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Jason

22. Willian

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On 28/03/2018 at 0:54 AM, Blue Armour said:

Time to find out if he really hates Tottenham

Welp, we got our answer now. Almost invisible throughout the game.

Back to his normal self. On the day that we HAD to win. What a shame.

 

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2 hours ago, the wes said:

We should swap Willian for martial 

And give a rival another key player? Why?

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2 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

Martial is far more talented...

and look how far that has gotten him, stuck in a pecking order behind Jesse Lingard. Hard work is just as important and regardless of his talent its clear that Martial has stagnated at United. Hes a good player and maybe a move would help but even then why would you give a direct rival another key player? Did nobody learn from Matic in the summer? Willian is a key player here. Does anybody really think if we were to offer them just cash they'd sell to us? Not a chance.

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6 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

and look how far that has gotten him, stuck in a pecking order behind Jesse Lingard. Hard work is just as important and regardless of his talent its clear that Martial has stagnated at United. Hes a good player and maybe a move would help but even then why would you give a direct rival another key player? Did nobody learn from Matic in the summer? Willian is a key player here. 

Do I really have to bring up players like Salah or De Bruyne re: Mourinho and young attacking talent?

The problem with Matic wasn’t that he was sold, it was that he wasn’t replaced properly. In this case, replacing Willian with Martial would be an upgrade imo. 

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Willian key player here? He may be the key of really ruined garbage old door, not of a good new one, if you know what I mean.

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Just now, The Skipper said:

Do I really have to bring up players like Salah or De Bruyne re: Mourinho and young attacking talent?

The problem with Matic wasn’t that he was sold, it was that he wasn’t replaced properly. 

Regardless of those players and the past. The point I am trying to make is: do not sell key players to direct rivals. Do not swap key players to direct rivals is surely got to come under that? We continue down that path and we'll end up like Arsenal. Martial as a signing yes go for it, 100% but in return for any of our key players, no thank you. Hes a good player, obviously Mourinho has a past with attacking talented youngsters but you cannot say its completely one sided. I think as well Martial is predominately a left sided attacker, he'd give us a good option to swap things up and probably even on the right as well as possibly upfront but when I've seen him for United this season there is a lot of issues there in his consistency (although I am aware he has struggled to play regularly since the turn of the year due to Sanchez arrival) although he has got a lot of potential. Would you honestly expect Man United to sell him to us though? Juventus and Real Madrid have been credited with interest recently. I think we'd have more a chance of landing Rashford or Shaw than Martial although even then difficult still because they do not sell to direct rivals and never really have. 

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Mourinho would love a player like Willian. He would be exactly what he needs to balance his team but hopefully we are not that stupid again. I like Martial but instead of Willian, no thanks. He needs a new club though to kickstart his career as he is stagnating at United. He is also best from the LW while Willian can play effectively from LW and RW. Let's see what happens with likes of Hazard first though because maybe we can tempt United with offer for Martial but no swap deal for Willian. Must be crazy!

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20 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

Martial is far more talented...

Took the words right outta my mouth 😊👍

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31 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

And give a rival another key player? Why?

Look back at this forum from September till December 90% of TC member wanted rid off Willian under the Right manager I feel martial would turn into cracking player 

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6 minutes ago, the wes said:

Look back at this forum from September till December 90% of TC member wanted rid off Willian under the manager I feel martial would turn into cracking player 

Yes and it was alarmingly scary how many in the run up to the summer wanted to trade Matic for a younger upgrade in Bakayoko and look how that worked out. Same with Costa because he was lacking "technical abilitiy"... We need to stop selling our better players, we need to stop selling players to buy, we need to stop selling to rivals. Seriously I think Willian would be still be useful here even if he was off the bench or a rotational option. Its not like hes a piss poor footballer who is out of his depth, fair enough hes not world class by any stretch of the imagination, like Cesc (although not a fan of him playing a 2 man MF doesn't have the legs for it but in a 3 with two more mobile partners, he'd have a role to play) but the amount of folks who think we should just discard them and replace them with the Bakayoko's of the world (1 season wonders) and whoever is up and coming in Germany and Italy or whatever need a reality check because its never that simple.

I'd be 100% for signing Martial absolutely, but a squad with both Willian and Martial in it is stronger than the one we've got imo. We have a lack of attacking midfield options as it is, Pedro, Willian, Hazard, Barkley... its hardly exciting. Throw in Martial at least its another body and a pretty good player with a lot of growth. Move out Pedro maybe get another higher level attacker and there's plenty of competition and plenty of options to change a game up. There is a lot of uncertainty around the club due to managers, players futures all in the air, lack of ideology in which way the clubs going and if we start willingly giving "gifts" to other teams other teams will come and come again. Look at Arsenal. How many of their players were signed season after season by big rivals?

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United's right wing side is problematic, they have stockpiled left wingers but no one on the right. Giving them a natural right winger, a Mourinho favourite to add to that, would be a dumb move. Selling him to those bastards shouldn't even be discussed, especially with the form Willian has displayed proving that under the right circumstances he can be deadly.

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On 4/11/2018 at 3:39 PM, the wes said:

We should swap Willian for martial 

Honestly hope we can nick one player from United next season....payback if nothing else.

Either Martial or Luke Shaw

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Willian is 30 in August why martial is 22 why not do this swap deal it makes sense Martial could do what Salah and KDB has done that's proving Mourinho wrong for letting them go 

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14 hours ago, the wes said:

Willian is 30 in August why martial is 22 why not do this swap deal it makes sense Martial could do what Salah and KDB has done that's proving Mourinho wrong for letting them go 

Who do we have for the right wing though? 

 

I'd be keen if we sign Bailey, then we can afford to let Willian go. People are giving Willian too much shit. He has been great in the second half... while we have been struggling. Seems to be a common story, but like I said, we don't have much on the right side, do we?

The great thing if we do go ahead and do a swap deal, is that Martial can play as striker, and could even partner up top with Morata, and have Hazard play that free role behind them both. Link up would be insane!

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6 minutes ago, Thor said:

Who do we have for the right wing though? 

 

I'd be keen if we sign Bailey, then we can afford to let Willian go. People are giving Willian too much shit. He has been great in the second half... while we have been struggling. Seems to be a common story, but like I said, we don't have much on the right side, do we?

The great thing if we do go ahead and do a swap deal, is that Martial can play as striker, and could even partner up top with Morata, and have Hazard play that free role behind them both. Link up would be insane!

I'm a big fan of bailey this kid will only get better he has everything in his locker he scored a beautiful free kick against bayern munich two weeks ago 

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