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Oscar

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What does an average Brazilian fan think of Oscar? In terms of the national team.

Most people I know really like him, but I do know some that think the same as some fans here and think he's a farce.

He's well loved as far as I can tell.

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Most people I know really like him, but I do know some that think the same as some fans here and think he's a farce.

He's well loved as far as I can tell.

Who are Eddie and Cris in your profile description?

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Who are Eddie and Cris in your profile description?

Eden and Cristiano Ronaldo

I could see where this conversation will ended :Goober:

Well, so help me, cause I haven't figured out yet. It feels like my hot seat II :P

At the moment is past midnight here and 31 degrees, my brain has been burned

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Eden and Cristiano Ronaldo

Well, so help me, cause I haven't figured out yet. It feels like my hot seat II :P

At the moment is past midnight here and 31 degrees, my brain has been burned

Do you think Oscar may become the next Kaka? Kaka was sensational during his peak, do you think Oscar has that in him? Do you think Kaka is handsome?

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I'm hoping a drought-breaking goal against Newcastle will give Oscar some added confidence, and he definitely thrives on this. I think his uncharacteristically animated celebration after scoring shows just how much he needed a goal to end a tough period of illness and poor performances.

Well I'd like to think my hope/prediction here turned out to be pretty close to the mark. If he hadn't scored against Newcastle he probably wouldn't have scored either of those goals against Swansea, especially the second one. Shows just how much some added confidence does for him. So happy!

Here's my humble contribution to the thread, nonetheless: Excellent classy finishes on both of the goals and a great performance overall. My motm because he was our best "presser" which for me is what won us the match so easily and helped us dominate.

Totally agreed, not only did his relentless pressure and hounding create the Swansea mistake that led to Diego's second goal (our third), but throughout the entire game his pressing was superb.

Along with this, I also feel that he deserves MotM because he put in when it mattered most. Yes, his second half wasn't at the level of his first half, but that's pretty academic when your team is winning 4-0 at HT. When the game was up for grabs in the first half, he was the one who stood up and was involved in literally every forward movement as well as making some key tackles and interceptions. Not to mention two magnificent goals!

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Well, so help me, cause I haven't figured out yet. It feels like my hot seat II :P

At the moment is past midnight here and 31 degrees, my brain has been burned

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Don't worry Oscar himself has arrived, and will save your day.

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Do you think Oscar may become the next Kaka? Kaka was sensational during his peak, do you think Oscar has that in him? Do you think Kaka is handsome?

I've never liked Kaka as a footballer, I think he's one of the most overrated players ever. Not my style of player and I hope Oscar develops into something else (although Kaká was very decisive before his many injuries. I know Oscar said many times Kaká is his idol and he hopes to be like him...

Kaka is the antithesis of what I find attractive in a man. He looks so dumb and slow (his face, because he's actually very smart and well educated), I feel like every time he smiles he'll start drooling. Ugh... please, no more Kaká pictures in my head.

Why so many questions though? (not that I mind, I don't, but people reading the thread might)

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Okay, but maybe it is just me then who wanted to look on the positive side. Oscar scoring has enough to cover all of his 'negative' things (if there any) he did on the rest of his game, as 2 goals was a big contribution in my opinion.

It's as if someone has did 90% and people closed their eyes on that, and rather bitching about 10% he did not do. Yup, it's up to each other perspective I guess

Again, no one is denying the goals and the assists over this season. It's a great return and long may that trend continue.

HOWEVER, is it so wrong not to comment on the frustration of those misplaced passes? It's not something you could've exactly not noticed, even commentary picked up on it.

It's a simple observation of the frustration I feel with Oscar. Could be a world beater, but he needs to concentrate harder on games.

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Again, no one is denying the goals and the assists over this season. It's a great return and long may that trend continue.

HOWEVER, is it so wrong not to comment on the frustration of those misplaced passes? It's not something you could've exactly not noticed, even commentary picked up on it.

It's a simple observation of the frustration I feel with Oscar. Could be a world beater, but he needs to concentrate harder on games.

He misplaced a total of 11 passes throughout the whole match. Six in the first and five in the second. He had 84% pass completion (not 81%) according Squawka, so what exactly you and the pundits (that are always so spot on anyway) are talking about. What crime is it that a player didn't complete 11 of his passes?

edit: though I do agree he's sloppy sometimes out of lack of concentration

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He misplaced a total of 11 passes throughout the whole match. Six in the first and five in the second. He had 84% pass completion (not 81%) according Squawka, so what exactly you and the pundits (that are always so spot on anyway) are talking about. What crime is it that a player didn't complete 11 of his passes?

edit: though I do agree he's sloppy sometimes out of lack of concentration

Again I mention it before, in the bigger picture you're talking about his concentration in these games. It's not just today, previous games this season his anonymity has been an issue.

I may seem like a hater here, but I'm far from it. Oscar is a very good player, but his concentration must be worked on and his influence has to grow. Especially if he wants to play in these bigger games.

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I've never liked Kaka as a footballer, I think he's one of the most overrated players ever. Not my style of player and I hope Oscar develops into something else (although Kaká was very decisive before his many injuries. I know Oscar said many times Kaká is his idol and he hopes to be like him...

Kaka is the antithesis of what I find attractive in a man. He looks so dumb and slow (his face, because he's actually very smart and well educated), I feel like every time he smiles he'll start drooling. Ugh... please, no more Kaká pictures in my head.

Why so many questions though? (not that I mind, I don't, but people reading the thread might)

Asking questions is the basis of knowledge. I'm striving for intellectual perfection and you are a tool in achieving that.

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He misplaced a total of 11 passes throughout the whole match. Six in the first and five in the second. He had 84% pass completion (not 81%) according Squawka, so what exactly you and the pundits (that are always so spot on anyway) are talking about. What crime is it that a player didn't complete 11 of his passes?

edit: though I do agree he's sloppy sometimes out of lack of concentration

I dont want to speak for the poster you quoted, but I may be able to shed light on the topic.

First off I want to say I love Oscar and dont consider myself a critic of his, as he's one of the players we have that gives his all and shows fight no matter the circumstance. That goes a long way in my book. But I can also agree to some degree with the faction of fans that consider him fairly frustrating at times. The reason his misplaced passes (whether its 5 or 11 in a match) drive ppl mad at times is because they are usually relatively "simple" passes to make (for a player of his quality) and often come during a potentially good attack build up.

Today while watching the match I observed a few Chelsea fans berate and complain about his passes despite him scoring twice and pressing like a mad man. They basically told me the same thing I outlined above, they get frustrated mostly at the timing of his misplaced passes and the nature of them (i.e he's not misplacing potential defensive splitting balls).

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Asking questions is the basis of knowledge. I'm striving for intellectual perfection and you are a tool in achieving that.

thanks... being called a tool feels great :P

@LDN Blue, @Dy-lan, actually my very first post after the match in this thread I said I agree with the critics of him that complain about consistency (I'm one of them btw) and that he needs to play like today way more often.

I may have lost those stupid misplaced passes today. I thought he was okay passing... His first half against Newcastle though was a horror show, one I won't be able to forget any time soon

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But I can also agree to some degree with the faction of fans that consider him fairly frustrating at times. The reason his misplaced passes (whether its 5 or 11 in a match) drive ppl mad at times is because they are usually relatively "simple" passes to make (for a player of his quality) and often come during a potentially good attack build up.

hmm, why Willian's name pop up in my head, when reading that.

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While I think the passing thing is being overblown given the recent contributions Oscar has given to the team, I also believe those frustrations are completely acceptable because we're talking about pro footballers here. They eat, sleep, and breath football, it is reasonable to expect them not to misplace easy passes that even amateurs wouldn't, especially if they're misplacing them in a regular basis. It's just a matter of frustrated expectations.

If a player can't execute 40-yard passes consistently he won't get bashed for it, maybe for trying them too often when it's clear those are not his thing. But basic passing is just something every player is supposed to have, and if a player is struggling at that he'd better work on it because that's a really serious issue. Whether it is technical or mental it must be fixed as soon as possible, especially when we're talking about a young player.

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Even if he beat Shurrle to the 5th goal and scored his hat-trick, his overall contribution would have been poor.

So, so harsh LDN. Playing some poor passes can never turn your overall contribution poor in a performance like Oscar's yesterday.

Ultimately, his input in 13 goals is so much more valuable to the team’s success than him being able to complete 85% of his passes in every game.

Found myself nodding when I read this. (Funny thing is, Oscar's average pass completion rate is 84% according to WhoScored.)

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Oscar isn't the most technically competent midfielder. That's why Fabregas is in the side. Oscar is an absolute work-horse and that's his role in the side.

Very good point. Something a lot of the detractors seem to gloss over is the concept of roles within a football team. The success of great teams comes from 11 men playing their individual roles, and Oscar does his very well as far as I'm concerned.

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