Fernando Torres

[Blue Armour 4,164]

Honestly, I don't think Torres on the whole has been as poor as most people would believe this season. We can mention the lack of profligacy when it comes to the number of goals scored so far, but he has been more involved with the build-up play and passing.

I just feel our style of play just doesn't do him any favors, and for that we'll be much better of with a striker, like Sturridge/Drogba/Anelka, who likes to drop deep, take the ball and distribute it.

[Kieran. 6,317]

Calmed down after a few days, and I've decided to continue to back him. Might as well, he probably won't be here much longer.

[Jase 43,479]

Take the goal incidence for example: With 5 mins to go we were desperately looking for a goal, playing the ball from left to right around the box looking for the right ball in. And although I am mightily glad that Cole popped up where he did, I couldn't help but wondering where our lone striker when we needed him most. The answer is that he was some 30m away from goal, not even in the frame of thee camera in any replay.

He was actually inside the penalty box mate.

[xPetrCechx 13,546]

He was actually inside the penalty box mate.

He's just walking around... hate his lazy attitude...

[mediator 2,026]

I think that we don't need another striker.

In case of Torres failure, we still have Sturridge, Moses and Piazon (to backup).

We can also use the false nine. And if we can sell Torres, we will be good for fifa fair play.

Next Year Lukaku will come back. I think our team is good.

[Jase 43,479]

@xPetrCechx, well that's another issue for another day. Was just trying to correct what he said about Torres being far far far away from goal.

[Sheva. 5,373]

I want him to leave so we can stop talking about him.

This. I'm tired of hearing his name and what he can or can't do. Actually came into this thread by mistake, i've been avoiding it for weeks now

[Leif 6,006]

I will honestly and truly treat his eventual departure as-if we signed Messi. Not an exaggeration at all.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

He was actually inside the penalty box mate.

My bad. Still he's not even making a run or asking for the ball.

[Jase 43,479]

My bad. Still he's not even making a run or asking for the ball.

Well, that's another issue but one I'm already used to. Can't be bothered in getting my hopes up, even just a little on Torres anymore.

[Las7 951]

I'm just happy here, every other Chelsea related forum(I'm even FM at one place), a vast majority keep defending him like some type of religion and he is their blonde deity. Here at least most people when presented with facts don't continue making excuses about him and seem to be more realistic. I swear if RvP didn't score in 24 hours I'd be having a laugh at MU's expense - they actually have had a midfield problem for quite some time yet their strikers hardly struggle on the same scale as Torres.

[Azpinator 2,325]

He scored a great goal against Newcastle a month ago, I say keep believing in him (although it's so frustrating to watch him) until January.

[OneMoSalah 8,614]

He scored a great goal against Newcastle a month ago, I say keep believing in him (although it's so frustrating to watch him) until January.

I stopped believing when it took him like 4 months to score his first goal. Knew he'd be a shit signing due to his transfer fee and stupid injuries he picked up for Spain a year before he moved. Looking back on it why did we fucking effectively break up the Anelka and Drogba partnership for this guy?

That shit cray.

[Azpinator 2,325]

I stopped believing when it took him like 4 months to score his first goal. Knew he'd be a shit signing due to his transfer fee and stupid injuries he picked up for Spain a year before he moved. Looking back on it why did we fucking effectively break up the Anelka and Drogba partnership for this guy?

That shit cray.

Abramovich has the answer.

[Tomo 21,681]

@RyanDavidson Anelka and Drogba were shit for the 6 months prior to Nando coming in, so it made sense at the time to try and evolve the team.

The thing is with Torres, he was poor himself but it was widely thought that he needed a change of scene to reignight his career, shame it hasn't worked out like that but i can genuinely say apart from Crespo (who was my favorite non Chelsea players for years before the Argentine came to us) i have never been so excited about a signing before.

Their are thing's that have worked against Torres in his Chelsea career and not all has been his fault but there are other things which are. I don't think Carlo playing his debut against Liverpool helped because it turned the game into a media frenzy. Has it also ever crossed the mind of some of you guys that the OTT support he gets could be hindering him? putting even more pressure to deliver.

I don't buy this he's a victim of his price tag, that's bollax, he always knew he would command a huge fee if he left Liverpool, he knew he would cost a bomb and with it be under pressure to perform, the simple fact is he has no mental strength at all. A little knock and he's back in his shell, i hope to god he didn't hear the Chelsea fans laugh at Stoke's "Didier Drogba he would have scored that" chant or he is truly finished.

I shown incredible patience at the start, in the first six months despite 1 goal in 23 i refused to even contemplate the thought of his being a flop, i was convinced he would come good. Then again im like that with every signing we make, i was actually disappointed we didn't give Kezman one more season to prove himself.

When Torres scored against United, Swansea and Genk and in the middle had a promising performance against Valencia at the Mestailla where he was desperately unlucky not to score i thought we been through the worse, i was convinced he was back and going to fire in goal after goal but after that mini run he went on a 24 game goal drought.

It wasn't until the Blackburn and Liverpool (Carling cup) i started to think hang on a minute and for weeks he wasn't getting a look in but i though ok ill hold back Didier is going away to the ACON in January so he will get a run in the team then. I waited and 2012 started really good with the performances against Wolves and Sunderland but a sitter missed against Norwich, dreadful performances against QPR and Swansea he was right deep in another rout, he had the chance to claim his place in the team with Drogba away and he fucked it up.

His finest hour in a Chelsea shirt was at the Nou Camp, but even then he nearly fucked up the tie and 180 minutes of hard work from the rest of our team, trying to dribble it out in his own 25 yard area, loses it, walks up the field in a strop while Bosingwa off all players makes an interception that prevented two Barca players going one on one against Cech the Cole hoofed it up and Torres was the hero. If im honest it made me cringe looking at all the praise Torres was getting when on the night there were 12 heroes who deserved the praise more (if you consider none of them 12 went up field in a sulk after losing the ball in a dangerous area and were more astute with their defensive work). The fact Torres was getting more praise than any off the other players on the night was making me tare my hair out, but after one of the best result's in our history i wasn't going to start a massive argument. But the fact that moment was considered his finest contribution in a Chelsea shirt shows just how much of a flop he has been.

Now this summer he looked good in the Euro's and with the new midfielder's coming and the Drogba shadow gone in i thought to myself ok, he deserves until atleast January but we need another forward just incase it fails. Apart from the Newcastle game however it has been same old Torres but his attitude this season on the whole has been terrible, sulking off after getting subbed off (something which was long overdue). His lack of service has been blamed but now we have Hazard and co in the real problem is there for all to see, Torres doesn't get involved or make himself available, service works both ways and he isn't doing his bit at-all. Look at Drogba's second against Valencia and the way he made it clear to Mata he was available and ready for the through ball.

With the midfield we now have he should be able to get 10-15 goals but that is not enough for a first choice forward unless they contribute massively in other side's of the game which Torres does not. He will basically be a more expensive Kalou, he will score the "lucky tap ins" in games we are cruising aswell as the odd goal that will win us three points but when were back's to the wall, up against it needing a goal, being dominated, Torres won't get us out of jail.

He's a nice guy and i wish him well were he goes next, but it's pretty clear Torres and Chelsea is a match made in hell, i will always have this minor 1% hope in my mind that im wrong but that hope is getting shorter and shorter most times i see him on the pitch, Danny should be number one forward, he may not be perfect but he gets involved, some say he shoots too much, but keep doing it eventually a few will go in and i'd prefer that to Torres who seems too scared to shoot most of the time.

I think i have near enough covered my whole feeling about the whole Torres saga since he joined Chelsea so ill probably stay away from this thread from now on.

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

I think i have near enough covered my whole feeling about the whole Torres saga since he joined Chelsea so ill probably stay away from this thread from now on.

I have many of the same feelings about Torres as you. I never like judging a player after only a handful of games. Every player has good streaks and bad streaks so it's possible those games were just one of those. I supported him through the his first awful half a season with us without reservation. Early last season, I still supported him fully, as he was still having the occasional moment of brilliance (first half ManU). Even as the season progressed, I kept thinking he was bound to come good, but was already starting to get annoyed at the absurd lengths his defenders would go to justify his incompetence. By January when his play had reached historic awfulness, I just gave up.

[Blue Roar 240]

unless he improves massively soon, i cant see him lasting too long at chelsea

[Jase 43,479]

unless he improves massively soon, i cant see him lasting too long at chelsea

We all have been saying that for yonks now and nothing has changed. Only 3 months left till the January window opens and judging by how he has performed at the club in the past 18 months or so, can't see how he's gonna dramatically switch on and improve his form.