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MrBlueGuy

Next Manager?

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24 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

Emenalo didn't just rock up as technical director at the club either, he's not some JCL. He's been here since 2007 - he's worked his way up in that regards.

Worked his way up? Like that time when we sacked Butch and appointed this bloke as assistant first team coach?

Oh and the guy we didn't promote into that role - Paul Clement. It's a fucking joke mate.

6 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

Open question to the Emenalo detractors here: Apart from not having the relevant experiences,

Apologies for laughing at this part. So apart from not being qualified for the role....sorry, could you name one other job you'd use that sentence in? But why should Chelsea be run in a responsible manner? It's Roman's toy after all.

 

8 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

and not being Chels,

That's not uncommon nowadays.

 

8 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

what else has Emenalo done so badly in his role here? 

Please don't bring up this summer's transfer window either - you genuinely can't blame him for the club not being able to get in Stones and Pogba. Again, apart from the Papy signing, he (nor Mourinho for that matter) can't really be blamed for the below average summer. That responsibility falls on the board who failed to get those players. 

Don't mention part of his very short work history? So his job is to identify players, yet when the club (because they're all a shitshow) fail to get a ball-playing, young centre-half the best substitute he has is an untested bloke from the French leagues who is the complete opposite? OK, let's just ignore how this summer the quality of the squad went backwards under his watch.

The expectations for this guy were low and apparently we should give him credit for 'identifying' Mata as someone put it. That's a man who played in a World Cup Final and this guy 'identified' him? He has an immense scouting knowledge but beyond that we live in a world where a 12 year old can find out a wealth of knowledge about a player on google, read his stats on Football Manager (which is a remarkably comprehensive resource in some cases) and see footage of them on Youtube. Yet some will give him all the credit for his successes and put the blame for the failures on Jose or the board.

Fulham Broadway is right - the guy's fucking Teflon even at a point when we're in a complete mess with no idea of what type of players we should buy or what type of coach we should hire. 

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18 minutes ago, Ossie the King said:

That's not uncommon nowadays.

I genuinely can't be bothered debating with you because it seems that if I disagree with you about something that I'm not Chels. 

 

Sounds familiar. 

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38 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

He's only been technical director for 5 managers, two of them were interim and arguably none of them deserved to stay on as manager. Don't see why he's Teflon for that, he's been criticised in his role from day one. I don't think you're insinuating that he's been influential in those sackings. If so, how has he?

Open question to the Emenalo detractors here: Apart from not having the relevant experiences, and not being Chels, what else has Emenalo done so badly in his role here? 

Please don't bring up this summer's transfer window either - you genuinely can't blame him for the club not being able to get in Stones and Pogba. Again, apart from the Papy signing, he (nor Mourinho for that matter) can't really be blamed for the below average summer. That responsibility falls on the board who failed to get those players. 

Whos been criticising since day 1 ? and  hate to sound like Chels or something ;D  but he is a standing joke at the ground with fans.

Its not what has he done so badly,  more to the point what has he done ? No one knows. All we know is that a totally unqualified person 'bibs and cones' Grant,  recommended him to Abramovich and hes been here ever since, which according to most media is just to report back to the owner, ipso facto he could be implicated in telling tales.  Now whether thats true or not, someone like Arnesen is much better qualifiedto fill such an important role, so its strange one of the richest clubs in the world chooses a Technical Director  like Emanalo to have hanging around. Perhaps hes brilliant -but lets see the evidence.

Again I dont think anyone is blaming him for lack of transfers, but the flip side we cant credit him with any transfers either. The detractors are as bad/good as the Emanalo fans, but to my mind a Technical director vacancy at one of the elite clubs should be filled by someone of exceptional calibre, rather than the mate of a mate

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1 hour ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Whos been criticising since day 1 ? and  hate to sound like Chels or something ;D  but he is a standing joke at the ground with fans.

Its not what has he done so badly,  more to the point what has he done ? No one knows. All we know is that a totally unqualified person 'bibs and cones' Grant,  recommended him to Abramovich and hes been here ever since, which according to most media is just to report back to the owner, ipso facto he could be implicated in telling tales.  Now whether thats true or not, someone like Arnesen is much better qualifiedto fill such an important role, so its strange one of the richest clubs in the world chooses a Technical Director  like Emanalo to have hanging around. Perhaps hes brilliant -but lets see the evidence.

Again I dont think anyone is blaming him for lack of transfers, but the flip side we cant credit him with any transfers either. The detractors are as bad/good as the Emanalo fans, but to my mind a Technical director vacancy at one of the elite clubs should be filled by someone of exceptional calibre, rather than the mate of a mate

That's a fair argument which I completely understand. I also know that he's vilified all the time at the ground, from the discussions I've had myself at the Bridge with fellow fans.

I'm not an Emenalo fan per se, I just think that the criticism he gets is misplaced anger, fans are looking for someone to blame and it falls on him. Not saying he isn't blameless, but some will have you think that we're in the predicament we are now because of Emenalo. 

Blame Roman for not hiring someone with more prestige. 

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6 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

That's a fair argument which I completely understand. I also know that he's vilified all the time at the ground, from the discussions I've had myself at the Bridge with fellow fans it's 

I'm not an Emenalo fan per se, I just think that the criticism he gets is misplaced anger, fans are looking for someone to blame and it falls on him. Not saying he isn't blameless, but some will have you think that we're in the predicament we are now because of Emenalo. 

Blame Roman for not hiring someone with more prestige. 

Well it could be a good move .Arnesen -kakuta, kalou, Malouda, Mikel, Bertrand, Sturridge, Stoch, Borini, Bruma, Matic, Bertrand v The ex Notts County Defender Man of Mystery

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How on earth can someone want Simeone OR Guardiola? Those two are completely contradictory in Football philosophies, makes no sense how people would want both of them.

I don't want to see Simeone anywhere near us. We're at a stage where we have to choose what path we want to take, either we're gonna be be an attacking side or a physical, counter-attacking one. The latter for me is not suited for long term as it burns players out and generally proved to not be successful for the long term.

Personally I hate to see my team playing like a small side. 

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20 minutes ago, Hybrid Angel said:

How on earth can someone want Simeone OR Guardiola? Those two are completely contradictory in Football philosophies, makes no sense how people would want either one of them.

I don't want to see Simeone anywhere near us. We're at a stage where we have to choose what path we want to take, either we're gonna be be an attacking side or a physical, counter-attacking one. The latter for me is not suited for long term as it burns players out and generally proved to not be successful for the long term.

Personally I hate to see my team playing like a small side. 

The problem is: which coach is available besides Guardiola who could actually bring that style of play to our side?! I dont see any of them. And Guardiola to City is done and busted, I think everyone knows that.

Conte could be another option to bring in, but tbh his work for Italia isnt very impressive and he failed with Juve in the UCL. Futhermore has no experience in the english league and I could see him flop badly.

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5 hours ago, Toli said:

The problem is: which coach is available besides Guardiola who could actually bring that style of play to our side?! I dont see any of them. And Guardiola to City is done and busted, I think everyone knows that.

Conte could be another option to bring in, but tbh his work for Italia isnt very impressive and he failed with Juve in the UCL. Futhermore has no experience in the english league and I could see him flop badly.

The coach of chile?

Pellegrini?

Emery?

Koeman?

Hiddink long term?

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14 hours ago, LDN Blue said:

Man we should do what Real Madrid and Man United are doing. Find someone young, maybe has just come out the game, and let him be an assistant to whoever we hire.

Maybe that's what we're going to do with Drogba, perhaps he will be our Zidane or Giggs. We should talk to John Terry also in the contract negotiations, tell him he'll get an extension but in a dual role.

We talk about wanting heart, leaders, people who try and don't fall out with the dressing room? John Terry is that guy. He's probably doing some badges anyway. As long as he stays away from his players' mrs' he'll be okay :D

It is time that Chelsea starts using him in a Coach-Player role starting next season... despite the fact that he still the mainstay in the back 4 but we need to start looking beyond him starting from next ... He is the one with heart, passion and leadership quality (as you mentioned)  ... I feel he would be a better manager than Drogba. 

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Guardiola saga (where's he upto) is going to be similar to the Hazard saga ... only difference would be that he will end up at City ... 

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A source very close to Guardiola said: “His representatives have received formal calls from City and United. And they have said no to Chelsea, who also called, and turned down Milan and Paris Saint-Germain.

“Right now, it is true City are very close and his most likely destination.

“But he has never hidden his huge admiration for Manchester United and also the fact he would love to work there.

“All the options are on the table and no definitive decision has been made.

“And yes, though it’s unlikely at this stage, even Arsenal are an option. But they’ve not made a formal call, though they have inquired about Pep’s situation.”

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/6841862/Pep-Guardiola-set-to-stun-Man-Utd-by-taking-over-City.html

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1 hour ago, stroey said:

A source very close to Guardiola said: “His representatives have received formal calls from City and United. And they have said no to Chelsea, who also called, and turned down Milan and Paris Saint-Germain.

“Right now, it is true City are very close and his most likely destination.

“But he has never hidden his huge admiration for Manchester United and also the fact he would love to work there.

“All the options are on the table and no definitive decision has been made.

“And yes, though it’s unlikely at this stage, even Arsenal are an option. But they’ve not made a formal call, though they have inquired about Pep’s situation.”

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/6841862/Pep-Guardiola-set-to-stun-Man-Utd-by-taking-over-City.html

that's sad, not because he turned us down but because we have no one else to turn to right now... this isn't surprising at all.. to to his credit, Jose came back when everybody else who's somebody wouldn't even consider coming anywhere near us with a gas mask on. 

I don't really see how Chelsea would come out of this sink hole .... :(

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28 minutes ago, ZOS said:

that's sad, not because he turned us down but because we have no one else to turn to right now... this isn't surprising at all.. to to his credit, Jose came back when everybody else who's somebody wouldn't even consider coming anywhere near us with a gas mask on. 

I don't really see how Chelsea would come out of this sink hole .... :(

We will be fine, if we dropped out in 2012 we would have been in shit because the squad wasn't very good, now despite this shitstorm, we do have quality in this squad and if we can keep these players together and add well, we can defiantly recover next season, especially if we can finish in or around the top of the league table from when Hiddink came in onwards.

Take the Palace game for example, was better than any display in 10/11, 11/12 or 12/13, this squad is still capable.

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I am not a fan of the bloke by any means he's certainly someone who it's hard to warm to but this is from the Guardian's daily email the fiver. 

 

Rafa Benítez won two La Liga titles and a Euro Vase at Valencia; orchestrated the most astonishing Big Cup win in history for the benefit of Liverpool; triumphed in the most exciting FA Cup final of the modern era; knocked Barcelona out of Big Cup on their own patch using players primarily interested in battering seven shades out of each other with golf clubs; became a world champion; and most impressively of all won a European trophy for Chelsea, a feat wholly beyond the ken of a certain other Iberian tactician who didn’t have to cope with the added pressure of 41,798 punters screaming eff, cee and effing cee at him every 12 seconds while he was trying to concentrate on his job.

But despite it all, poor old Rafa never seems to get any respect. As well as having to put up with 41,798 punters screaming eff, cee and effing cee at him every 12 seconds while he was trying to concentrate on his job, he’s also repeatedly got it in the neck as a result of being a bit defensive; for not being very good at media patter; for once coming second best in the old mind games with Lord Ferg, a failure which puts him in an exclusive club known as Everyone; for looking at Him in a funny way; and for not having a similar body mass index to Keith Richards that time the Rolling Stones guitarist stayed awake for the entirety of 1972.

It’s not much of a rap sheet, when you look at it dispassionately. But it’s been enough to get him the heave-ho from Real Madrid, who are burning through managers at such a rate that Sam Allardyce is statistically almost certain to be offered the chance he’s been dreaming of in March 2017, just after Leicester City put the Spanish giants out of Big Cup quarter-finals 5-0 on aggregate

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We should go all out for Ancelloti and stop playing around. 

If we want good football and trophies combined get him. As Guardiola is not a certain target, what other attacking and high calibre managers are left? Allegri? Blanc? German coach Joakim low? Chile coach?? 

There's not many, but Ancelloti is proven so I don't know why we've become so unserious in this matter. Fight bayern for him, money for money, at least it's easier than facing both city and manutd for Pep. Unless we're planning on giving Hiddink the full time manager role. 

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3 minutes ago, kellzfresh said:

We should go all out for Ancelloti and stop playing around. 

If we want good football and trophies combined get him. As Guardiola is not a certain target, what other attacking and high calibre managers are left? Allegri? Blanc? German coach Joakim low? Chile coach?? 

There's not many, but Ancelloti is proven so I don't know why we've become so unserious in this matter. Unless we're planning on giving Hiddink the full time manager role. 

Ancelotti has already agreed to take over from Guardiola at Bayern.

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4 minutes ago, Thendo said:

Ancelotti has already agreed to take over from Guardiola at Bayern.

I know it's been stated, but I don't know if there was any contract signed. But if there's no contract we should hijack the deal. Unless we want to manage pellegrini after city dump him

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6 minutes ago, kellzfresh said:

I know it's been stated, but I don't know if there was any contract signed. But if there's no contract we should hijack the deal. Unless we want to manage pellegrini after city dump him

https://twitter.com/MrAncelotti/status/678535273366581249

 

 

Edit: Btw anyone know if there is there a new way to embed tweets with the forum update? Doesn't seem to work by just posting the link to it.

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