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19. Diego Costa

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On 17/04/2017 at 7:28 AM, Jason said:

If you think this is all about Costa's form in the last two months, then you're sorely mistaken. When a striker isn't scoring the goals, the least you want to see is him putting in the effort, helping the team to win matches etc. But Costa is doing neither of them - he isn't scoring goals (only 3 in the league in 2017, compared to 14 in the first half of the season) and he isn't contributing to our goals or our play in general - he can't make simple passes, he's making the wrong decisions etc. If that wasn't bad enough - this is what frustrates people most - Costa has reverted to his petulant behavior. Rather than trying to rediscover his goalscoring form, his performances, he's gone back to being more interested in fighting with players, drawing attention to negative attention to himself and the team on the pitch. And this isn't something we see happening all of a sudden. It's the same thing that we saw in 2014/15 and 2015/16. Are we really just going to sit down here and indulge in this behavior? Are we going to be okay with Costa turning up in the first half of the season and then going AWOL in the second (it's happened in previous seasons too)?

 

Is this what we've reduced ourselves to? Isn't this what people did with Torres? When he wasn't scoring the goals, people resorted to praising him for doing the smallest of things well, just like what you did with Costa. We are a top club going for titles, not some lesser teams being okay with mid table positions. How can you genuinely be okay with him just winning free kicks etc? You said it's bad that people want him gone because of two months of poor form but isn't it bad too that you're using the Bournemouth game - where he totally mishit the shot for the first goal and won just a free kick - to justify your reasoning of why he shouldn't be sold? It's almost the 'clutching at straws' argument people used for Torres when he was here.

I just think people should calm down and look at whole thing from bigger perspective. 

Form goes up and down. A player who is shit now can be great later, and vice versa. Seen with Eden, seen with many other players. 

Costa is like I said in awful form, and its terrible to watch him like that. He destroys most of our attacks. But compare him to Torres is a joke, still. Torres was bang average every season. Costa might be shit for two months, but that doesnt change the fact he is big big reason for almost two PL titles in 3 years. I only mentioned burnemouth game because people said he doesnt contribute anything at all. Sure I want him to show more than just winning a free kick. 

But he has been one of top 5 players this season too. Thats why I think all this talk of him being sold and being disrespected is nonsense. Because he might stay here and come back with a bang again, who knows. He certainly has the quality. 

He is questionable character, a very unstable player and again I agreed for our club longterm, getting someone more stable would be good.

All that said, he might not like life in london and will leave. That means we will need to find a replacement. 

Now hear this out, people talk of Lukaku and others, saying that when they are at their worst they still contribute more than Costa. A shit Lukaku is better than shit Costa. 

Then some come up with consistency? Well, Defoe is more consistent than Costa, doesnt mean we should be signing him.

But is that realy what we want? That is as idiotic as it gets.

We should target a striker that at his best is better than Costa is at his best.

Now have a good luck finding that striker that might join us this summer. 

After all Costa is still a character and leader in a way that we as fans dont see. 

Sure we can sell Costa. And whoever we sign wont be that crap Costa is right now. But the real question is can he be as good as pre january Costa? My friend Belotti and Lukaku can score 40 goals, that means fuckall compared to fact that Costa was our best player in a Chelsea shirt. 

Bottom line, I dont disagree Costa should be sold in summer, but he should be shown more respect and everyone with too much Fifa on their hand expecting Lukaku or whoever to be our perfect striker are in for a surprise. Real football is not all black and white. 

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5 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

I just think people should calm down and look at whole thing from bigger perspective. 

Form goes up and down. A player who is shit now can be great later, and vice versa. Seen with Eden, seen with many other players. 

Costa is like I said in awful form, and its terrible to watch him like that. He destroys most of our attacks. But compare him to Torres is a joke, still. Torres was bang average every season. Costa might be shit for two months, but that doesnt change the fact he is big big reason for almost two PL titles in 3 years. I only mentioned burnemouth game because people said he doesnt contribute anything at all. Sure I want him to show more than just winning a free kick. 

But he has been one of top 5 players this season too. Thats why I think all this talk of him being sold and being disrespected is nonsense. Because he might stay here and come back with a bang again, who knows. He certainly has the quality. 

No, you're still missing the point and not looking from a bigger perspective.

Yes, players suffer dip in form and Costa is no different but this isn't just about his form. It's also about his attitude, his behavior and his mindset. We can excuse Costa's poor form if he's still contributing to the team, trying to help the team in a different way etc. But what has he done or is doing to try and regain his form? He's more like the bad Costa in recent weeks - fighting with opposing players, trying to con the referee into giving fouls (no wonder we don't get many decisions), more interested in creating headlines for the wrong reasons than the right ones. Costa is a key part to our attacking game and given that we're currently having a wobble, we can't afford to be playing with 10 men, with Costa more interested in doing the things that he shouldn't be doing out there on the pitch. And here's more on why people are beyond frustrated with Costa and want him gone.

On 4/17/2017 at 9:32 PM, manpe said:

He is not good at counter-attacks with his shit decisions and passes, above stats prove he is hopeless at keeping possession. What is his function exactly when not scoring? To jog around when their defence have the ball and not do anything else? So far he's had a full shit season (15/16), a great half a season and a horrible 2nd half of a season. 5-6 months of good form versus 13-14 months of incompetence. I was an avid Costa defender before now but his recent slump has taken too long to the point it's endangering our standing. A truly world class striker shows flashes of his quality even when down and contributes in some ways, you watch and you feel he's gonna return to his true level. With Costa now, I have a feeling that even if he returns to his purple patch some day it's not gonna last long and we will have to carry him the rest of the time. When he's out of form you realize how horrible footballer he is, when he's in form you see he can be a deadly striker.

 

On 4/17/2017 at 9:56 PM, The Skipper said:

He looks a completely different player at the moment. Costa on form is a great striker but history has shown that he often goes missing in the second half of the season. Now, it's never been as bad as it has been this season, even last season he was much better than this in the second half of the season, but that's not the main problem for me. 

He is clearly playing like he doesn't have a future here. He doesn't want to be here. He's way too unreliable. Because of this, our title challenge can potentially be sabotaged. His performance against Crystal Palace sums it up perfectly - the team created chances at will for him but he was almost just like a black hole. I don't want a player with all these issues to be the undisputed #9 at this club. We deserve much better. 

My problem with Costa isn't that he is a bad player, his form at different parts of his Chelsea career clearly state otherwise. My problem is that he doesn't want to be here. It's very evident to me that he doesn't. Costa is a 'heart on his sleeve' type of person, you can quite clearly see his emotions/state of mind. We can't continue to rely on a volatile player like this, especially if there's a £90m offer waiting in the wings. We'd be absolutely idiotic not to take it. 

Honestly, wish we sold him in January now. 

As for the comparison with Torres, it sounds silly but if you put the goalscoring feat aside, is Costa really doing any better now than Torres when he was here? One was extremely frustrating. The other is frustrating fans till no end right now. One was a liability, was doing next to nothing on the pitch and was making us playing like with 10 men. The other is doing all those right now with his bad attitude, behavior (to put it kindly).

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9 hours ago, Jason said:

No, you're still missing the point and not looking from a bigger perspective.

Yes, players suffer dip in form and Costa is no different but this isn't just about his form. It's also about his attitude, his behavior and his mindset. We can excuse Costa's poor form if he's still contributing to the team, trying to help the team in a different way etc. But what has he done or is doing to try and regain his form? He's more like the bad Costa in recent weeks - fighting with opposing players, trying to con the referee into giving fouls (no wonder we don't get many decisions), more interested in creating headlines for the wrong reasons than the right ones. Costa is a key part to our attacking game and given that we're currently having a wobble, we can't afford to be playing with 10 men, with Costa more interested in doing the things that he shouldn't be doing out there on the pitch. And here's more on why people are beyond frustrated with Costa and want him gone.

 

As for the comparison with Torres, it sounds silly but if you put the goalscoring feat aside, is Costa really doing any better now than Torres when he was here? One was extremely frustrating. The other is frustrating fans till no end right now. One was a liability, was doing next to nothing on the pitch and was making us playing like with 10 men. The other is doing all those right now with his bad attitude, behavior (to put it kindly).

We knew what we were buying from the start. He was always this kind of character. 

And I dont remember strongly opposing the buy and advising to sell him when he was banging them goals.

Yes there were few members who disliked his character and advised to be eventualy sold, but that was a few. 

Now its the majority. How can you say it has nothing to do with form when its the only thing different than couple months ago. 

He was always like that, unstable and agressive, but he scored goals. Bar few no one wanted him gone. 

This thread turned against him in majority twice. First when those rumours about china came when neither realy knows the truth and secondly when his form dropped. Before that when he was scoring in almost every match and performed brilliantly, no one wanted to sell him bar 2 or 3 people. 

Two years ago, he was just like this. But he was scoring which is the difference. 

Dont say its got nothing with form. It got everything with form. If he turns up in style, people wont care if he is a dick, like they didnt before.

As for Torres comparison again, people sing Costa chants most as he is a cult hero here. Torres got nothing on him compared to that. "Put scoring abilty aside what does he contribute". Realy? Costa is a striker lol. His main thing is to score goals and he scored like 40 in 75 games before this slump of form. Here we go again, lets buy a striker who is good with ball, doesnt matter if he scores or not, as long he wont fuck up the attacks...There is Morata, a nearly perfect striker with ball control, but people will be like "he doesnt score enough". 

Costa admited he wanted to join Atletico in summer. Yet he performed brilliantly after that. This china thing is the same. Costa goes down every season in second half. 

Instead of getting a first choice striker to replace Costa, my question here is why we dont have a good enough backup that would be able to replace Diego when is plays so shit.

 

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DIEGO COSTA IN 2017 

Appearances: 12

Minutes played: 1077

Goals: 3 

Assists: 0

Bookings: 3

Minutes per goal: 359 

Premier League only, since January 1 

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22 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

We knew what we were buying from the start. He was always this kind of character. 

And I dont remember strongly opposing the buy and advising to sell him when he was banging them goals.

Yes there were few members who disliked his character and advised to be eventualy sold, but that was a few. 

Now its the majority. How can you say it has nothing to do with form when its the only thing different than couple months ago. 

He was always like that, unstable and agressive, but he scored goals. Bar few no one wanted him gone. 

This thread turned against him in majority twice. First when those rumours about china came when neither realy knows the truth and secondly when his form dropped. Before that when he was scoring in almost every match and performed brilliantly, no one wanted to sell him bar 2 or 3 people. 

Two years ago, he was just like this. But he was scoring which is the difference. 

Dont say its got nothing with form. It got everything with form. If he turns up in style, people wont care if he is a dick, like they didnt before.

As for Torres comparison again, people sing Costa chants most as he is a cult hero here. Torres got nothing on him compared to that. "Put scoring abilty aside what does he contribute". Realy? Costa is a striker lol. His main thing is to score goals and he scored like 40 in 75 games before this slump of form. Here we go again, lets buy a striker who is good with ball, doesnt matter if he scores or not, as long he wont fuck up the attacks...There is Morata, a nearly perfect striker with ball control, but people will be like "he doesnt score enough". 

Costa admited he wanted to join Atletico in summer. Yet he performed brilliantly after that. This china thing is the same. Costa goes down every season in second half. 

Instead of getting a first choice striker to replace Costa, my question here is why we dont have a good enough backup that would be able to replace Diego when is plays so shit.

 

Yes. Because we, silly us, thought that he will bang goals on more regular basis.

So the second part of 2014/15 came. And we thought, "oh, what the hell, he played great first half of season, he is often injured this season, suspended, he cannot always score... it will be improved, he cannot always be that inconsistent".

2015/16 came. And we thought; "oh, but the whole team is playing terrible, we cannot judge individual player".

2016/17 came. "Finally, we are playing great, no injuries for Costa, no suspensions, this will be his season!" - Didn't happen.

And now we are thinking: "He had enough time to prove himself, and, after 3 years, we know all about him. No, he will never get more consistent (as we thought in 2015), no, he will never improve."

Comparing his first year in club when we were happy about him because we had much less knowledge about him, and after three years is just irrelevant. This is not just some impulsive reaction to him playing bad. Nothing like that sh** with Hazard and some fans, that was rather impulsive and immature. This is real, this is our reality.

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If you are gonna be not good in the air, not good in the link up, not good dribbler, not particularly fast, not good passer, not good with your attitude, YOU MUST F**ING score 25 goals in season if you want to be considered top striker! Because goals are all you got! Without his goals, Diego is almost nothing, almost like having Inzaghi who doesn't score.

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3 hours ago, El P. said:

Yes. Because we, silly us, thought that he will bang goals on more regular basis.

So the second part of 2014/15 came. And we thought, "oh, what the hell, he played great first half of season, he is often injured this season, suspended, he cannot always score... it will be improved, he cannot always be that inconsistent".

2015/16 came. And we thought; "oh, but the whole team is playing terrible, we cannot judge individual player".

2016/17 came. "Finally, we are playing great, no injuries for Costa, no suspensions, this will be his season!" - Didn't happen.

And now we are thinking: "He had enough time to prove himself, and, after 3 years, we know all about him. No, he will never get more consistent (as we thought in 2015), no, he will never improve."

Comparing his first year in club when we were happy about him because we had much less knowledge about him, and after three years is just irrelevant. This is not just some impulsive reaction to him playing bad. Nothing like that sh** with Hazard and some fans, that was rather impulsive and immature. This is real, this is our reality.

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If you are gonna be not good in the air, not good in the link up, not good dribbler, not particularly fast, not good passer, not good with your attitude, YOU MUST F**ING score 25 goals in season if you want to be considered top striker! Because goals are all you got! Without his goals, Diego is almost nothing, almost like having Inzaghi who doesn't score.

Not to mention there will be constant doubts on whether he wants to actually be here. Keeping such a mercenary as your undisputed nr. 9 is a dangerous game.

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A fit and in shape Costa offers a physical and aggressive presence up top. Constant motion, working the channels, very quick to react to loose balls and makes threatening runs and taking up dangerous attacking positions. With his pace he also presents a problem for opposition defences when launched. While he's also the man to initiate the pressing game, and he does it pretty effectively. That's what makes him very useful outside of his goal-scoring.

But the problem with Costa is how he slows down as the season goes on. And I'm convinced I'm not imagining it. Currently he's a step slower, slower to react and he doesn't offer that energetic presence in attack. In this condition he's like Lukaku. Only exerts himself in bursts here and there. Simply low energy in energy. Lazy if you will. So when you don't score, you become an annoyance.

It was the same in 14/15. Don't think he has the body of a true athelete.

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On 16/04/2017 at 7:49 PM, marflow said:

We have beaten Leicester and Bournemouth 3-0 with Hazard-Pedro-Willian and played good attacking football. There is no excuse to continue to play Costa in this form atm.

This is what fascinates me.

Antonio watches every performance several times, and does so forensically. He sees what we see yet he continues to select Diego. There is a reason for it, and I'd love to be told the unfiltered truth about what it is.

I say "unfiltered" because public statements by managers are just as likely to be evasions as anything else. The boss may be telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, when he says, "Diego is playing well. He is doing what I want him to do, so I am pleased with his performance.", but it's hard to believe that is anything more than a manager defending his player as he always must.

In some ways it's easier to come up with a speculative explanation for Antonio's continued reliance on Diego. Many of us will have ideas about what's really going o. I certainly do but, in the end, I want to believe it's simply that the boss thinks the other options are worse. Unfortunately, that's not getting any easier to buy into.

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SSN breaking is that the Chinese club are planning on coming back for him in June when their transfer window opens. They will pay a massive amount for him and we will accept it, I guarantee it.

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With the landscape as it is, 100m to China is average & rational - so we can start higher. 150m. I think they'd go for it.

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Weird how as time moves on, it changes your perspective on things. January I was praying he was not going to have his turned as he was on fire and we needed him. Now, with a striker like Lukaku available albeit for a hefty price but who is younger and forever improving, I would rather this deal happen. He has been so off it and you can see how his head has been turned. Just total different player and total different attitude.

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If "crazy" transfer fee means the money that would cover the Lukaku & Sanchez deals (I assume it must be over 100m) then Chelsea would be crazy not to take it.

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1 hour ago, Stats said:

Weird how as time moves on, it changes your perspective on things. January I was praying he was not going to have his turned as he was on fire and we needed him. Now, with a striker like Lukaku available albeit for a hefty price but who is younger and forever improving, I would rather this deal happen. He has been so off it and you can see how his head has been turned. Just total different player and total different attitude.

I want Kylian Mbappe to replace Costa; he is already better then Lukaku. Younger and higher potential. 

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