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The European Leagues & Competitions Thread V2

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I said a 3-1 Monaco win prior to kickoff and that's how it turned out. No side should even think about succeeding with Kolarov as a CB.

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7 minutes ago, DYC. said:

Scary. I was thinking 3-1 and an Mbappe goal as well. Good for you on the Barca bet, my fellow Chelsea man.

I'm so happy. Monaco is life this season.

Thanks :)

Yeah they are amazing this season! The new Dortmund so to say, everyone's darling in Europe.

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1 hour ago, Blue-in-me-Veins said:

That was an impeccable first half display. 

Take a bow Mbape, Benjamin Mendy, & Bernardo Silva. 

KDB has been complete shite tonight. Man has lost the ball so many times, and been so uninspired in his play. Wow.. what a fucking half of football. 

De Bruyne improved so much in centre midfield. Always did envision him as an #8 at Genk. He's a fantastic #10, but you need to build your team around him in that position. Whether that's a recipe for succes... I doubt it.

1 hour ago, kellzfresh said:

I want 3 players.

Mbappe (PRIORITY!! incredible talent, only 18, makes runs off the ball like costa and has Thierry Henry esque ballcontrol) 

Mendy> Alonso (bcos of speed and better fantastic crosses)

Fabinho >>>Matic in attack (he can provide Matic tackling and better passing, better attacking movement, better at holding the ball under pressure)

I desperately want Fabinho. But as a wingback. A player with his composure out wide would improve Chelsea's midfield play so much. Sound defender as well. And he's of course familiar with that role as a former fullback.

CM has more options to pick from.

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They put the camera on the City fans after the game fuck they haven't half got some old looking fans. I wonder if they will be going to Lourdes tomorrow :P

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Just to remember that years ago people were worried that English clubs would turn UCL into a rich man's FA Cup. Just embarrassing. Another season, and another mediocre UCL season for PL teams.

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Yes yes its bad for english football as whole and city will be more relaxed to focus on league, but we are 10 points ahead and they would never reach semis of CL with such attitude. I dislike Pep and his style, city today played nothing like english team. IMO with these fancy play, neither Arsenal or City wont see top of CL for ages.

Monaco deserved it far more, great generation of young people.

I hope people saw why I prefer Lemar to Silva. Silva is much like a lesser Eden, but Lemar is skilled too, no nonsense, hard worker, runner, makes all the linkup look easier than it is. Silva dwells on ball and dribbles left and right making people go crazy, but Lemar makes a pass or two and Monaco is already in front of goal. Both are wonderful, but since we play alot without the ball, you saw Lemar everywhere in second half, while Silva was almost invisible.

Bakayoko needs to learn how to pass and keep the ball better, but a tidy defender and physical presence.

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7 minutes ago, 11Drogba said:

Let's be honest.

I do support what is best for British football but that is neither what I said on this occasion, nor what I meant.

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Just now, BlueLyon said:

Yes yes its bad for english football as whole and city will be more relaxed to focus on league, but we are 10 points ahead and they would never reach semis of CL with such attitude. I dislike Pep and his style, city today played nothing like english team. IMO with these fancy play, neither Arsenal or City wont see top of CL for ages.

Monaco deserved it far more, great generation of young people.

I hope people saw why I prefer Lemar to Silva. Silva is much like a lesser Eden, but Lemar is skilled too, no nonsense, hard worker, runner, makes all the linkup look easier than it is. Silva dwells on ball and dribbles left and right making people go crazy, but Lemar makes a pass or two and Monaco is already in front of goal. Both are wonderful, but since we play alot without the ball, you saw Lemar everywhere in second half, while Silva was almost invisible.

Bakayoko needs to learn how to pass and keep the ball better, but a tidy defender and physical presence.

But who is the better right winger?We need also creativity in our football and the matches that I saw from Silva this year is that showed me that he had a lots o creativity.How creative is Lemar?

 

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2 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

Yes yes its bad for english football as whole and city will be more relaxed to focus on league, but we are 10 points ahead and they would never reach semis of CL with such attitude. I dislike Pep and his style, city today played nothing like english team. IMO with these fancy play, neither Arsenal or City wont see top of CL for ages.

Monaco deserved it far more, great generation of young people.

I hope people saw why I prefer Lemar to Silva. Silva is much like a lesser Eden, but Lemar is skilled too, no nonsense, hard worker, runner, makes all the linkup look easier than it is. Silva dwells on ball and dribbles left and right making people go crazy, but Lemar makes a pass or two and Monaco is already in front of goal. Both are wonderful, but since we play alot without the ball, you saw Lemar everywhere in second half, while Silva was almost invisible.

Bakayoko needs to learn how to pass and keep the ball better, but a tidy defender and physical presence.

Lemar is not a forward for me. Very much a midfielder. But a much lesser player on the right.

Left midfield in a flat midfield four suits him perfectly but he could possibly adapt to a LWB position as an offensive wingback. But then again, Hazard and Lemar on the same flank is most likely too vulnerable defensively.

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Glad City went out because I can't stand the arrogant Guardiola but I'd rather them have gone just a bit further so they're distracted in the PL and have major fixture congestion. Now they'll be in the same situation we are and can focus almost entirely on the league.

They have an extremely tough schedule coming up starting with Liverpool this weekend. If Liverpool beat them and we beat Stoke I think we can rule them out completely as a threat to us. Stoke away may be one of our toughest tests of the season, though.

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6 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

I do support what is best for British football but that is neither what I said on this occasion, nor what I meant.

That's ok. I got you.

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1 minute ago, killer1257 said:

But who is the better right winger?We need also creativity in our football and the matches that I saw from Silva this year is that showed me that he had a lots o creativity.How creative is Lemar?

 

Depends how you look creativity. If you talk about dictating play or simply creating chances, Bernardo is the first, both are equaly good at second.

I watch lot of Monaco games this season after seeing how much they score, but both are fantastic. Lemar is more direct, more versatile, stronger, can run more, better of the ball. Silva is quicker, better dribbler, better playmaker. Both are equal in end product. 

We already have our Silva in Eden. But Lemar would add something else, very direct approach. He gets the ball and makes the most of it. His off the ball work is something else tho. 

Dont think Lamar is not creative. Its just different type. Like comparing Iniesta to Lampard. Silva being first and Lamar second. And I think Lemar would do fine on either wing, since he is left footed.

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5 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Glad City went out because I can't stand the arrogant Guardiola but I'd rather them have gone just a bit further so they're distracted in the PL and have major fixture congestion. Now they'll be in the same situation we are and can focus almost entirely on the league.

They have an extremely tough schedule coming up starting with Liverpool this weekend. If Liverpool beat them and we beat Stoke I think we can rule them out completely as a threat to us. Stoke away may be one of our toughest tests of the season, though.

How is Guardiola arrogant? He always says the players he managed, and not himself, are responsible for his succes. He also said Messi's greatness was the reason for his legendary achievements at Barcelona. He's never bought into the 'Pep Mania' created by those around him and the media, and always praises other managers.

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1 minute ago, DYC. said:

Lemar is not a forward for me. Very much a midfielder. But a much lesser player on the right.

Left midfield in a flat midfield four suits him perfectly but he could possibly adapt to a LWB position as an offensive wingback. But then again, Hazard and Lemar on the same flank is most likely too vulnerable defensively.

I'd risk it tbh. They'd be a nightmare to defend against and they'd compliment eachother quite well.

Plus there don't really seem to be any well rounded wingback options for us to go after so i think our best bet would be to look at attacking players like a Lemar and try and mould them into a wingback. 

 

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6 minutes ago, DYC. said:

How is Guardiola arrogant? He always says the players he managed, and not himself, are responsible for his succes. He also said Messi's greatness was the reason for his legendary achievements at Barcelona. He's never bought into the 'Pep Mania' created by those around him and the media, and always praises other managers.

Have you seen a single one of his press conferences or pre/post match interviews this season? He's an arrogant twat. He seems personally insulted when asked questions a lot of the time as if he's Einstein speaking to a child.

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Pep Guardiola cost them big time today. But unlike the first leg, his in-game adjustments didn't make up for the early mistakes. 

Moving KDB centrally was a masterstoke in the second half, but how the fuck Jardim didn't switch to a 433 or instruct Mbape/Germain to sit off and only press KDB once he crossed mid-field was shocking. Too many times Bakayoko was rushing out to help close KDB, and he'd simply play one pass to Sane or Sterling and suddenly City are on a 4v4 creating shot after shot. Jardim reacted very poorly to this, or he could have told Mbape to play the role Moutinho had once he was introduced and drop into CM. 

Anyways, Monaco proved me wrong tonight. Had a feeling City would score enough tonight, and they almost did. But again, think this falls on Guardiola, for fucking up that first half so badly. If he makes that adjustment, even after the first goal, City are through. 

What an exciting UCL campaign this has been. 

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Just now, Pizy said:

Have you seen a single one of his press conferences or pre/post match interviews this season? He's an arrogant twat. He seems personally insulted when asked questions a lot of the time as if he's Einstein speaking to a child.

So he's not a nice man and often stressed out. Difference between a twat and a narcissist. But I understand your issue with him.

4 minutes ago, Belgiannutt said:

I'd risk it tbh. They'd be a nightmare to defend against and they'd compliment eachother quite well.

Plus there don't really seem to be any well rounded wingback options for us to go after so i think our best bet would be to look at attacking players like a Lemar and try and mould them into a wingback. 

 

Maybe too big a risk as you'd also lose a lot of height and power. He's 5'7 and 58 kg.

He's no Alex Sandro or Filipe Luis but I'm fine with Alonso. When he signed I thought he was decent and I still think he's decent. But he's consistently decent. Rarely has a bad game. Least of Chelsea's problems.

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8 hours ago, BlueStorm1003 said:

I wanted Monaco to get through, but I can see why you would rather see city do well.

How does exactly a nation's teams progress affect the amount of teams we can get into the UCL?

I know that if a country does bad, it can lose a spot, but I don't know exactly how it works. What sort of progress should we want from other English clubs to benefit ourselves from it?

Clubs collect coefficient points based on their performances in Europe's two completions. More points are available to be gained in the CL than in the EL but a good run in the EL will earn more points than an early departure from the CL.

These points are aggregated for each country and a table is produced based on points accumulated over the five most recent seasons. The top three nations in this table are awarded a fourth CL entrant. Before this round of matches Spain led, by a mile, Germany were second and we were third though only three points ahead of Italy. The points gained gained by United if they progress, and especially by Leicester, are vital.

Previously the allocation of CL places was made annually. So if a nation fell out of the top three it could at least hope to recover its place during the following season. From now on however, the assessment will be made once every three seasons. This means if we lose our fourth Champions League place, it will be gone for at least three years. Worse, with only three clubs competing in the CL, that means only three lots of CL points which can be added to the total instead of four, and remember more points are gained per round in the CL than in the EL. Over the course of three years we will have nine chances to collect Champions League points while the top three nations will have 12. So to overtake them we would have to score more points than they do despite having 3 fewer CL attempts than they will.

What is more, in another change, the fourth entrant from the top three countries will no longer need to qualify for the group stages.  Instead they will automatically enter the tournament in the last 32. No chance of a team failing to qualify for the group stage, as Everton once did, and missing out on the group stage coefficient points. From now on, once you fall out of the top three it'll be harder to get back in.  The scramble for the top four in the Premier League, will become the scramble of the top three.

It's not only that however. Fewer games for city helps them be competitive in the league and The Cup. I would have loved to see them distracted by Europe, while we ran away with the two domestic trophies. Unfortunately that hope bit the dust tonight.

Nor is it only those two things. Defeat for Monaco would have made it more likely that their players would be ready to move on this summer and that would increase our chances of getting some of the talented footballers we are all raving about. The further Monaco progress this season the more likely the stars are to consider it worth sticking with their current "project". This last bit isn't an exact science and the money offered by Europe's bigger clubs would obviously be a factor but whichever way you cut it, elimination in the last 16, gives players less reason to stay optimistic and continue in the south of France.

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Congrats Monaco, deserved winners today and deserved to go through in the end, that City win in the first leg was mostly because Monaco were very tired after battering City and it almost cost them dearly when City turned it around in the first leg, but in the end Monaco showed everyone they mean business, PSG take note. Cheers

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