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BlueLion.

Oscar

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Where that Coutinho again....

Another game, yet, no win again.

I am not even saying this to be petty but you see that when Liverpool have strikers with pace and movement like Sturridge he will thrive. 2 asissts today. They keep Sturridge and Coutinho fit and they excel. But you said that after the Bordeaux game. I am going to ask you where was Oscar today when we needed him to step up? Not there and that is my concern. He does not step up often when the rest of the team are below par.

Last 3 games for City had 1 crucial element....

Silva didn't play in any of them...

The 3 games Oscar played this season, we conceded 1 goal and are 2-0-1

Just based on EPL season, we already conceded 12 goals this year. We will drop points with oscar on the team sheet, but we also will win more games with him as our cam than KDB as our cam

Mate, like I was trying to say before, the theory that when Oscar plays we don't lose is quite poor. When the likes of Hazard and Pedro are not performing to their usual standards, he does not step up and that is my biggest concern. He was better in the second half but as a no.10 no real cutting edge when we need it. We bring on players like Willian and Ramires who can run at the oppostion, then the game changed.

I thought people would change their minds about Oscar after the disasterous couple of games we had without him but I guess it's just impossible for him to please our fans.

I think the issue is that people are comparing him to creative n10s the likes of Silva,Ozil,James.. He's not that type of player and probably never will be.

He leads the pressing in the team and maintains defensive stability. He retains possession, plays small combinations with the other attacking players and helps our star player shine(Hazard). He has a fair amount of goals/assists a season for someone who isnt the focal point of his team. It's no surprise we had players like Eden and Fabregas underperforming while he was not playing. He's a modern day n10.

So he is playing today and they still both underperform? This myth that he brings balance is a load of rubbish honestly. I actually thought Oscar was much better in the second half but still not enough cutting edge. Ironic that he went off and we got both goals. Oscar performed against Maccabi but the fact that people were using that game tosay the likes of Fabregas performed because Oscar returned was ridiculous. They were an awful team and Fabregas would have performed even with Kenedy playing in the no.10 tbh. LIke I said think he improved second half but it is nonsense imo to say that we as a team improve when he returns. I saw no evidence of that today against the worse team in the league this season (along with Sunderland).

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I am not even saying this to be petty but you see that when Liverpool have strikers with pace and movement like Sturridge he will thrive. 2 asissts today. They keep Sturridge and Coutinho fit and they excel. But you said that after the Bordeaux game. I am going to ask you where was Oscar today when we needed him to step up? Not there and that is my concern. He does not step up often when the rest of the team are below par.

Mate, like I was trying to say before, the theory that when Oscar plays we don't lose is quite poor. When the likes of Hazard and Pedro are not performing to their usual standards, he does not step up and that is my biggest concern. He was better in the second half but as a no.10 no real cutting edge when we need it. We bring on players like Willian and Ramires who can run at the oppostion, then the game changed.

So he is playing today and they still both underperform? This myth that he brings balance is a load of rubbish honestly. I actually thought Oscar was much better in the second half but still not enough cutting edge. Ironic that he went off and we got both goals. Oscar performed against Maccabi but the fact that people were using that game tosay the likes of Fabregas performed because Oscar returned was ridiculous. They were an awful team and Fabregas would have performed even with Kenedy playing in the no.10 tbh. LIke I said think he improved second half but it is nonsense imo to say that we as a team improve when he returns. I saw no evidence of that today against the worse team in the league this season (along with Sunderland).

Coutinho

1 goal=46 shots

HAHAHA 2 assists from basic passes where both milner and daniel did all the WORK....

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Coutinho

1 goal=46 shots

HAHAHA 2 assists from basic passes where both milner and daniel did all the WORK....

Still goes down as his though tongue.png but generally he was one of the better players in the game. They played him as a no.8. Think I read he completed every single one of his passes and was impressive.

But going to Oscar, I hope this myth that you and others put out that the team balance improves when he is in the team, is put to an end. Did you see how vulnerable we looked in the first half?

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Still goes down as his though tongue.png but generally he was one of the better players in the game. They played him as a no.8. Think I read he completed every single one of his passes and was impressive.

But going to Oscar, I hope this myth that you and others put out that the team balance improves when he is in the team, is put to an end. Did you see how vulnerable we looked in the first half?

You didn't even watch the game and your talking again...

Also the midfield was balanced, once Oscar drop deep to help Matic-Cesc.. Before that, those 2 were getting outrun, outplayed, etc.... Oscar was the best player before he got subbed out...

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You didn't even watch the game and your talking again...

Also the midfield was balanced, once Oscar drop deep to help Matic-Cesc.. Before that, those 2 were getting outrun, outplayed, etc.... Oscar was the best player before he got subbed out...

You did watch the game and let me guess, Coutinho was shit right? Even though most reviews and fans have given him good ratings and compliments?

Oscar was good in the second half, poor in first half. If he was that good he would have stayed on but he did not because he was not offering much offensively. That simple. We got both goals when he came off and that goes against #we don't lose when Oscar plays. I am not saying he was awful but he does not do enough offensively for a player you seem to rate above the likes of KDB. Let's see if he keeps his place against Porto. I think he might be dropped.

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You did watch the game and let me guess, Coutinho was shit right? Even though most reviews and fans have given him good ratings and compliments?

Oscar was good in the second half, poor in first half. If he was that good he would have stayed on but he did not because he was not offering much offensively. That simple. We got both goals when he came off and that goes against #we don't lose when Oscar plays. I am not saying he was awful but he does not do enough offensively for a player you seem to rate above the likes of KDB. Let's see if he keeps his place against Porto. I think he might be dropped.

SO, Cesc stayin on means he played well .......

Ivan stayed on too.... As did pedro...

STATS LOGIC

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Still goes down as his though tongue.png but generally he was one of the better players in the game. They played him as a no.8. Think I read he completed every single one of his passes and was impressive.

But going to Oscar, I hope this myth that you and others put out that the team balance improves when he is in the team, is put to an end. Did you see how vulnerable we looked in the first half?

Sorry but that's not a valid conclusion.

You are making a direct connection between oscar and balance and that's just not right. Especially some that is related to every single playey with a possible exception of the gk.

Oscar had a poor game - he tried things and they did not work. Others were as bad or worse.

Oscar does improve the balance but the balance isn't right. I thought the lineup was a bit too attacking for this game tbh. Pedro is an attacker.

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SO, Cesc stayin on means he played well .......

Ivan stayed on too.... As did pedro...

STATS LOGIC

If you realised I was being sarcasm to laugh at that ridiculous #Oscar improves us theory. No he does not. The problem lie much deeper than Oscar playing or not. Merely my point. But I can guarantee you Oscar is dropped for Kiev. Matic, Fabregas and Ramires will be the trio in midfield and Hazard, Willian/Pedro with Costa will be the line up.

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If you realised I was being sarcasm to laugh at that ridiculous #Oscar improves us theory. No he does not. The problem lie much deeper than Oscar playing or not. Merely my point. But I can guarantee you Oscar is dropped for Kiev. Matic, Fabregas and Ramires will be the trio in midfield and Hazard, Willian/Pedro with Costa will be the line up.

Chelsea is playing PORTO ........

SO, you can guarantee that!

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Sorry but that's not a valid conclusion.

You are making a direct connection between oscar and balance and that's just not right. Especially some that is related to every single playey with a possible exception of the gk.

Oscar had a poor game - he tried things and they did not work. Others were as bad or worse.

Oscar does improve the balance but the balance isn't right. I thought the lineup was a bit too attacking for this game tbh. Pedro is an attacker.

He adds balance but the likes of Fabregas and Hazard performing is not down to Oscar. It is down to us not having control in the game. My point is when we are losing in situations like this and Hazard is not playing well Oscar will not step up in the same way others would and that is my biggest concern and why I prefer seeing Willian in the team.

Chelsea is playing PORTO ........

SO, you can guarantee that!

It does not help that he was not impressive. I have said and others for a long while that we probably are better of in a 4-3-3. Like I said he improved second half, in dictating play, linking play and spraying passes but when we needed a goal and others were not up to their usual standards, I don't think he steps up and that is why he came off imo. Willian is much more direct.

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He adds balance but the likes of Fabregas and Hazard performing is not down to Oscar. It is down to us not having control in the game. My point is when we are losing in situations like this and Hazard is not playing well Oscar will not step up in the same way others would and that is my biggest concern and why I prefer seeing Willian in the team.

It does not help that he was not impressive. I have said and others for a long while that we probably are better of in a 4-3-3. Like I said he improved second half, in dictating play, linking play and spraying passes but when we needed a goal and others were not up to their usual standards, I don't think he steps up and that is why he came off imo. Willian is much more direct.

Willian's goal was all Ramires blocking the sight of Krul..

All of willian's goals this season have been REALLY REALLY LUCKY

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Willian's goal was all Ramires blocking the sight of Krul..

All of willian's goals this season have been REALLY REALLY LUCKY

I know but he adds a different dimension. When Hazard is in one of his passive moods he is often a player who takes responsibility for the team which I appreciate. Also those goals, while they have been lucky, it is also a skill tbh to whip it in like that which means even if a palyer does not get their head on it, the delivery can actually cause a problem for the keeper.

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Balance was missing today.

Hopefully he brings the balance next game.

it wasn't only balance and he was the only decent player in the first... what can he do when everyone around him sucks?

He wasn't that good, but the others were much worse...

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it wasn't only balance and he was the only decent player in the first... what can he do when everyone around him sucks?

He wasn't that good, but the others were much worse...

True, everybody was bad today.

When everybody else is on fire Oscar can be the balance guy, but when when everybody is off he will struggle.

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He adds balance but the likes of Fabregas and Hazard performing is not down to Oscar. It is down to us not having control in the game. My point is when we are losing in situations like this and Hazard is not playing well Oscar will not step up in the same way others would and that is my biggest concern and why I prefer seeing Willian in the team.

It does not help that he was not impressive. I have said and others for a long while that we probably are better of in a 4-3-3. Like I said he improved second half, in dictating play, linking play and spraying passes but when we needed a goal and others were not up to their usual standards, I don't think he steps up and that is why he came off imo. Willian is much more direct.

Fair enough, but that was not the point I made.

Oscar did have a poor showing and did not step up. Though I find it funny that Hazard gets no criticism and he's been consistently one of the poorest performers this season.

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it wasn't only balance and he was the only decent player in the first... what can he do when everyone around him sucks?

He wasn't that good, but the others were much worse...

We all know that Cesc is not famous for winning tackles and Oscar can win tackles,but he is not consistent with his game.Against Arsenal,he jumped in every duel and he did not win every duel,but almost everyone.One week later,he does not win any of them.Sometimes I think,that he does not win his tackles against the more physical sides,while playing against a more technical team,he shines.

Furthermore,we know that if Cesc,nor Oscar win tackles,Matic will not win his tackles either,because he can´t be the one who will win every tackle that Oscar and Cesc lost before.

Ok,sometimes Matic has his superman performances,but that can´t be the case all the time.

I like how you defend him,but his performance was not good.I expect from him much better pressing and this time he did not deliver.

Ramires did much better and our play improved immediately after Rami came.

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True, everybody was bad today.

When everybody else is on fire Oscar can be the balance guy, but when when everybody is off he will struggle.

because it's impossible to save a whole team by yourself. He was tackling, pressing and doing everything he could in the first, he tried the through ball many times - some successful others no, but he was trying. His limited dribbling skills showed, but what other players did with those balls he offered and from the tackles he recovered the ball? He came deep to give more options and space for Fabregas and Hazard, but what have they done with it? Bullocks.

I still think we play better with him than without him - given the current players we have - but today was simply impossible to help that team.

I've never seen such a heartless and toothless presentation from so many players at once.

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Fair enough, but that was not the point I made.

Oscar did have a poor showing and did not step up. Though I find it funny that Hazard gets no criticism and he's been consistently one of the poorest performers this season.

One thing I give to Hazard despite our poor he has been is that he still comes up with that little bit of magic. Done excellently for Ramires goal and you just need him on the pitch tbh. But I don't think he has been as awful as people make. Just not been at the same standards as last season. Swansea poor first half. Second half he was a one man show and was very good imo. WBA, when we went down to 10, he was actually one of the key reasons we won. Constantly drawing fouls and using his excellent balance to keep hold off the ball. City poor but could not really do anything when our CM were dominated. Palace did not standout. Arsenal was very good, so mixed and match.

I desperately want him to score. Arsenal fans are obviously going to have a wankfest over Sanchez scoring his hattrick now.

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