, but he only makes the simple short pass because that is what he's comfortable with and is able to do. He really limits us in possession

Agree 100% with you on Cahill.

suggest that we spell out the name of the player in discussion esp when off-topic (to avoid confusion).

anyone can carry the football without being contested esp professional players, but real technique is needed when in tight spaces.

alonso has excellent technique and ball control. Most diff attribute to improve. The rest he can improve on, esp composure. However, as a tall player and due to his build, he will never be pacey.

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I was delighted to see him score from that FK.  Not just for the 3 points in the bag, but he's hit a couple of crackers this season that were denied by the bar (GK completely beaten).  I'm glad he finally got his.

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A mate of mine last night said he didn't rate Alonso and that he still hasn't found his feet in the team yet. I disagree. I think he's done what he was put into the team to do. However, I still believe we should have gone for a Rodriguez or Gaya. 

BUT...I'm all about Alonso and the free kick last night was amazing. Well played.

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Again he is showing that extra quality, IMO he has all the chances to be our first choice LWB next season.

His technique and composure are unbelievably good for fullback, Conte realy nailed it with this transfer.

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On 4/9/2017 at 6:24 AM, itsbeauj said:

A mate of mine last night said he didn't rate Alonso and that he still hasn't found his feet in the team yet. I disagree. I think he's done what he was put into the team to do. However, I still believe we should have gone for a Rodriguez or Gaya. 

BUT...I'm all about Alonso and the free kick last night was amazing. Well played.

Alonso is arguably better than both. If you said, Ghoulam or Kolasinac, I'd agree, but we made a fantastic choice.

 

Not ideal, but a fantastic player to have. If we end up signing someone world class at LWB and keeping him, it would be the ideal scenario.

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5 hours ago, LondonsFinest said:

Alonso is arguably better than both. If you said, Ghoulam or Kolasinac, I'd agree, but we made a fantastic choice.

 

Not ideal, but a fantastic player to have. If we end up signing someone world class at LWB and keeping him, it would be the ideal scenario.

One thing I can say is that Alonso is certainly better than both Gaya and Rodriguez. Especially Rodriguez who's severely overrated because he has a decent left foot. 

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Rodriguez and Wolfsburg, all in all, have a really bad season and are actually fighting at the bottom of the Bundesliga. Also, he has played more matches as CB this season, than as a LB, strangely for me. Moreover, he is having an injury right now and will be missed untill next month, probably. No point in having him as a target.


I'm actually happy with Alonso right now, I was sceptical at first with him, but he is doing good at LWB spot. I agree that we can look at improving this spot, as European football is coming next season and there will be more matches more competitions. But actually, I don't have an idea if there is someone available and worth buying in the market right now.
Give Kenedy a chance in the summer at LWB, he might actually do well there and have him also as an option for the next season.

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8 hours ago, The Skipper said:

One thing I can say is that Alonso is certainly better than both Gaya and Rodriguez. Especially Rodriguez who's severely overrated because he has a decent left foot. 

My Grandma is faster than Rodriguez. No wonder that he didn't leave Wolfsburg yet.

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21 hours ago, The Skipper said:

One thing I can say is that Alonso is certainly better than both Gaya and Rodriguez. Especially Rodriguez who's severely overrated because he has a decent left foot. 

Rodriguez proved to be massive one season wonder. Unfortunately. Looked fantastic that wonder season at Wolfsburg, but he has been above average ever since. He needs too much defensive protection behind him. He'd do work, if he has people behind him, but except his crossing, he doesn't look better than Alonso. 

Gaya's hype is reasonable, but I think it came too soon.

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15 minutes ago, LondonsFinest said:

Rodriguez proved to be massive one season wonder. Unfortunately. Looked fantastic that wonder season at Wolfsburg, but he has been above average ever since. He needs too much defensive protection behind him. He'd do work, if he has people behind him, but except his crossing, he doesn't look better than Alonso. 

Gaya's hype is reasonable, but I think it came too soon.

Tbf, it was two seasons (13/14+14/15) and a brilliant World Cup in between as well. Can't say I've been impressed in the past two seasons. Shame, really.

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On 10/04/2017 at 10:08 PM, King11Didier said:

Rodriguez and Wolfsburg, all in all, have a really bad season and are actually fighting at the bottom of the Bundesliga. Also, he has played more matches as CB this season, than as a LB, strangely for me. Moreover, he is having an injury right now and will be missed untill next month, probably. No point in having him as a target.


I'm actually happy with Alonso right now, I was sceptical at first with him, but he is doing good at LWB spot. I agree that we can look at improving this spot, as European football is coming next season and there will be more matches more competitions. But actually, I don't have an idea if there is someone available and worth buying in the market right now.
Give Kenedy a chance in the summer at LWB, he might actually do well there and have him also as an option for the next season.

I think Kennedy has more chance to make it as a pure LB, rather than as an LWB. A vanishingly small chance, but more of a chance all the same. 

What people see as Kennedy's potential to bomb down the wing, causes them to get hopeful that he is a possibile LWB but I don't agree. It's a valuable trait for an LWB to be sure but he lacks possession skills which are far more important. In any case, his ability to pose a serious threat from the left hasn't yet moved beyond mere potential.

The very reasons which made me believe all along that that Marcos could help us, make me feel that Kennedy cannot.

As for Rodriguez, I've never understood what people see in him.

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On 16. 4. 2017 at 8:03 PM, BlueLion. said:

You know we're shit when we miss Marcos Alonso...

Alonso is a great player. He is great Wing-back, has great chemistry with Hazard and it's obvious that we were struggling to create chances with Azpi or Moses on that left side. Not every great player is fast and explosive. 

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