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The Thread is Dark and Full of Spoilers: "Game of Thrones" discussion

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I don't care if the TV series diverges from the novels. If it is written well; it is written well. But lately it has not been written well nor has it been acted well. What I've seen is something akin to amature fanficition found on shitty parts of the internet.

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I haven't paid that much attention to the acting or writing myself, but I'm a bit disappointed in the cinematography/visuals lately. The CGI also looks pretty blatant at times. Guess this is what sucks about TV shows in general, in that they have a different director for nearly each episode.

I hope next season is more consistent.

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I haven't paid that much attention to the acting or writing myself, but I'm a bit disappointed in the cinematography/visuals lately. The CGI also looks pretty blatant at times. Guess this is what sucks about TV shows in general, in that they have a different director for nearly each episode.

I hope next season is more consistent.

Not just directors, but budget is also way less for TV shows and it shows clearly during CGI stuff.

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I agree, but in previous seasons the CGI looked way more impressive and successful, at least on an artistic/technical standpoint. This season I feel that hasn't been the case. Even the lightning is bad at times.

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Liked the last episode but far from great. I actually expected a more shocking death (once it ended I was like "wut", that was it?). I guess I've just seen way too many f*cked up scenes in movies in general.

So far it has been a good season overall, so I can't complain. And yeah, Dorne has been pretty lame for the most part.

They've destroyed the Dorne storyline. Thankfully Alexander Siddig (Prince Doran) has added a degree of credibility to it with his performance in this episode.

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They've been alluding to it for over a season, now, ever since that Melisandre/Selyse bath scene on Dragonstone in Season IV. Stannis burning his daughter won't be seen as outlandish if it happens - as is expected, considering GRRM inspired the decision to kill of Shireen - in The Winds of Winter.

i dont know how you came to the conclusion of "Stannis burning his daughter won't be seen as outlandish". that was probably the worst thing the writers of GOT have done. i doubt those idiots have read the books or know stannis character AT ALL to show this scene.

also killing off shireen is not comparable to stannis burning her. worlds apart.

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i dont know how you came to the conclusion of "Stannis burning his daughter won't be seen as outlandish". that was probably the worst thing the writers of GOT have done. i doubt those idiots have read the books or know stannis character AT ALL to show this scene.

also killing off shireen is not comparable to stannis burning her. worlds apart.

Because if, in TWOW, Stannis conspires to burn his own daughter - which may well happen, until we have the book, only GRRM knows - then people will look a little bit silly berating the showmakers for this decision.

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Because if, in TWOW, Stannis conspires to burn his own daughter - which may well happen, until we have the book, only GRRM knows - then people will look a little bit silly berating the showmakers for this decision.

i honestly dont think a half decent writer would do something like this.

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i honestly dont think a half decent writer would do something like this.

The same half decent writer who has killed off half the main cast of "good guys" already? :lol: I don't think anyone but GRRM knows what he'll end up doing, and that's the beauty of it. Yes it's barbaric, but I wouldn't be surprised if Stannis burning his own child ends up in book 6.

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The same half decent writer who has killed off half the main cast of "good guys" already? :lol: I don't think anyone but GRRM knows what he'll end up doing, and that's the beauty of it. Yes it's barbaric, but I wouldn't be surprised if Stannis burning his own child ends up in book 6.

he killed off the good guys but did any of his characters end up doing anything uncharacteristic?

ned got killed cos he wont just screw up cersie, infact gave her a chance to take the kids and save herself.

the starks died cos they trusted a vile person thinking he would do what they would do with him.

etc etc..

by a half decent writer i meant, any writer who has created his own world and knows the value of each character. you are confusing barbaricness and goriness with something completely unrealistic. was stannis and his army close to utter anhilliation. yes. what does he do? kill and burn his men at his own whim? NO. and (again its been sometime since i read the books) but any sacrifice is valid. there is no relation to the blood or royal blood as far as i can remember. it will be damn hard for "any half decent writer" to justify the act. and i am pretty sure, GRRM will give one hell of a justification (maybe grayscale does affect shireen at the end or something),IF he ends up doing this deed, but it definitely wont be a sacrifice to please the god and improve the bloody weather. that will be a case of just hopeless writing and thinking.

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he killed off the good guys but did any of his characters end up doing anything uncharacteristic?

ned got killed cos he wont just screw up cersie, infact gave her a chance to take the kids and save herself.

the starks died cos they trusted a vile person thinking he would do what they would do with him.

etc etc..

by a half decent writer i meant, any writer who has created his own world and knows the value of each character. you are confusing barbaricness and goriness with something completely unrealistic. was stannis and his army close to utter anhilliation. yes. what does he do? kill and burn his men at his own whim? NO. and (again its been sometime since i read the books) but any sacrifice is valid. there is no relation to the blood or royal blood as far as i can remember. it will be damn hard for "any half decent writer" to justify the act. and i am pretty sure, GRRM will give one hell of a justification (maybe grayscale does affect shireen at the end or something),IF he ends up doing this deed, but it definitely wont be a sacrifice to please the god and improve the bloody weather. that will be a case of just hopeless writing and thinking.

I'm not confusing anything. I'm just not getting worked up over something that "isn't in the books" that may well end up being "in the books" by the time book six is released. I completely understand what you're saying, but what I am suggesting is the action, which was inspired by GRRM, and thus highly infers that the burning of Shireen will happen in one of the last two books, may well end up happening in the book-lore anyway.

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I'm not confusing anything. I'm just not getting worked up over something that "isn't in the books" that may well end up being "in the books" by the time book six is released. I completely understand what you're saying, but what I am suggesting is the action, which was inspired by GRRM, and thus highly infers that the burning of Shireen will happen in one of the last two books, may well end up happening in the book-lore anyway.

when (and most importantly IF) it happens in the books, i will deal with it later.

i will ridicule the fat sadist at that point of time, but considering the fact that he has written 5 books which are wonderfully written, i would give him the benefit of doubt to know his characters better than some tv series writers who are just looking to make a ruckus by showing idiotic things.

so as a ASOIAF lover, i will condemn them for showing something as idiotic as stanis burning his daughter.

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Just rewatched it. Massive, massive spoilers below for people who haven't seen the episode.

The North

After the considerable amount of character assassination he's suffered, I'm almost glad Stannis is dead - but I'm not convinced he is. "Do your duty", he says to Brienne. Her duty, first and foremost, is to rescue Sansa Stark. I wouldn't be surprised to see him alive, as Brienne's prisoner next season. The death of Selyse was another "shock value" moment but I found it hard to find an ounce of sorrow about her fate after Shireen's execution in the previous episode. Again, another big budget cop-out as all we see of the battle is a long shot from Sansa's perspective, and Stannis fighting two abysmally trained swordsmen.

The Winterfell storyline reached a conclusion, however, and I was delighted by the outcome. Myranda copping it was a nice bit of catharsis after all the suffering Sansa has experienced, and I'm glad to see Reek undergoing the process of reTheonisation. However, after showing all the snow melt at the start of the episode, how are we supposed to believe the two of them survive the fall from Winterfell's 100-foot-tall walls? Okay, in the book, Reek and Jeyne Poole escape in the same way, but George makes extensive use of the narrative to demonstrate the snowfall is at least 20 feet deep by this point, completely blanketing the castle. There was barely even a covering of frost as Stannis' army approached Winterfell - so how are they going to escape that alive? Unless we're being totally fucked with and the two are jumping to their deaths (what a fucking anticlimax that would be), I don't see how they could survive that jump.

Braavos

Meryn Trant is a cunt. We get that. We can all remember him killing Syrio and beating Sansa. Do we really need to see more insinuated torture and rape of prepubescent girls? Arya killing him was sweet, and a truly empowering moment for her as she crosses another name from her list, but the amount of time wasted in re-establishing Trant as being a despicable cunt - which we all already knew - could have been used to flesh out Arya's penance and subsequent blindness. The part in the House of Black and White with Jaqen was nicely done, almost as if it was some sort of LSD trip. Sets up next season nicely.

Dorne

Though the Sand Snakes are shite - absolute shite, for that matter - I, for one, haven't actually minded the Dornish plot. Until tonight. Obviously Season 5 is all about setting up the context for the wars to come - the inevitable conquest of Daenarys; the onslaught of the Others; Lannister vs Martell, etc. - the killing off of Myrcella in such a way was such a cheap way for that story to unfold. Just as Jaime and his daughter have a moment of connection, for the sake of it, we see another unhappy ending. The writers need to appreciate that not everyone needs to die in this show. Okay, so George will probably kill off both Tommen and Myrcella in the last two books for the prophecy regarding Cersei to come to fruition, but I don't see the point in Myrcella being recast if they were going to kill her off after four appearances? Also, Ellaria, in her bid for vengeance, so conveniently has her antidote. A cheap move, in my opinion.

Meereen/Essos

The Meereen scenes were the best in this episode. Any scene with Varys and Tyrion makes for awesome viewing. Any scene with Jorah and Tyrion makes for awesome viewing. In fact, any scene with Tyrion makes for awesome viewing. Peter Dinklage is the best actor in the series by such an extent that he raises the performances of everyone around him. The witty exchanges aside, the one element of the series fast-forwarding I have really liked is the speeding up of Tyrion's story arc. Him being in Meereen as a de facto Hand of the Queen makes perfect sense. Suddenly the adventures of Jorah the Explorer seem a bit shit in comparison, despite the fun they are in the books. I'm intrigued about what is going to happen with Jorah and Daario on the road to finding Dany.

Speaking of Dany, pretty shit luck for a whole Khalasar to find her, right? And how about them all suddenly becoming Native Americans, by the way? Talk about cliché. Dropping her wedding ring on the floor in the middle of a wilderness for Jorah and Daario to inevitably find next season as some kind of homage to The Lord of the Rings: "Not idly do the leaves of Lórien fall". Next expect her necklace, oh, and maybe a dragon, to point her would-be rescuers in the right direction. Of course, another season of Dany doing fuck all, this time with some horsemen, as opposed to her dominating them with a fire-breathing dragon and making them submit to her, makes for better viewing. Get to Westeros already. Winter is coming.

Kings Landing

The Walk of Atonement was perfect. I felt sorry for Cersei. Yes, for Cersei. That's how well it was filmed and acted. It made for uncomfortable watching, arguably more graphic than in the book as well. Septa Unella constantly ringing that bell and crying "Shame, shame, shame!" became very tedious, very quickly, but this was Emmy-winning material by Lena Headey. Introducing Ser Robert Strong as well was perfect. He was exactly how I imagined him. Can't wait to see him fight against the champion of the Faith in Cersei's trial next season. CLEGANEBOWL HYPE.

The Wall

The scene with Davos, Jon, and Melisandre was excellently acted. Mel has one hell of a poker face, but Liam Cunningham's reaction to finding out Shireen is dead was gut-wrenching. Nice to see that Sam is going to Oldtown to become, as Gilly says, "a wizard". I thought they'd be getting rid of that storyline altogether.

"For The Watch" was almost perfect. Despite the fact Kit Harrington, all in all, can't act for toffee, it wasn't a bad scene at all. The way Ser Alliser says "For The Watch", in such a calm manner, almost as if he is saying "Look, sorry mate, but you're a bit of a dick and I'm doing this for the best", was spot on. But Olly. Fuck Olly. Not literally, that would be pretty weird. But fuck me, what a little shit. Okay, he's mad at Jon for allowing Tormund and the Wildlings, who killed his parents, to live beyond The Wall, but the hypocritical little shit uses Jon's long-lost dead uncle as an excuse to get him outside so his bumchums can gut him? Low blow, son. There was no shock value; we all knew this was happening. Its been so clumsily foreshadowed since the third or fourth episode. Look, if Olly wasn't there (and if the character didn't exist, for the matter) and Jon's last words were "Ghost..." as his eyes turn white, then the scene would have been perfect.

There was an alternative angle I was hoping for. Thorne and the Watch begin massacring the Wildlings. Jon gets stabbed, Wun-Wun goes mental and starts destroying everyone and everything, and Ed, Tormund and the Wildlings eventually overcome the Watch to take over Castle Black. Ed and Tormund turn to see Jon being finished off by Olly, with his body dropping to the floor. The scene fades to black, but the the background, the distinctive whimpering of a direwolf. That would have been another angle, but they stayed relatively true to the book here, so fair play.

Overall Thoughts

Look, Hardhome was the best episode of GoT ever. Better than a 10/10. Made the Red Wedding look shit. Made the Blackwater look boring, and the attack at Castle Black completely shite. The ending of The Dance of Dragons was also excellent - a 9/10 episode. This was never, ever, going to be able to top those two episodes. But a steady 7/10 to follow up what has been a 7/10 season. Season 5 won't win Game of Thrones many new fans - in fact it has probably split the fandom in half because of the deviations away from the books, but when all is said and done and we have eight seasons of the TV show and seven books to plough through, we'll look at Season 5 in the same way that A Feast for Crows and A Dance With Dragons are seen in the bookverse - they are necessary in slowing down the plot and building up the characterisation of the existing characters. Consider it a "context season". GoT will get bigger and better, and whilst there have been some incredible highlights this season (Hardhome, etc.) and some really shit moments, also, this has been a steady season indeed. Roll on 2016.

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i heard kit (jon snow) has been told that he is gone. dead. off the books for the show. i hope GRRM has told the writers to write their own storylines so that there is not a spoiler for the books.

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Starting to believe I can predict who's going to die each season, the one who they make you sympathise the most, same recipe for each season.

Disappointed tho, only 2/10 episodes were descent for season 5.

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So brienne the turd kills another great character she's not supposed to. Might not bother watching it.

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