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Jason

22. Willian

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10 minutes ago, Costa19 said:

Yeah. Can't belive how people can be mad at Sarri for saying he don't wanna lose Willian. It's like people think we can compete with only Hazard and Pedro as wingers since CHO probably will go. And then even if CHO stays we can't survive on only 3 wingers. We need Willian.

thats why malcolm was offerd in the deal. Rlc or barkley could also play on the wing at need. No reason why we couldn't buy another winger at short notice either.

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18 minutes ago, Fernando said:

An essential player to do nothing?

CHO has offer more in late game then Willian. 

Playing him is like playing with one less player. 

The only thing CHO offer right now is that he is a Chelsea player wanted by Bayern.

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1 minute ago, lucio said:

thats why malcolm was offerd in the deal. Rlc or barkley could also play on the wing at need. No reason why we couldn't buy another winger at short notice either.

Have you watched Malcom play last 6 months? I haven't since he only played like 97 minutes totally according to Transfermarkt. I understand why Sarri might be reluctant to that boy since we fighting for top four and already have a thin squad.*
RLC is injured for 1+ month.

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16 minutes ago, Henrique said:

The only thing CHO offer right now is that he is a Chelsea player wanted by Bayern.

Can't really agree with this.  He has offered a different option to what we have been using on the wings most of the season.  I don't want to go overboard on him but in the past 2 games he's shown enough to continue to get minutes and deserve them.  

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23 hours ago, Fernando said:

Seriously? 

I don't want to watch any more of this. 

We are definitely run by idiots. 

Not a single established fact, and that's before we even attempt to understand what factors might influence the decision. None of us have any clue what, if anything, is going on yet so many know that the club is wrong and stupid and wicked. A strange thought process.

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23 hours ago, whats happening said:

it's like someone is purposefully fucking with us

Yes, but I wonder if you mean that in the same way I do.

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23 hours ago, Costa19 said:

I mean why would we accept Malcom + cash? It's not £50M in cash + Malcom but more likely £10-15M + Malcom. He is shit and haven't played much in Barcelona. We would weaken our already thin squad. 

Edit: If it were £50M straight up front then im sure we would accept it. 

I don't agree with your assessment of Malcolm but it's a breath of fresh air to read a post which shows signs of logic having been applied. Whatever happens has a reason for it. Almost always it's a reason we'd all agree with if only we knew the real situation.

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22 hours ago, kc_blue said:

Maybe they are rejecting the Malcom make weight and want more cash?  I'm really reaching here I know.

No you are not. You're assessing the 'information' available and, applying an actual thought process, you are asking, what, if anything, might really be going on here. I hope this approach catches on but I'm not hopeful.

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15 hours ago, Robchels said:

It's funny and all, but dismissing the little information and insight that we, supporters, have into the business does not make much sense to me.

The market is telling us something: we have one of the very top clubs making bids for a player that many here detest.

Maybe, just maybe, he's not such a horrible player? No, he hasn't been effective in the final third, but clubs (and big ones at that) clearly see value in whatever the fuck he does.

 

14 hours ago, Robchels said:

Yeah we prob know better, right? :)

money, coaches, agents, academy, who needs them!? they pay millions to these quacks while they could just ask question here on this forum... the specialists here would promptly answer and for free too! :D

Thank you. Little by little my faith is being restored. We all lug these big heavy brains around with us, we might as well put them to use eh?

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11 hours ago, Vesper said:

Dig deeper.

The offer was £5m plus Malcom. They said that equalled £50m for Willian. 

Bullshit. Malcom is worth (after a big fail) less than the £37.5m they paid for him. Lets say we reduce him by HALF the amount they are reducing Willian valuation (65m to 50m was the drop for him) so 7.5m drop for Malcom valuation

That makes Malcom worth £30m. So.... £30m value plus the £5m cash

Means they are only offering fucking £35m for a player (Willian) whom only 6 months ago they offered £65m cash!

£30m drop in real offer value v six months back! They trying to give us the Catalan bolloxing.

 

We don't know that this is the reality of course but at least it would explain the published stories without having to rely on the board being certifiable morons. This makes your scenario seem more likely to me. It also leaves room for negotiation. 

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9 hours ago, Unionjack said:

You nutter. I really dont HOPE peeps arem't petty enough to bother about spelling and grammar on here. But if so then funk em!

You're right. Of course you are, but sometimes I really have to sit on my hands and count to ten. An earlier post in the thread included the expression, 'revert back'. It's the visual equivalent of chalk on a blackboard, or fingers on glass, to me. Just have to keep reminding myself that I'm the one who's wrong if I get bothered about it. :)

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11 hours ago, Unionjack said:

I like Sarri and do think he COULD make us do good things but I must admit he does fuckin do my nut in at times!

Sarri's comment is balanced and well judged. It appreciates that Willian is still his player, so it's positive but, by saying Willian is performing below his potential, it includes the implication that the Brazillian must do better.

It is also, by the way, exactly the right thing to say if Maurizio wants to encourage Barcelona to bid for the player. It's not treating them like idiots by pretending Willian has been setting the world alight. Instead it implies that he sees more than enough upside for the player's output to make his manager want to keep the attacker. These are just the things a potential buyer would like to believe.

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9 hours ago, Vesper said:

POTENTIAL IS HIGH!!!????!!!!

He is bloody 30 years old!!!

I am going to choke Sarri myself!

Was replying to that tweet you quoted.

His potential is high. We've seen some tremendous displays from Willian, including a number of them last season. In the first leg vs. Barca, for example, he was out of this world. That is his potential but, I always say never buy a player on the strength of his maximum output. Instead, judge a player on what you consider his average level to be because, by definition, that's what you're going to get from him most of the time.

All we then need to factor in to get a good understanding of what Maurizio said is that managers always want to look for positive public comments about their players. Positive but believable, even for players they are happy to sell but who might still be with the squad when the window shuts.

I think we need to make room for more nuanced consideration of manager talk.

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9 hours ago, Vesper said:

they certainly cannot claim MORE just because he put that fucking blaugrana kit on!

Yep, it would be a matter of moving them forward from their opening negotiating position. If all of this is real, then appreciating there is bound to be some negotiating is all the more reason to avoid the prematurely frustrated posts about a 'stupid' board turning down xyz offer. 

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5 hours ago, Vybzkartel said:

I swear Willian has some ghost accounts on twitter like KD. Dude has some pashun fans staning for him so hard on twitter. 

Who is KD?

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5 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Yep, it would be a matter of moving them forward from their opening negotiating position. If all of this is real, then appreciating there is bound to be some negotiating is all the more reason to avoid the prematurely frustrated posts about a 'stupid' board turning down xyz offer. 

As much as I detest Willian, if Barca doesnt toss us at least £15, and in reality, £20m

we are getting shivved from a 6 month ago valuation standpoint

I am not 100% sold on Malcom, although I think he can be a very good player

NOW

If this was Nicolas Pepe and Lille wanted Willian plus £5 or £10m,

I would bite their HAND OFF 

I would give William plus £25-30m, maybe more for Bernardo Silva

and Willian plus at least £50 , £60m (or more, not joking) for Dembele

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