Video Review System

[Viper22 2,418]

So what does everyone think of this then?

For anyone who doesn't know, the Dutch FA have been secretly (don't know how) trialling video review technology in Holland in the last 3 months. They have 2 ex-referees sitting (currently in a van near the stadium, but obviously could be moved to a neutral venue) watching the game with 8 screens. After a key decision is made, replays are played on the screens (different angle on each screen) and if the 2 people watching agree that the referee has made the wrong decision then they radio the referee and tell him so, so he can make the correct decision.

One of the main fears of this technology would be that the game would be slowed down by this technology but the Dutch FA have said that it took on average 3 seconds for the 2 people watching the replays to come to a decision which is not time at all.

As to how this will be implemented, they have 2 suggestions: 1 could be to do it in the format mentioned above, where everything continues as normal but if the referee makes a wrong decision the 2 people watching can overrule it and let him know so his mind can be changed. The other suggestion is to have 1 challenge per manager per half where the manager can throw a red flag onto the pitch to immediately stop the game after a key decision has gone against them and the referee will stop the game to review it.

The Dutch FA are filing for use of this technology in competitive games in the Dutch league and apparently Howard Webb and Mike Riley are travelling over there soon to see how it works with a view to implementing it in England in the near future.

What do you lot think? Obviously the first suggestion is far more exciting and doesn't seem to have that many issues (although i'm sure people will find holes in it).

Football moving out of the dark ages, who would have thought it 2 years ago? I think it's a great idea and long overdue after the recent refereeing howlers in nearly every game.

[iseah100 5,612]

I'm for it. Anything to improve the game. I think coaches should get challenges, like in NFL.

[Fernando 6,376]

They took me thoughts as I posted in another post:

I think it will be a disaster unless use in a minimalist way.

Like these two options:

1. Just have the 4th ref look the game through the video and communicate to the linesman via their headpiece if something is grossly wrong.

or

2. Do what Blatter said and have a challenge system.

However I'm against having too many challenges as that will kill the game.

If you get only 1, I repeat only ONE then it might do more good then harm.

We can survive with a little time off as we saw in the WC with "water breaks"

So for me technology is best in this sport is if used in a minimalist way.

Constantly stopping for reviewing is a no no.

Constantly stopping for a replay is a no no.

Only two options as I mentioned above, and thus the Dutch FA has made the right call in just giving feedback via the main ref headphone.

[boshman 1,073]

I think it is very dangerous to use technology in every situation. A lot of decisions in football are based on opinion. One man thinks it is a pen, the next man doesn't I can't see how 2 extra refs watching on tv screens can work. What if they both have a difference of opinion on a decision? What if they both advise the ref of a 'wrong' decision but the ref is adamant the decision he made is correct? It just won't work.

Now the appeal system I do like the sounds of. Like in cricket the Decision Review System was brought in to stop the 'howler'. I think 1 appeal a match for a manager for any howler against his team. A blatant handball or sending off. Or even if a pen has been given against his side but the player dived. More than 1 review and you could start getting appeals for everything. I think it should be kept to a minimum.

[Fulham Broadway 16,392]

It would be good to cut out diving possibly, but it could also be the thin end of the wedge.

The next logical step would be everything monitored, as with cctv in society at large. Eventually every nudge off the ball, every infringement, would be eradicated. Corners for instance would be transformed into a near enough contact less sport.

It aint broke so dont fix it . I am sure the Dutch have good intentions but let them stick to what they do best, total football, soft drugs and hardcore pornography.

[Madmax 9,219]

I like the idea of one review per side. Cricket has a much slower tempo to it so it's not the best example but I've seen the review system work well in field hockey, which is an even more frantic and breathless game than football. If it stamps out the absolute shockers (Chamberlain's sending off against us last year springs to mind) then the game will be better for it.

[Viper22 2,418]

It would be good to cut out diving possibly, but it could also be the thin end of the wedge.

The next logical step would be everything monitored, as with cctv in society at large. Eventually every nudge off the ball, every infringement, would be eradicated. Corners for instance would be transformed into a near enough contact less sport.

It aint broke so dont fix it . I am sure the Dutch have good intentions but let them stick to what they do best, total football, soft drugs and hardcore pornography.

But that's the thing though, it is broken. I understand that some people like controversy and everything but how can you watch this:

Along with the woeful decision in the Newcastle vs City game not to give a penalty for Obertan against Kolarov. No-one likes feeling cheated and if refs aren't capable enough (they're showing they're not) then we need video technology to help them.

[Fernando 6,376]

But that's the thing though, it is broken. I understand that some people like controversy and everything but how can you watch this:

Along with the woeful decision in the Newcastle vs City game not to give a penalty for Obertan against Kolarov. No-one likes feeling cheated and if refs aren't capable enough (they're showing they're not) then we need video technology to help them.

As we seen with the goal line technology, it's great when it's being used in a minimalist way and the lease time consumption.

Those who are for it want it at any cost and those against it argue that it will stop the game a lot.

Yet I don't see those same people complain that goal line technology slows down the game.

Likewise with this, if it can be done in a minimally way with little time consumption no one will eventually care.

Therefore the 4th ref looking at everything via video and then telling the main ref on the pitch via his headset is the best option.

A challenge is not that great as that will stop the game a lot more.

It's the least one I want but as mentioned if it must happen then just one challenge for the entire game. Only one.

[Fulham Broadway 16,392]

But that's the thing though, it is broken. I understand that some people like controversy and everything but how can you watch this:

Along with the woeful decision in the Newcastle vs City game not to give a penalty for Obertan against Kolarov. No-one likes feeling cheated and if refs aren't capable enough (they're showing they're not) then we need video technology to help them.

Yeah was fuming at that as have at countless decisionss over the years. By the same token I admit to being sneakily happy when Carvalho impeded the keeper against Barca allowing JT to score the winner unseen by the ref. Swings and roundabouts. What youre advocating, if we're talking about corners for example, would result in a contact free set piece. Players would be reluctant to put in the slightest challenge for fear of retrospective retribution in terms of trial by cctv. On the other hand corners are ridiculous atm, every one should result in about four penalties

[The_Flash 1,144]

I have been saying it for years now that a similar idea to the video ref in rugby should be put into place. It takes two seconds to check a 'controversial' decision and get the right decision. So many teams not just Chelsea have lost points, games, trophies the lot over some frankly shocking decisions.

Literally a two second look at that WWE wrestling that John and Branislav had to endure and Utd could have had two red cards and that was a stone wall penalty. EITHER OF THEM.

Yet nothing happens and it's Branislav that gets send off eventually and thus within seconds they get an undeserved result. Completely engineered result.

But they don't want it in football it would eradicate 'match fixing' which I am sorry so many ref are clearly doing. That ref completely engineered that result for Utd and it's not the first time, a few decent refereeing performances we would have won the league last year.

If they had someone stopping to show the true result, they are already raging that goal line technology got introduced as many a game I remember it was a goal and was chalked off.

[Madmax 9,219]

A challenge is not that great as that will stop the game a lot more.

Nope, it won't. At maximum a minute for each challenge - that's 2 mins in 90, and they'll be added back anyway. It's not as if right now play resumes as soon as the ref has given his decision; people crowd around and moan, which takes way more time.

[zolayes 14,489]

problem is with corners no offence is considered until the ball comes into play .

change so that an offence can be called when the ball is placed for the corner

[Fernando 6,376]

Video technology trials given go-ahead by IFAB as football laws are changed

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10192598/video-technology-trials-given-go-ahead-by-ifab-as-football-laws-are-changed

 

 

IFAB approves video assistance trials, change to 'triple punishment'

http://www.espnfc.us/blog/fifa/243/post/2822173/ifab-approves-in-game-video-assistance-trials

[Fernando 6,376]

IFAB agrees to introduce experiments with video assistant referees

http://www.fifa.com/about-fifa/news/y=2016/m=3/news=ifab-agrees-to-introduce-experiments-with-video-assistant-referees-2768643.html?intcmp=fifacom_hp_module_news

 

How this will look:

http://quality.fifa.com/en/VAR/

[Unionjack 7,531]

Im all for it for major decisions just as long as it doesn't get over used for trivial shit.

[Fernando 6,376]

6 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

Im all for it for major decisions just as long as it doesn't get over used for trivial shit.

Yes and that's what they want to avoid. 

Which I agree, it's a waste of time for every small thing.

The ones that will be review are game changing decision, which I agree. As the players and managers spend more time arguing with that controversial decision and it screws up the game. 

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

It's total bollocks all that F.I.F.A are worried about that if there's a bad decision in a game that it could result in a lawsuit. If there's a offside goal so what fucking live with it this is football where human error is part and parcel of the game. Football is so over anaylsed these days it gets blanket coverage and so every decision good or bad gets massive scrutiny. Let the polite middle class sports of rugby and cricket use these video review systems football should avoid it at all costs.

[Unionjack 7,531]

3 hours ago, Iggy Doonican said:

It's total bollocks all that F.I.F.A are worried about that if there's a bad decision in a game that it could result in a lawsuit. If there's a offside goal so what fucking live with it this is football where human error is part and parcel of the game. Football is so over anaylsed these days it gets blanket coverage and so every decision good or bad gets massive scrutiny. Let the polite middle class sports of rugby and cricket use these video review systems football should avoid it at all costs.

I do agree with you mate about it getting over analyzed but theres such alot of problems concerning refereeing decisions I think this wouldbe worth while.  I know bad mistakes are part of the game and its swings n roundabouts but that doesnt make it right.

That fuckin 'goal' of Garcias has wound me up ever since and Ive hated the Fat Spanish Wanker since then lol