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Jim

Nathan Aké

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On 16/10/2018 at 8:35 AM, manpe said:

Don't see the need for Ake when we have Ampadu and AC waiting behind. It would make some sense if Cahill left and AC lost his patience and left also, but even then I doubt he'd be happy to rot behind Luiz and Rüdiger (FWIW, I like our CB pairing and don't see the need to change it just for the sake of it right now).

Probably Luiz replacement. As Luiz likely walks on a free in summer (we wont give him multi-year contract, a shit tonne of other too clubs will.)

I have other CB's who are actually available whom I rate over Ake

In order

Matthijs de Ligt

Milan Škriniar

Lucas Hernández ( Bayern deal NOT done yet, and he is a top 3 or 4 LB in world too)

Alessio Romagnoli 

Dayot Upamecano

Manuel Akanji

Éder Militão

Jonathan Tah

Nikola Milenkovic

Issa Diop

Thilo Kehrer

Rúben Dias

 

But Aké is HG, and unless it is between him and the ones the ones above starting with Éder Militão and up (as those all are clearly superior to Aké right now) I won't lose my mind. I rate him over AC atm.

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2 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Probably Luiz replacement. As Luiz likely walks on a free in summer (we wont give him multi-year contract, a shit tonne of other too clubs will.)

I have other CB's who are actually available whom I rate over Ake

In order

Matthijs de Ligt

Milan Škriniar

Lucas Hernández ( Bayern deal NOT done yet, and he is a top 3 or 4 LB in world too)

Alessio Romagnoli 

Dayot Upamecano

Manuel Akanji

Éder Militão

Jonathan Tah

Nikola Milenkovic

Issa Diop

Thilo Kehrer

Rúben Dias

 

But Aké is HG, and unless it is between him and the ones the ones above starting with Éder Militão and up (as those all are clearly superior to Aké right now) I won't lose my mind. I rate him over AC atm.

LOL I know the 1st for by heart now

But we are going to have HG issues. And I know how much you liked AC but for some unknown reason hes just not been right.

I dont see Luiz getting a contract tho and IF we did I see him turning a 1 year down and walking like you say.

Our transfers and contract renewals are in a right mess.

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1 hour ago, Unionjack said:

I've always been one for buying a layer who has traiuned his whole professin for one position.Like a knife made for a specific purpose. But Ive become more open to us buying players who are more like Swiss Army knives. One knife that is multi functioned.

But Ake is am out n out CB and I really dont think we would use him as LB

I wonder how Dave wouldd get on back on the left side? And we buy a RB

 

Azpi would not be good at LB, he has played there before, and struggled. Inverted fullbacks usually are bläääääää.

I do, however, adore true multi-position capable players.

Lucas Hernandez, £72m release clause, he us both a top LV (only Alaba is better IMHO) and a top 6, 7, 8 CB in world. Bayern is on the verge of getting him, grrrr. IMHO, we are insane to not be all over him at that price. He is literally 6 times the player Alonso is (triple as better and at TWO positions v La Tortuga's one).

Benjamin Pavard, whom Bayern just bought for only £31m, top 20 CB, top 15 RB. He IS what AC SHOULD be.

Frenkie de Jong, superb MF (any position in MF) and can also play CB, RB, and even LW.

Mbappe and Dembele, both can play either wing, CF if needed, secondary striker, and even have seen them drop back into a number 10 role. Jadon Sancho projects to this too.

Junior Firpo, cracking good LB, but can also play LMF, AMF, and LW, and CB. 

Valentino Lazaro, exact same as Firpo, just on the right. 

Kai Havertz, best young AMF in world, and can also play both wings, CMF, a number 10, and even CF or 2nd striker.

Anthony Martial, CF and LW

Sergi Roberto, top 5 RB, and can play in most MF positions too, as well as CB.

Memphis Depay CF, LW, AMF, 2nd striker

Nicolò Barella, anywhere in MF, also RB or LW in a pinch.

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1 hour ago, Unionjack said:

LOL I know the 1st for by heart now

But we are going to have HG issues. And I know how much you liked AC but for some unknown reason hes just not been right.

I dont see Luiz getting a contract tho and IF we did I see him turning a 1 year down and walking like you say.

Our transfers and contract renewals are in a right mess.

We need to buy a HG 2nd GK, hopefully Gunn. Add in Bulka as 3rd there is 3 HG's.

Here is my ideal 25 man squad. 8 HG's. Feel free to flip Aké for AC. Aké is better atm, although AC has higher upside, just maybe not here.

This assumes Eden, CHO, Luiz etc are gone.

25 man roster, (including 8 HG's, so no issue there)

 

GK Kepa

GK Angus Gunn (HG)

GK Bulka (HG)

 

CB Rudiger

CB Militão (ball playing CB who replaces Luiz)

CB Azpi

CB Ampadu (HG) MF cover as well

CB AC (HG) or Aké (HG)

 

LB Chilwell (HG) I prefer Firpo, but Chilwell is HG, and I think Shitty grab Firpo. Could still do Firpo if we bought Zaha (HG) at winger instead of Suso.

LB Alonso (or Emerson)

 

RB Achraf Hakimi (came as part of the Eden RM deal)

RB Reece James (HG)  plus Azpi as cover

 

DH DMF Jorginho

DH DMF Sandro Tonali (after Paredes leaves to Boca Juniors from loan or buy we do now)

 

CMF Kante

CMF Nicolo Barella (He can play all 3 MF positions, so no pressure on Tonali to stp up instantly when Jorginho cannot play, we buy him and loan him back now)

 

AMF Nabil Fekir

AMF RLC (HG)

 

LW Pulisic (right footed)

LW Lozano (right footed)

 

RW Suso (left footed) I prefer Nicolas Pepe, btw, but just trying to make most realistic deals, and I had us swapping Morata plus £10m to AC Milan for Suso.

RW Malcom (left footed) Came in the Willian deal.

 

CF Piatek 

CF  Jovic

CF Tammy (HG)

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His HG status is massive, if we don't get one of

 

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I am all in

also need to look at the young ones too for future (especially if t-bans hit)

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On 1/29/2019 at 8:02 AM, Vesper said:

His HG status is massive, if we don't get one of

 

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I am all in

also need to look at the young ones too for future (especially if t-bans hit)

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Thought we had given up on KK? And LigtmHernandez,Skriniars gong nowhere anytime soon.

Manuel Akanji just got signed so hes out, Romagnoli would be the dogs but can't see it,  Lenglets just only got signed so hes out.

I'm wondering why Militao is linked with so many top clubs - must have itchy feet - need to go in strong IF we want him.

Upamecamo def one to look into. Very young,strong. Will be wanted very soon. Same wiyh Dias

Diop might be tempted. But Pikeys wont be easy to part with him

So I think we need to look at a level 1 step down.

Ake would be a good buy for us. HG will hoist his price over the top of course.

(And I bet you thought I didnt check out your recs!)

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9 hours ago, Unionjack said:

Thought we had given up on KK? And LigtmHernandez,Skriniars gong nowhere anytime soon.

Manuel Akanji just got signed so hes out, Romagnoli would be the dogs but can't see it,  Lenglets just only got signed so hes out.

I'm wondering why Militao is linked with so many top clubs - must have itchy feet - need to go in strong IF we want him.

Upamecamo def one to look into. Very young,strong. Will be wanted very soon. Same wiyh Dias

Diop might be tempted. But Pikeys wont be easy to part with him

So I think we need to look at a level 1 step down.

Ake would be a good buy for us. HG will hoist his price over the top of course.

(And I bet you thought I didnt check out your recs!)

Hernadez will leave in the summer, Simeone already said he could go in January if his release clause was triggered (Bayern is the main club)

Manuel Akanji was signed a year ago, to a 4 and half year contract, but he is deffo capable of being prised away. He has been injury though.

I just put KK in as he is the best CB in the world, and thsi summer, IF his price was lowered from the insane 135m euros (which the Poison Dwarf will never get) down to £80m, he might be still worth a shot, but he is getting to point where his age matters. If we bought him in the summer, (he turns 28 towards the end of June) we would have 4 full seasons at 28,29,30,31.

After this summer, zero chance I would make a move, as no way he will be the same at 32yo as he has been at 25, 26, 27, and I would want 4 season out of him at full speed. Even 31 is pushing it a bit.

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2 minutes ago, !Hazard! said:

Hiring Mourinho in 2013 is without a doubt the biggest mistake of the Roman era, even bigger than Ancelotti sacking in 2010 just because of the sheer amount of talent the guy got rid of

yep, Mo cunted us up for years

still feeling it

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Top man!! A guy who came through the Chelsea academy scoring the winning goal. Couldn't have asked for a better moment!

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11 minutes ago, Stats said:

Top man!! A guy who came through the Chelsea academy scoring the winning goal. Couldn't have asked for a better moment!

shame, i always tought he would make it here

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Just now, Johnnyeye said:

shame, i always tought he would make it here

Yes, but Mou did not see any potential in him, so Ake had to stop training with the first team and had to go to the reserves again.

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3 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Yes, but Mou did not see any potential in him, so Ake had to stop training with the first team and had to go to the reserves again.

:(

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