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Special Juan

4. Cesc Fàbregas

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14 minutes ago, Jason said:

Wonder whether Fabregas is secretly pleased that Wenger didn't take up the option to buy him back 3 years ago. Has since won 2 league titles in 3 years with us after 0 in 8 years with Arsenal.

Cesc knows he made the right choice

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Matic more woeful than Fabregas defensively at this point and offers none of Cesc's attributes in attack. Cesc is also playing a hundred times better. Disgusting decision to bench Fabregas. Honestly feel gutted for him. What ever happened to meritocracy and all that.  

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3 hours ago, MrExcalibur100 said:

Matic more woeful than Fabregas defensively at this point and offers none of Cesc's attributes in attack. Cesc is also playing a hundred times better. Disgusting decision to bench Fabregas. Honestly feel gutted for him. What ever happened to meritocracy and all that.  

Tbh Cesc wasnt any better today. Misplaced passes, bad touch,...exactly the areas where he is good at, he was poor under pressure.

What we need is new CM, thats it.

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15 hours ago, MrExcalibur100 said:

Matic more woeful than Fabregas defensively at this point and offers none of Cesc's attributes in attack. Cesc is also playing a hundred times better. Disgusting decision to bench Fabregas. Honestly feel gutted for him. What ever happened to meritocracy and all that.  

Agreed - I said in the Matic thread that the only decision of Conte's that I disagreed with yesterday was Matic's inclusion ahead of Fabregas. Somebody, enlighten me - what can Matic do that Fabregas cannot; other than give the ball away in stupid areas?

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1 hour ago, BlueLion. said:

Agreed - I said in the Matic thread that the only decision of Conte's that I disagreed with yesterday was Matic's inclusion ahead of Fabregas. Somebody, enlighten me - what can Matic do that Fabregas cannot; other than give the ball away in stupid areas?

Matic covers more ground and closes down space better. That is honestly all i can come up with. I would pick Cesc 9/10 over Matic.

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We were high on confidence after winning the league vs. a team Cesc used to be synonymous with. A lot of managers, and I'd consider it too, simply drop players when emotional stakes are that high. I'm sure it reinforced Wenger's decision to leave Cech out too, the fact he'd be in a final, facing the team he loved and left, right as that team just crushed them in the league. Pressure. Unwelcome pressure.

It was maybe a move many of us disagree with. Sure. But it was a logical move. Plus, starting Fab would finally and only for the first time admit in clear black & white English to the player, 'Hey, Matic, you aren't that good.' The manager isn't allowed to do that. Not in a competition where we were undefeated, thus had no 'reason' to experiment. Only when we've been spanked or embarrassed do we then drop Matic and slide in Fabregas, because we can pretend its the 'team' and not just a horribly shit player causing us to stall.

Finally I imagine Fabregas thinks more than those around him, and that makes him twice as likely to buckle under pressure from his ex club, even if he's stayed strong before. Conte could presume that too.
You only become as good as Fab became at passing by being very in the head, but like Xavi/Iniesta and others, those who think the most, eventually, end up thinking too much. It's a fountain you're constantly adding drips of water/thought to, and there's no drain. All season long, layers and layers of water have been added to Fabregas's fountain. Thoughts and thoughts, emotions and emotions. And then these players end up 29/30 years old, suddenly thinking about investments/family business/private life in the middle of games. A point's been reached where football barely demands anything from them, usually because they're benched a lot. So there's a huge chance for that sharpness to be lost, just like in a boxer who goes from 2 fights a year to 1 fight every 5 years. He'll lose that focus in the ring he had. Because focus is habit, and Fabregas didn't have a season long enough to fully instil that focus. It left him after every good performance, because he never got a run of games where he could build it up. For as great as he was for 75% of his games this season, he still had games on par with his worst for Chelsea. I don't agree with Conte's decision, but I accept it, I think I get it. I think we would've won had we started Fabregas, just by chance, not logic. But that scenario takes a gambling man which perhaps Conte is not. Hence our XI's being as never-changing as Jose's.

Every manager has their own methods. And it's not like we lost because Matic played while Fabregas didn't. We lost because from Hazard to Costa to Kante to our full backs, we didn't act professionally. 

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He better not leave. 

Idk who's in charge of our transfers but boy this year is shaping up to be a terrible one. 

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2 hours ago, Chelsea? said:

He better not leave. 

Idk who's in charge of our transfers but boy this year is shaping up to be a terrible one. 

Why? We get baka, manage to get rid of the toxic one for good, bring back an epl proven one. No official bids for matic or f4 as of now. Still not good enough?

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29 minutes ago, mashimaru161 said:

Why? We get baka, manage to get rid of the toxic one for good, bring back an epl proven one. No official bids for matic or f4 as of now. Still not good enough?

We will be trying for the EPL and CL next year. Baka is not an assist guy like Cesc. Even if we bring in James, we still need someone that can sit deep like Cesc to be around cause he'll get plenty of game time this year. 

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1 minute ago, Chelsea? said:

We will be trying for the EPL and CL next year. Baka is not an assist guy like Cesc. Even if we bring in James, we still need someone that can sit deep like Cesc to be around cause he'll get plenty of game time this year. 

F4 has said many times he will stay to fight, conte seems fine with it, unless a silly money offer comes.

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Antonio Conte has told Cesc Fabregas, 30, that he is part of his plans at Stamford Bridge, with fellow midfielder Nemanja Matic, 28, more likely to be sold. (Daily Express)

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