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Jason

22. Willian

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Messi is not a winger and never has been. That's absurd. Bale is only a shadow of the player he once was. Have you seen him recently? He's lost his a yard and he looks average these days. I don't want to write him off completely but Pedro and Willian are ahead for now.

James (useless on the wings), Mertens (a second striker), Douglas Costa (are you having a laugh?), Muller (shocking last season, very average), Griezmann ( a second striker), Sanchez - Hazard - Neymar (none are Right wingers).  Di Maria is debatable but he was woeful in the Premier League. I  don't doubt his ability but I have my doubts about him. You can sort of argue KDB as he's played that position sufficient amount of times. 

Dembele and Robben are the only actual right wingers  that are better. Willian is better than Sane for now though Sane has huge potential.

Seriously some shocking takes on TalkChelsea. I don't know if it's just ignorance of football or/and overrating other club's players and underrating ours. Willian continues to be laughably underrated despite adding goals to his game, being one of the best freekick takers in the league and looking almost as unplayable as Hazard is at times. What the fuck more do you want?

Fair enough on Messi, that's why i didn't exactly include him on the list.  

The way I made my list was if I was thinking of improving our RW, which I think we should (new wingbacks are more important though), then those are the players that would be better than willian there.  For a few of them, their best position (as you pointed out) is a different one, but I believe they are all still better than Willian at RW.  

And haha it's not ignorance, it's that we clearly rate him very differently. What I want from him is to be a better player.  To improve his poor decision making and lack of final third production.  He improved that a bit last season with some more open play goals, but I don't consider that improvement enough.  He still constantly slows play down, plays it safe too often, is poor at seeing/playing a final ball.  He is brilliant with the ball, has incredible speed and acceleration, and is a excellent dribbler at times...but he has no idea how to use it.  He uses the same move where he stops, then wiggles his foot and body, then cuts the ball to the right and kicks it away quickly.  It's predictable and it allows the defense to get set.  He is poor in counter attacking for the reasons above too.

I've said this previously, but I think he should reinvent himself as a box to box CM.  I think he could be just brilliant there, and it would off set his lack of ability in the final third.  He is better dribbler coming from deep in my opinion, and this position could allow more opportunities for it.

 

As The Skipper said, maybe he is best as a strong squad player. I would agree with that. He is an important player for us right now as he is the only real back up in the wing positions. He is an excellent squad player.

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24 minutes ago, MrExcalibur100 said:

Messi is not a winger and never has been. That's absurd. Bale is only a shadow of the player he once was. Have you seen him recently? He's lost his a yard and he looks average these days. I don't want to write him off completely but Pedro and Willian are ahead for now.

James (useless on the wings), Mertens (a second striker), Douglas Costa (are you having a laugh?), Muller (shocking last season, very average), Griezmann ( a second striker), Sanchez - Hazard - Neymar (none are Right wingers).  Di Maria is debatable but he was woeful in the Premier League. I  don't doubt his ability but I have my doubts about him. You can sort of argue KDB as he's played that position sufficient amount of times. 

Dembele and Robben are the only actual right wingers  that are better. Willian is better than Sane for now though Sane has huge potential.

Seriously some shocking takes on TalkChelsea. I don't know if it's just ignorance of football or/and overrating other club's players and underrating ours. Willian continues to be laughably underrated despite adding goals to his game, being one of the best freekick takers in the league and looking almost as unplayable as Hazard is at times. What the fuck more do you want?

Neymar.      Suarez      messi

433 formation technically messi plays same place as William does in a 343 formation, so yes u can put messi in that bracket.

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He does and does it more often. Are you implying that Willian is a better scorer, or what?

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8 hours ago, Despiadado.Maleante said:

His improved eye for goal is a brilliant. I wish Hazard would do the same.

Actually I do feel like Hazard has done it aswell.. but yea he needs to score even more now

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24 minutes ago, manpe said:

You guys do know that Hazard was our 2nd top scorer last season, right? And has been consistently outscoring Willian season after season. Because Willian scored one goal in a pre-season friendly that somehow means that Hazard must start scoring more? Wtf?

Double standards. Has been like that since he joined.

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47 minutes ago, manpe said:

You guys do know that Hazard was our 2nd top scorer last season, right? And has been consistently outscoring Willian season after season. Because Willian scored one goal in a pre-season friendly that somehow means that Hazard must start scoring more? Wtf?

I did not agree with @Despiadado.Maleante's claim that Willian is a better goalscorer.. I only said I think Hazard should score even more now to further establish himself as one of the best players in europe.

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4 minutes ago, yuvala said:

I did not agree with @Despiadado.Maleante's claim that Willian is a better goalscorer.. I only said I think Hazard should score even more now to further establish himself as one of the best players in europe.

Nah he is already one of the best, in fact imo he is the best player in EPL. Do you realize in the end of the season team man marked him ?  I only remember Mou did that to Messi when he was at Inter

If we win UCL next season and he does well in WC, he will win Balon d'or or he should (There are politic involve and popularity contest)

Forget about scoring more, imo  he need to find a way to contribute when he is man marked and be more influential in more games. 

 

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1 hour ago, manpe said:

You guys do know that Hazard was our 2nd top scorer last season, right? And has been consistently outscoring Willian season after season. Because Willian scored one goal in a pre-season friendly that somehow means that Hazard must start scoring more? Wtf?

Willian has undoubtedly improved his eye for goal in the past year. When he has the ball you can see his desire to have a shoot. He was never like this. Hazard with his ability should be getting 20 goals easily if he did the same. No one thinks Willian is a better goal scores, it's just he is improving that aspect of his game while hazards hasn't. He need to be more selfish.

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Hazard has improved that aspect. He was more goalhungry last season than before.

 

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22 minutes ago, LondonsFinest said:

The  most awful footballer I have had the dignity of watching. Alongside Matic. Can't wait for him to be binned.

Garbage. He did not have much end product like majority of team but still looked only player of making something happen before arrival of Musonda.

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3 minutes ago, Stats said:

Garbage. He did not have much end product like majority of team but still looked only player of making something happen before arrival of Musonda.

Charly did more in 25 minutes than Willian in 150. Not even a debate. 

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3 minutes ago, LondonsFinest said:

Charly did more in 25 minutes than Willian in 150. Not even a debate. 

Yes but when you are coming on, sometimes you can do more than someone starting as you have fresher legs compared to majority of other players. Musonda looked very good. Shame there is no more pre-season games for him to showcase more of his talents. However regarding Willian, let's not overreact. He is not on Hazard's level but still a very important and good player for us.

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5 minutes ago, Stats said:

Yes but when you are coming on, sometimes you can do more than someone starting as you have fresher legs compared to majority of other players. Musonda looked very good. Shame there is no more pre-season games for him to showcase more of his talents. However regarding Willian, let's not overreact. He is not on Hazard's level but still a very important and good player for us.

Oh, unreal. Can't wait for him to do his low crosses vs Real and show pashun.

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I still can't believe some hyped him last week. This guy needs to get sold next season before he loses all the market value he has. I'd rather have Musonda take his minutes.

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