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Jason

10. Willian

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4 minutes ago, Sideshow Luiz said:

I get the maths of 45 + 5 = 50.

I mean, how do we know that Barca value Malcolm at 45?

I saw in some articles, I mean, that's is the absolute most they possibly could IF they are saying player plus cash

it isnt like they will offer Malcom plus £1m

like I said, £15m or £20m plus Malcom is fair value to both sides

given the history

we HAVE to do something, simply have to

we are losing Eden and CHO (90% sure on both, and even if Eden stays that doesnt begin to fix wingers, if we roll out next year with Willian in the mix still and CHO gone plus only Pulisic added, we are still in shaky shape, as Pedro will also start to really fall off too, due to advanced effects of age)

Willian MUST be taken away from crazy Sarri as an option, he is fucking up the team, along with shit strikers and Alonso

I cover all this here

 

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1 hour ago, Sideshow Luiz said:

Was that the actual offer?  I proposed that in this thread (or the Malcolm one, they are kind of the same right now) as a possible answer to the question "How the hell can Marina turn this down?" .

If that was the actual offer, then yes, our board isn't screwing this one up, that's a terrible offer.

Here may be the source of there £45m valuation on Malcom

I will try and find the other articles

I say after he has been a fail he is worth LESS than what Barca paid

they certainly cannot claim MORE just because he put that fucking blaugrana kit on!

 

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1067002/Barcelona-transfer-news-Lionel-Messi-Barca-gossip-latest

Barcelona have received a £45m bid for winger Malcom - just six months after signing him from Bordeaux.

Malcom has struggled to fit in at Barcelona ands made just one start and four substitute appearances in La Liga.

But Chinese Super League outfit Guangzhou Evergrande are ready to spend big on him.

 

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7 hours ago, Robchels said:

It's funny and all, but dismissing the little information and insight that we, supporters, have into the business does not make much sense to me.

The market is telling us something: we have one of the very top clubs making bids for a player that many here detest.

Maybe, just maybe, he's not such a horrible player? No, he hasn't been effective in the final third, but clubs (and big ones at that) clearly see value in whatever the fuck he does.

I at least have never thought he's a horrible player.  He just doesn't seem to fit into system that we are trying to play.  I'm sure Barca see his ability the same way I'm sure Sarri can see his ability and why he kept him this summer.  Unfortunately that ability hasn't translated well for us this year.  I think he's just a little too slow and takes too many touches which I thought was the antithesis of Sarri's system.  He's also 30 now, his value isn't going to be increasing in the future.  

The issue I see is we want more cash for him and Barca want to get rid of Malcom.  I personally wouldn't be adverse to getting Malcom but perhaps now isn't the right time for that with our situation with CHO.  The club might think he'd see that as pushing him out the door if we bring another winger.  I can see the hesitation on the clubs part even if I think this deal could be the last chance we have to sell Willian on for a decent sum.

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Its now lucid and absolutely clear Sarri is the man behind willian debacle...

Just like I have said....Sarriball is a mirage...put it on Sarri if we fail to make top 4...favouring wishy washy willian regressing our team millions miles behind over quality players that will move the team forward even Willian wanting the move...

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4 minutes ago, eemanyooel said:

Its now lucid and absolutely clear Sarri is the man behind willian debacle...

Just like I have said....Sarriball is a mirage...put it on Sarri if we fail to make top 4...favouring wishy washy willian regressing our team millions miles behind over quality players that will move the team forward even Willian wanting the move...

Lol this post. Why would Sarri want to lose Willian? Then we only have Hazard, Pedro and CHO for the rest of the season. I mean, if we would sell Willian and bring in Lozano i think Sarri would be OK with that. 

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1 minute ago, Costa19 said:

Lol this post. Why would Sarri want to lose Willian? Then we only have Hazard, Pedro and CHO for the rest of the season. I mean, if we would sell Willian and bring in Lozano i think Sarri would be OK with that. 

Dude willian is beyond redemption blocking the pathway of CHO...on the wrong side of 30 knowing our club policy regarding that...another golden opportunity to bring a fresh young blood that will only take little time to get acclimatize to the playing culture of Sarri...now not wanting the move...willian is the reason we are slipping away from top 4

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lolol or cry?????

 

Barcelona transfer tweet sends fans into MELTDOWN: ‘Willian announcement incoming’
BARCELONA’s tweet this evening has sent football fans into meltdown amid reports the club are pursuing Chelsea star Willian.

 

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/752787/Barcelona-transfer-tweet-Willian-Chelsea-Malcom

 

Barcelona transfer news

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17 minutes ago, Vesper said:

lolol or cry?????

 

Barcelona transfer tweet sends fans into MELTDOWN: ‘Willian announcement incoming’
BARCELONA’s tweet this evening has sent football fans into meltdown amid reports the club are pursuing Chelsea star Willian.

 

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/752787/Barcelona-transfer-tweet-Willian-Chelsea-Malcom

 

Barcelona transfer news

is it happening? wow if true

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If there was to be any truth here;

Summer:
Barcelona offers Chelsea 60M for Willian but Chelsea rejects it.

Winter:
Barcelona offers Chelsea Malcom+10M for Willian but Chelsea rejects it again.

 

Cant tell who is more stupid here...

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7 hours ago, lucio said:

honestly things would go better if they did look at the forum, supposedly top managers spend years fixing things the forum has been saying all along

The forum is never wrong... even when it is. There is no accountability for our many mistakes in judgement.

7 hours ago, manpe said:

I guess you didn't mind Mourinho running Ivanovic to the ground either? How easy would life be for the authorities if nobody ever questioned their decisions...

No, not as much as some of here who thought a RB made or broke our team, which I still find silly.

Nothing about authority, what a silly assumption. When Barca and United show interest, there is information to be had there. You are welcome to ignore that if you want.

6 hours ago, Vesper said:

There are always the 'appeal to authority' types in every crowd. The status quo, 'big daddy (or mummy, in Marina's case) knows best' defenders.

Same as in other aspects of life. In politics for example,  the despicable neoliberal, utterly faux-liberal/plazzy prog Blairite Labour faction and the Clintonian/Obama 3rd way neolibcon USA Democrats. 

Wow! now you "know" me... just like some people here claimed to know you moments back. How things turn... :rolleyes: Bias is bias, and you are just claiming, repeatedly, to have one. A very different one than what you accuse me me of having, but a bias nonetheless.

Again, nothing to do with authority :rolleyes:. It's about using information where it can be found, which is something I too deal with in a daily basis. Two other big clubs, United and now Barcelona are showing interest... I happen to find that important information regarding what a player may have to offer.

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1 minute ago, Robchels said:

 

Nothing about authority, what a silly assumption. When Barca and United show interest, there is information to be had there. You are welcome to ignore that if you want.

Wow! now you "know" me... just like some people here claimed to know you moments back. How things turn... :rolleyes: Bias is bias, and you are just claiming, repeatedly, to have one. A very different one than what you accuse me me of having, but a bias nonetheless.

Again, nothing to do with authority :rolleyes:. It's about using information where it can be found, which is something I too deal with in a daily basis. Two other big clubs, United and now Barcelona are showing interest... I happen to find that important information regarding what a player may have to offer.

Sorry, not buying what you are peddling

'cheers

 

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2 hours ago, Vesper said:

Here may be the source of there £45m valuation on Malcom

I will try and find the other articles

I say after he has been a fail he is worth LESS than what Barca paid

they certainly cannot claim MORE just because he put that fucking blaugrana kit on!

 

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1067002/Barcelona-transfer-news-Lionel-Messi-Barca-gossip-latest

Barcelona have received a £45m bid for winger Malcom - just six months after signing him from Bordeaux.

Malcom has struggled to fit in at Barcelona ands made just one start and four substitute appearances in La Liga.

But Chinese Super League outfit Guangzhou Evergrande are ready to spend big on him.

 

Right, but that's 45 from a club in the Chinese Super League.  If Barcelona were the ones offering him up, surely, the price would be lower. 

As in, if I wanted to buy something of yours that wasn't for sale, I would have to pay a lot more than if you had listed it for sale somewhere else.

My guess (if the story is true), is that they offered Malcolm + 10 or 15.  I think the only thing that I can really take away from it is:  Barcelona are interested in Willian, and we're open to selling him.  At the right price.

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