The Chelsea-Vitesse Thread

[We Hate Scouse 10,260]

Considering Chelsea and Vitesse have a clear unofficial link I thought it would be ideal to start a thread on the relationship. We can discuss our players that are on loans there and the progress that Vitesse are making.

The link appears to come from Abramovich's and Jordania (Vitesse owner) personal relationship. They were introduced through another Russian billionaire and Jordania has said that he speaks to Abramovich on a weekly basis and often goes to Chelsea games with him.

Jordania appears to be very shady though and this could be the reason why no official link will be made. He was once president of the Georgian Football Federation, but following allegations of corruption he was sacked. He has been to prison twice. Once for tax evasion and the other for embezzlement.

Many questions have been asked as to where Jordania has acquired such money to invest. He owns a business that arrange the transfer of Georgian players to foreign countries and arranging TV contracts. It is considered to be a small business with little profit. Certainly not enough to run a football club. It is thought that Jordania is receiving funds from an outside investor, using the club as a project. The obvious person that the media suspect is Abramovich.

It is thought that Chelsea have 1st dibs or ownership of some of Vitesse's younger players. These include:

Giorgi Chanturia - 19 year old Georgian winger who signed from Barcelona

Alex and Anderson Santos - 20 year old, twin brothers. Very much like Fabio and Rafael of Man Utd. One plays left back the other right back.

Valeri Kazaishvilli - Another 19 year old Georgian winger.

Renato Iberra - 21 year old, promising winger

We currently have two players on loan there:

Patrick Van Aanholt - Started shaky and was not always in the first team, but he started to find his feet at the end of last season.

Tomas Kalas - One of Vitesse better players last season. Looks very promising and comfortable.

Vitesse managed to qualify for the Euorpa League last season. They entered in the second qualifying round and beat Lokomotiv Plovdiv 7-5 on aggregate. Although there next game is against the new kids on the block. Russian billionaires FC Anzhi Makhachkala. Guus Hiddink is currently the manager and top players include; Chris Samba; Samuel Eto'o; and Yuri Zhirkov. The first leg is to be played on Thursday with the second a week later.

I'll try update this thread as much as I can.

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and I thought Vitesse was a Black Hole which swallowed up stars

[OneMoSalah 8,607]

It is thought that Chelsea have 1st dibs or ownership of some of Vitesse's younger players. These include:

Giorgi Chanturia - 19 year old Georgian winger who signed from Barcelona

Chanturia is going to be class. Thank fuck we have first dibs on him

[Chelsea? 892]

Considering Chelsea and Vitesse have a clear unofficial link I thought it would be ideal to start a thread on the relationship. We can discuss our players that are on loans there and the progress that Vitesse are making.

The link appears to come from Abramovich's and Jordania (Vitesse owner) personal relationship. They were introduced through another Russian billionaire and Jordania has said that he speaks to Abramovich on a weekly basis and often goes to Chelsea games with him.

Jordania appears to be very shady though and this could be the reason why no official link will be made. He was once president of the Georgian Football Federation, but following allegations of corruption he was sacked. He has been to prison twice. Once for tax evasion and the other for embezzlement.

Many questions have been asked as to where Jordania has acquired such money to invest. He owns a business that arrange the transfer of Georgian players to foreign countries and arranging TV contracts. It is considered to be a small business with little profit. Certainly not enough to run a football club. It is thought that Jordania is receiving funds from an outside investor, using the club as a project. The obvious person that the media suspect is Abramovich.

It is thought that Chelsea have 1st dibs or ownership of some of Vitesse's younger players. These include:

Giorgi Chanturia - 19 year old Georgian winger who signed from Barcelona

Alex and Anderson Santos - 20 year old, twin brothers. Very much like Fabio and Rafael of Man Utd. One plays left back the other right back.

Valeri Kazaishvilli - Another 19 year old Georgian winger.

Renato Iberra - 21 year old, promising winger

We currently have two players on loan there:

Patrick Van Aanholt - Started shaky and was not always in the first team, but he started to find his feet at the end of last season.

Tomas Kalas - One of Vitesse better players last season. Looks very promising and comfortable.

Vitesse managed to qualify for the Euorpa League last season. They entered in the second qualifying round and beat Lokomotiv Plovdiv 7-5 on aggregate. Although there next game is against the new kids on the block. Russian billionaires FC Anzhi Makhachkala. Guus Hiddink is currently the manager and top players include; Chris Samba; Samuel Eto'o; and Yuri Zhirkov. The first leg is to be played on Thursday with the second a week later.

I'll try update this thread as much as I can.

nice thread, and to think I was starting to HATE you.

Does Roman have a shady past too?

[We Hate Scouse 10,260]

nice thread, and to think I was starting to HATE you.

Does Roman have a shady past too?

Yes. Although the records don't show as much as Jordania's crimes. It's more allegations.

Have a read through this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Abramovich#Controversies

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and I thought Vitesse was a Black Hole which swallowed up stars

really?

i just know that now

[capriccioso 2,545]

Red Rom wouldn't go as far as to own another club, would he?

[We Hate Scouse 10,260]

Red Rom wouldn't go as far as to own another club, would he?

There's no way Jordania can be funding what is going on at Vitesse. Someone else has to be doing it. The only reasons that I can think of them not wanting to do it themselves is because 1. They can't. They wouldn't be considered a fit and proper owner so they have got someone else to do it or they already own a club 2. The person doing it does not want to be known.

Another potential culprit could be friend of Roman, Shalva Chigirinsky. Chigirinsky is camera shy so it would explain that. He may also not pass the guidelines for a fit and proper person as he is also a very shady character. The whole relationship seems incredibly dodgy.

Jordania said last September "Ultimately, Roman Abramovich has helped us. We are Vitesse and we decide who we want, but it is true Chelsea is an important connection in our transfer policy" Make of that what you will............

[capriccioso 2,545]

There's no way Jordania can be funding what is going on at Vitesse. Someone else has to be doing it. The only reasons that I can think of them not wanting to do it themselves is because 1. They can't. They wouldn't be considered a fit and proper owner so they have got someone else to do it or they already own a club 2. The person doing it does not want to be known.

Another potential culprit could be friend of Roman, Shalva Chigirinsky. Chigirinsky is camera shy so it would explain that. He may also not pass the guidelines for a fit and proper person as he is also a very shady character. The whole relationship seems incredibly dodgy.

Jordania said last September "Ultimately, Roman Abramovich has helped us. We are Vitesse and we decide who we want, but it is true Chelsea is an important connection in our transfer policy" Make of that what you will............

That would make it club number 3 he has a hand in. He tried to own CSKA Moscow as well, but wasn't permitted to. He's probably some sort of secret investor there.

At least Arkady only has one love...

[We Hate Scouse 10,260]

That would make it club number 3 he has a hand in. He tried to own CSKA Moscow as well, but wasn't permitted to. He's probably some sort of secret investor there.

At least Arkady only has one love...

If Abramovich has got his fingers in Vitesse then it's a very good move. As long as he doesn't get caught. It is the perfect place to harbor youth that cannot get work permits here and we can also send plays on loan there as we are.

[capriccioso 2,545]

If Abramovich has got his fingers in Vitesse then it's a very good move. As long as he doesn't get caught. It is the perfect place to harbor youth that cannot get work permits here and we can also send plays on loan there as we are.

If he's splitting his resources 3 ways (4, if you include his role in the Russian FA), that can't be a great thing for us. He should pull out of CSKA/the Russian FA.

[We Hate Scouse 10,260]

If he's splitting his resources 3 ways (4, if you include his role in the Russian FA), that can't be a great thing for us. He should pull out of CSKA/the Russian FA.

I don't see how it affects us. We're clearly his main project. Vitesse possibly to help us and his roles in Russia are giving something back to his country.

He's still spending money on us and constantly trying to improve us so I don't see any reason to worry.

[capriccioso 2,545]

I'm an anxious person, though. I worry for a living.

[manpe 10,855]

It is the perfect place to harbor youth that cannot get work permits here and we can also send plays on loan there as we are.

RAJKOVIC! He didn't get a work permit though, Jordania must be shot.

[We Hate Scouse 10,260]

RAJKOVIC! He didn't get a work permit though, Jordania must be shot.

Rajkovic would've had to stay there for another 3 year (Not 100% sure on this) to gain the right of Dutch Nationality. He probably expected to achieve more in that time.

[OneMoSalah 8,607]

Roman doesn't have shares in CSKA Moscow, a company he had major shares in sponsored them, I think.

CSKA Moscow

In March 2004, Sibneft agreed to a three-year sponsorship deal worth €41.3 million (US$58 million) with the Russian team CSKA Moscow. Although the company explained that the decision was made at management level, some viewed the deal as an attempt by Abramovich to counter accusations of being unpatriotic which were made at the time of the Chelsea purchase. Union of European Football Associations (UEFA) rules prevent one person owning more than one team participating in UEFA competitions, so Abramovich has no equity interest in CSKA. A lawyer, Alexandre Garese, is one of his partners in CSKA. Following an investigation, he was cleared by UEFA of having a conflict of interest.^[63]Nevertheless, he was named most influential person in Russian football in the Russian magazine Pro Sport at the end of June 2004. In May 2005, CSKA won the UEFA Cup, becoming the first Russian club ever to win a major European football competition. However, in October 2005, Abramovich sold his interest in Sibneft and the company's new ownerGazprom, which sponsors FC Zenit Saint Petersburg, cancelled the sponsorship deal.

Also that shows where we get the Gazprom sponsor from basically

[EskWeston 696]

I think we can expect to see more unofficial links like this. It has proven to be very worthwhile for us. We will never know the true extent to Romans and Chelsea's influence at this club but it gives us great oppertunities to send our players on loan there as we have done and as we are. Especfially as Vitesse are on the verge of the Europa League (although a tough tie against Hiddinks side).

[We Hate Scouse 10,260]

The game kicks off at 4pm BST. Tomas Kalas is suspended for the game, but Van Aanholt is in the 21 man squad that traveled.